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qoiN
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden576 Posts
September 05 2010 19:12 GMT
#321
On September 06 2010 04:08 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 04:07 qoiN wrote:
I think it brought out my point fairly well.


Well as long as you think that, I guess that's what is important?


Being an ass is just as important as well I guess, /shoo.
Cranberries
Profile Joined July 2010
Wales567 Posts
September 05 2010 19:12 GMT
#322
On September 06 2010 04:10 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 04:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On September 06 2010 04:02 Kennigit wrote:
Eventually people will realize that live streams of games is so open to abuse and is a bad idea.


People realised this as soon as beta started but nobody offered up an actual solution to it beyond casting replays, which assumes you can even get them to begin with.


True. Getting replays out of top players is a horrible experience and often you will not get the replays without a threat of DQ.


Day9's KotB experience of 8 players and his horror stories that followed don't help to falsify this.
KiF1rE
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States964 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-05 19:13:26
September 05 2010 19:12 GMT
#323
On September 06 2010 04:10 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 04:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On September 06 2010 04:02 Kennigit wrote:
Eventually people will realize that live streams of games is so open to abuse and is a bad idea.


People realised this as soon as beta started but nobody offered up an actual solution to it beyond casting replays, which assumes you can even get them to begin with.


True. Getting replays out of top players is a horrible experience and often you will not get the replays without a threat of DQ.


sadly that could be fixed by requiring to upload replays to the match site, or the system doesnt allow the player that doesnt upload to get a win lol...
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
September 05 2010 19:13 GMT
#324
On September 06 2010 04:08 Usul wrote:
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On September 06 2010 04:06 Telcontar wrote:
well i think the issue is all cleared up between both parties. ESL had a faulty rule and a player eventually got fed up and acted out unprofessionally and immaturely. He got punished accordingly and they in turn changed the rules. to an outsider it may seem a little harsh on morrow but as an organisation, you have to take action or you will be setting a bad precedent.

still, i cannot help think that maybe banning him from the next 3 events is a tad too severe since this will cripple his chances of making the next month's finals.


Did anyone read this?

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On September 06 2010 03:27 Shawngood wrote:
Since the same argument is being brought up here constantly: We actually changed our streaming policy since Wednesday's disaster and now only "verified" casters will be allowed in the games in the quarter finals and all the later stages. In the currently running cup we have 2-3 casters and no observers besides one admin in the matches and as far as I can tell there were no lag issues so far.

It is actually in our interest to only have a selected few casters so that we can promote their streams on our website better and have a better run tournament overall. The rule of "anyone is welcome to stream" was introduced in beta when we were eager to have as much exposure as possible. There won't be 14 streamers or whatever ridiculous number is thrown aorund here again in a Go4SC2 match.

Regarding MorroW's ban: Since we didn't announce any ban for MorroW on our website so far please take any info Rakaka or other community websites release with a grain of salt. Yes, one of our admins did talk to MorroW after the cup and we didn't let him play in today's cup but I'm sure we will find a better solution to this issue as well since it's obvious that his behaviour was caused by our organization.




right he is sure they will find a better solution but as far as we know, morrow is still banned from the next 3 events. until we get confirmation saying otherwise, that is the status quo.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
September 05 2010 19:13 GMT
#325
On September 06 2010 04:12 Cranberries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 04:10 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On September 06 2010 04:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On September 06 2010 04:02 Kennigit wrote:
Eventually people will realize that live streams of games is so open to abuse and is a bad idea.


People realised this as soon as beta started but nobody offered up an actual solution to it beyond casting replays, which assumes you can even get them to begin with.


True. Getting replays out of top players is a horrible experience and often you will not get the replays without a threat of DQ.


Day9's KotB experience of 8 players and his horror stories that followed don't help to falsify this.


Yep. That was just with 8 people. I had to hunt down people left and right for the ITL Grand Prix replays. Only KawaiiRice sent replays without being asked 400 times.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
September 05 2010 19:15 GMT
#326
Why is there 14 casters? Should be one or two that redistributed.
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
September 05 2010 19:17 GMT
#327
On September 06 2010 04:12 qoiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 04:08 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On September 06 2010 04:07 qoiN wrote:
I think it brought out my point fairly well.


