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Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
September 06 2010 00:27 GMT
#401
he deserved the ban, but the admins should have been more reasonable and willing to listen to his argument
out4blood
Profile Joined July 2010
United States313 Posts
September 06 2010 00:32 GMT
#402
I watched the event and both the players were complaining of lag. I can sympathize with the players, lag is a serious issue particularly at high levels of play where micro timing is critical to some strategies.

This isn't Broodwar where you can play LAN and get no lag. You have to use Bnet. Serious tournaments should have only the minimum required observers. The rest can watch a stream or VODs.
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Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
September 06 2010 00:33 GMT
#403
On September 06 2010 09:06 cyprin wrote:
Why aren't more tournaments cast from replays?
It's kind of silly to cause players to lag just because you want viewers.


The community feels more involved if it's able to watch the games live than having to wait for it to finish to watch the replays. It also strengthens the community as we watch the games together as one. Live games generate money and interest. Replays only would hurt that.
New rules have to be implemented to prevent the lag from being a problem in the future.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
September 06 2010 00:41 GMT
#404
Having to play with lag is a joke. The integrity of the match should mean more than a caster getting into the game imo. I wouldnt have someone telling me I have to wait for them to join just so they could lag my game while admins did nothing.
Mutarisk
Profile Joined July 2010
United States153 Posts
September 06 2010 00:56 GMT
#405
Why don't professional Starcraft 2 players form a union? Is there already one?
rally_point
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada458 Posts
September 06 2010 00:58 GMT
#406
I'm glad you stood up for the players', Morrow

It was a fairly extreme act on your behalf, but it was also very inconsiderate of the organization to impose lag on your games. Hopefully this type of conflict won't be an issue in the future
Innsmouth-Zerg
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria137 Posts
September 06 2010 01:00 GMT
#407
On September 06 2010 01:29 underscore wrote:
Morrow is just jealous that TaKe has his own Fanthread on TL and he doesn't.


TaKe has his own fan thread? Wow.....well i guess fly's find there way in every message board :x
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uzrOne
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden10 Posts
September 06 2010 01:01 GMT
#408
It should really be up to the players wheter or not there should be streamers, this is some retarded shit..
Hell.. it's 'bout time.
SuperXlax
Profile Joined March 2010
United States197 Posts
September 06 2010 01:01 GMT
#409
On September 06 2010 10:00 Innsmouth-Zerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 01:29 underscore wrote:
Morrow is just jealous that TaKe has his own Fanthread on TL and he doesn't.


TaKe has his own fan thread? Wow.....well i guess fly's find there way in every message board :x

TaKe is a baller, decides to not talk about balance and doesn't afraid of anything.
zor.au
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia270 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-06 01:15:17
September 06 2010 01:04 GMT
#410
On September 06 2010 00:47 m3rciless wrote:
i guess he doesnt want people to see his strats. Still, hes usually so manner.


Pretty sure everyone knows he goes reaper :p
wow
vileChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada525 Posts
September 06 2010 01:14 GMT
#411
I'm siding with Morrow on this one... Now most of you probably make the relation of pro egamers and real super stars but you got to understand that these casters are actually effecting the gameplay on various levels. That and they are all amateurs wanting to make a buck, they really need to start coordinating a union or regulations
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demonik187
Profile Joined August 2010
United States575 Posts
September 06 2010 01:33 GMT
#412
I don't blame Morrow. If someone was laggin my game, I wouldn't let them back in either. Especially for a tournament. Honestly, he should never of even had to start without dude. That guy should have been courteous enough to tell Morrow to go on without him, if he knew he was lagging. Also, BigT you're a dick for postin that ss. Were you just tryin to get someone in trouble, or tryin to look cool that you talk to morrow? Pretty sure he's got your backstabbin ass on ignore now. That's some fucked up shit to do man. You're like that little girl that runs and tattles on everyone.
We march to victory!
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
September 06 2010 01:36 GMT
#413
Shitty amateur streamers should have little to no rights versus the players that have actually invested significant time into gaming and are amazing at what they do. Morrow shouldn't cop any flak from this.
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
September 06 2010 01:38 GMT
#414
On September 06 2010 10:36 Scarecrow wrote:
Shitty amateur streamers should have little to no rights versus the players that have actually invested significant time into gaming and are amazing at what they do. Morrow shouldn't cop any flak from this.


