On September 06 2010 06:34 Blackhawk13 wrote:
they were right to ban him for starting without observers but 14 observers/casters is pretty ridiculous.. should be 5ish tops imo

To be honest, if he doesn't want obs, I think they should grant him no obs. Especially after what went down the game before with 14 obs.

HalfAmazing

Netherlands402 Posts

September 05 2010 21:39 GMT

#363

In all seriousness, 99% of casters/admins/etc are powertripping bronze leaguers with ego issues. I don't blame MorroW at all.

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

September 05 2010 21:40 GMT

#364

Seriously, what does 14 casters even do? If people were going to watch the cup, they'd watch it anyway. Just have one decent caster duo and you'll get the same amount of viewers. The great majority of the SC2 casters are horrendous with either terrible voices or zero game knowledge, anyway.

EDIT: Agree with the post above mine completely. Even right now there's like 500 different streams open and only iccup.tv is listenable

REDBLUEGREEN

Germany1903 Posts

September 05 2010 21:40 GMT

#365

I think part of the problem is that obs have become so fucking BM. If someone said "Person A you lag out please" in broodwar they left in most cases now in SC2 those fuckers just stay in the game disrespecting the players.

Klive5ive

United Kingdom6056 Posts

September 05 2010 21:42 GMT

#366

On September 06 2010 06:39 HalfAmazing wrote:
In all seriousness, 99% of casters/admins/etc are powertripping bronze leaguers with ego issues. I don't blame MorroW at all.

I was gonna right something like this.

Why the hell are we letting moronic casters ruin the scene and interfere with the gaming?

There's no way in hell you need 14 people in a game.

Prizil

Canada9 Posts

September 05 2010 21:44 GMT

#367

Even ignoring lag shouldn't players be able to say no to any casters not running a delay. Or am I the only one who finds it weird they force players to have their games streamed live during tourneys. I mean who doesn't have dual monitors nowadays.

BigT

United States304 Posts

September 05 2010 21:52 GMT

#368

From a first persons perspective, in Morrow's defense, the games were actually very laggy due to the amount of streamers in the game. However, that didn't give Morrow the right to break the tournament rules and start the game without the other casters. He got what he deserved... a ban for a week. But he also got ESL to change the rules, so like Morrow said, the air is now clear. I will look forward to casting him and the go4sc2 cup again next week!

HaGuN

United States154 Posts

September 05 2010 21:56 GMT

#369

Players bashing casters, casters defending ESL saying he broke the rules,morrow saying screw the rules i have money(not rly), and this thread is screwing the rules' justification. and now rule change. all in all good thread.

Excalibur

United States58 Posts

September 05 2010 21:57 GMT

#370

Saw the title and was about to rage. Luckily I read before posting.

MorroW is definitely one of my favorites, and I'm glad to see this was a minor issue that's already on its way to being resolved.

AppleTart

United States1261 Posts

September 05 2010 21:58 GMT

#371

On September 06 2010 06:37 Roffles wrote:

Show nested quote +

To be honest, if he doesn't want obs, I think they should grant him no obs. Especially after what went down the game before with 14 obs.

Then all players could request no obs and then they would never be able to stream anything

acie

United States247 Posts

September 05 2010 22:02 GMT

#372

blizzard certainly did not set up bnet 2.0 to be conducive to e-sports, but they did set up the replay system really well so it's pretty much like being an obs, esl should at least have a backup plan to cast replays and take into consideration sometimes players have lag problems

Defeat

United States476 Posts

September 05 2010 22:05 GMT

#373

On September 06 2010 01:03 GobIin wrote:
Some peoople were lagging up the games, so morrow raged and refused to not let any obs in. I don't blame him, its very frustrating to him

This. Glad they changed their policy about obs now so they lag will be kept to a minimum now.

Gentso

United States2218 Posts

September 05 2010 22:07 GMT

#374

14 casters? Why? There's so many bad casters out there it's unbelievable. I don't support letting terrible casters have the opportunity to cast a pro game.. ever!

FlamingTurd

United States1059 Posts

September 05 2010 22:10 GMT

#375

Good, at least players know wut can happen now.

NeoOmega

United States495 Posts

September 05 2010 22:11 GMT

#376

If there are 14 casters they better be casting in at least 7 different languages, that is a little ridiculous.

grax

United States41 Posts

September 05 2010 22:13 GMT

#377

Wow, really pathetic and insecure of EPS Nordic to ban Morrow for their own mistake.

gondolin

France332 Posts

September 05 2010 22:19 GMT

#378

All in all this is ultimately blizzard's fault. I still don't understand why they haven't implemented a similar system as the one described in my post here.

Kurr

Canada2338 Posts

September 05 2010 22:20 GMT

#379

On September 06 2010 07:07 Gentso wrote:
14 casters? Why? There's so many bad casters out there it's unbelievable. I don't support letting terrible casters have the opportunity to cast a pro game.. ever!

100% agree. How I've grown to appreciate ICCup.TV, especially since release after they stopped playing bad music during their casts and a few select people which made the casts 1000% worse don't cast for them anymore (or I'm just lucky and haven't heard them for a long time).

I don't understand the appeal of having someone with limited knowledge of the game and little casting experience doing these events. They should practice on YouTube with replays first. I'm not saying we shouldn't give them a chance but it shouldn't be during events like these.

Mids

Sweden19 Posts

September 05 2010 22:23 GMT

#380

since there are so many streamers, cant ESL asign streamers to certain games/players, in that way theres way more coverage and less people in every game.