Well as long as you think that, I guess that's what is important?


Being an ass is just as important as well I guess, /shoo.


Well that would be a first on TL, being called an ass.

This entire thread has demonstrated that the majority of community members posting in it are much more interested in rabble-rousing and tossing vitriol at various groups and individuals than providing any realistic solutions. Sadly, that's a reflection of the internet in general, but certain elements of TL didn't used to be quite so vile during the beta. Such a shame.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
taintmachine
Profile Joined May 2010
United States431 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-05 19:24:17
September 05 2010 19:18 GMT
#328
if the 14 casters number isn't a huge exagerration - that's insane. why do we need 14 casters in one game when we know how much lag can be created by observers? add in the fact that they are using streaming software; the goal should be to have good games w/ adequate spectation. 14 casters is serious overkill. the tournament admins need to grow a pair and start forcing casters to compete or make deals for slots as long as this remains a problem.

for example, casters could take turns casting games if they are causing problems. if the games are bigs, like the finals or semi-finals, take turns casting finals and have the whole deal arbitrated by someone. or flip coins. or pick official casters. whatever.
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
September 05 2010 19:20 GMT
#329
This is stupid. The ESL shouldn't be letting 14 observers in a game. They shouldnt even let 14 10+random streamers stream their matches. If you want to watch the ESL matches, watch the ESL stream. When they let these people do their own streams they arent supporting ESL they are supporting one streamer. Doesnt make any sense to me.

You want people to support ESL, make sure they are the only ones casting.

And the rule should be: at first sign of slowing down the game, the observer will be kicked.

Remember the match is more important than the cast. Without the match their can be no cast anyways. You shouldn't ruin matches so Bob can try to get e-famous by casting your tournament. (Bob is not a known caster or a reference to any casters, it just a name filler for the examples sake)
WarChimp
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia943 Posts
September 05 2010 19:20 GMT
#330
I don't want to sound like a dick or anything but why is this argument still going? Mostly all points have been covered, we understand that what MorroW did was wrong. We understand that the random casters were being dicks and should not have been there if they lag. We have even got confirmation from MorroW, Telcontar and Shawngood about the situation. The only thing we don't know is if MorroW has been banned from the next 3 go4sc2 cups.

So, why does this discussion continue.

Sorry for sounding like a dick.
Usul
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany150 Posts
September 05 2010 19:23 GMT
#331
Yes, people really need to read the thread before posting the same arguments again and again and again and again and...
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
September 05 2010 19:24 GMT
#332
On September 06 2010 04:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 04:12 qoiN wrote:
On September 06 2010 04:08 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On September 06 2010 04:07 qoiN wrote:
I think it brought out my point fairly well.


Well as long as you think that, I guess that's what is important?


Being an ass is just as important as well I guess, /shoo.


Well that would be a first on TL, being called an ass.

This entire thread has demonstrated that the majority of community members posting in it are much more interested in rabble-rousing and tossing vitriol at various groups and individuals than providing any realistic solutions. Sadly, that's a reflection of the internet in general, but certain elements of TL didn't used to be quite so vile during the beta. Such a shame.

I wouldn't judge the majority of TL based on this thread. That's a bit drastic, some topics simply attract a.. vocal minority.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
September 05 2010 19:26 GMT
#333
On September 06 2010 04:18 taintmachine wrote:
if the 14 casters number isn't a huge exagerration - that's insane. why do we need 14 casters in one game when we know how much lag can be created by observers? add in the fact that they are using streaming software; the goal should be to have good games w/ adequate spectation. 14 casters is serious overkill. the tournament admins need to grow a pair and start forcing casters to compete or make deals for slots as long as this remains a problem.


the problem of course could've been prevented had the admins realised the absurdity of the situation and taken action when morrow repeatedly told them of it. that of course doesnt justify morrow taking matters into his own hands so the fault lies with both parties.