And of those of us who do this professionally for a living? Or are you simply lumping all casters into the same pot for the sake of convenience here?
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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
September 06 2010 01:46 GMT
#415
why are there 14 casters...
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Anfere
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada231 Posts
September 06 2010 02:32 GMT
#416
Yep ban a player for you'r own stupidity and incompetence. The players couldn't play with 14 fucking streamers, who in the world would play with 14 spectators in a game in semi finals or finals of a tournament ?

I watched the games, and dimaga lost purely to the streamers not to morrow. He just couldn't play and suicided his hole army during a freeze where no one could control his troupes.

EPS had a very bad organisation, and the streamers/spectators didn't have any kind of respect for the players as they were lagging and slowing the game but none of them decided to leave to let the players play in better conditions.

What Morrow did is understandable, since the admins of the League didn't react to this shitty situation and weren't doing much to improve the players conditions, he just decided to play without 14 casters slowing the game.

Next time, instead of banning a player, try taking responsibility for you'r own mistakes, and fix the issues before it come to players taking a stand and going against the rules because the admins are sleeping, or happy to stack a game with all their streamer friends to look gosu.

Immortal or no Immortal, that is the question ! Someone give me a hamlet skull !
Guplup
Profile Joined August 2010
United States11 Posts
September 06 2010 02:37 GMT
#417
Put yourself in Morrows shoes. He is a respectable player, and knows he beat diamaga unfairly due to lag caused by spectators. He, as most would agree, understood that the ESLs rules on allowing every spectator in is poorly thought out.
I belieave he didn't allow TaKe in to send out a message. If he denies a few randoms, who cares. He denied TaKe so people would take notice and listen. And it worked. ESL is changing up thier spectator rules.

+1 for morrow. He wanted to make a point, and hell it worked.
zealotz55
Profile Joined May 2010
United States229 Posts
September 06 2010 02:39 GMT
#418
On September 06 2010 00:47 m3rciless wrote:
i guess he doesnt want people to see his strats. Still, hes usually so manner.


It has nothing to do with ppl seeing his strats, the replay will always be uploaded later for anyone in the world to see if they want.

It can also be cast by anyone as well.

having 12 extra people in a game can create a lot of excess lag. If a player decides he doesnt want to play with lag it should be respected.

I would do the exact same thing, try to play at a professional level with lag caused by people who arent even playing without getting pissed off.
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deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
September 06 2010 02:46 GMT
#419
On September 06 2010 10:01 uzrOne wrote:
It should really be up to the players wheter or not there should be streamers, this is some retarded shit..

I disagree, without spectators and fans the tourney wouldn't even be running.

However, I think if lag is a problem they should reduce it to just the 'official' streamers and others can find a different game. Also I think if there is lag even the official streamers should man up and make the call to cover a different game because no one is going to enjoy watching a laggy game anyway.
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TheDna
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany577 Posts
September 06 2010 02:55 GMT
#420
Very bad move by Morrow. The ban for should be way longer so he would actually learn his lesson there. Big diva move that should be punished hard. 2 wins(2weeks = 2games) at eps is prolly like 100bucks, he just won a big tournament and wont care alot.

He was told that the rules would be changed next week.. He still goes ahead and decides to be a diva about it and insta starts a final game. There was no reason for that behavior whatsoever.
I think alot of ppl will change their opinion about morrow, he already came across quite arrogant in some of the early beta interviews and just confirmed my initial thoughts about him.
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