its the time-old tale of common sense vs faulty rule.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
September 05 2010 19:27 GMT
#334
Dont forget that Morrow is very young, 18 right? Its not uncommon to do silly stuff at that age. Players that young shouldnt get bashed when they make some minor fuck-ups.
Rokk
Profile Joined March 2010
United States425 Posts
September 05 2010 19:35 GMT
#335
On September 06 2010 04:07 qoiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 04:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On September 06 2010 03:59 qoiN wrote:
On September 06 2010 03:56 Rokk wrote:
Morrow broke the rules and should be punished for it. A player disregarding the official caster of the tournament and rushing to start the game with a caster of his choice shows a huge lack of respect to the organization running the tournament. Since he broke the rules, he should be punished for it.

That said, allowing 14 casters into every game is beyond stupid. The ESL needs to work with its players to give the best viewing experience possible with minimal intrusion on the competitor's playing the game. But this needs to be addressed through the proper channels, not in a fit of rage mid-tournament.


Blabla "broke the rules and should be punished for it". So if someone had to exceed the speed limit due to an ambulance being behind it and there were no other lanes, the driver should be punished with a fine because he might have saved someones life. Yeah, right.


This is a fairly poor analogy overall.


I think it brought out my point fairly well.


If your point was to compare playing in a laggy video game for a few hundred dollars to someone potentially dying, then I guess you did. Some comparisons just aren't worth making.
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
September 05 2010 19:36 GMT
#336
I have no idea why this is being discussed to 17 pages...
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
lossofmercy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States29 Posts
September 05 2010 19:36 GMT
#337
Jesus christ, people should stop being stupid about breaking rules. Breaking a rule doesn't make him stupid.
FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
September 05 2010 19:37 GMT
#338
On September 06 2010 04:12 Cranberries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 04:10 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On September 06 2010 04:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On September 06 2010 04:02 Kennigit wrote:
Eventually people will realize that live streams of games is so open to abuse and is a bad idea.


People realised this as soon as beta started but nobody offered up an actual solution to it beyond casting replays, which assumes you can even get them to begin with.


True. Getting replays out of top players is a horrible experience and often you will not get the replays without a threat of DQ.


Day9's KotB experience of 8 players and his horror stories that followed don't help to falsify this.


What horror stories? Somehow I must have missed that. Can anyone elaborate (or link)?
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-05 19:39:14
September 05 2010 19:38 GMT
#339
On September 06 2010 04:37 FrogOfWar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 04:12 Cranberries wrote:
On September 06 2010 04:10 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On September 06 2010 04:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On September 06 2010 04:02 Kennigit wrote:
Eventually people will realize that live streams of games is so open to abuse and is a bad idea.


People realised this as soon as beta started but nobody offered up an actual solution to it beyond casting replays, which assumes you can even get them to begin with.


True. Getting replays out of top players is a horrible experience and often you will not get the replays without a threat of DQ.


Day9's KotB experience of 8 players and his horror stories that followed don't help to falsify this.


What horror stories? Somehow I must have missed that. Can anyone elaborate (or link)?

Check daily 165 and he describes it in pretty good detail. It was essentially troubles with players not sending replays, losing replays etcetc. It's a wonder the tournament worked out in the end.
WhiteRa lost some replay because he threw his computer in a swimming pool IIRC?
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
September 05 2010 19:43 GMT
#340
On September 06 2010 04:38 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 04:37 FrogOfWar wrote:
On September 06 2010 04:12 Cranberries wrote:
On September 06 2010 04:10 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On September 06 2010 04:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On September 06 2010 04:02 Kennigit wrote:
Eventually people will realize that live streams of games is so open to abuse and is a bad idea.


People realised this as soon as beta started but nobody offered up an actual solution to it beyond casting replays, which assumes you can even get them to begin with.


True. Getting replays out of top players is a horrible experience and often you will not get the replays without a threat of DQ.


Day9's KotB experience of 8 players and his horror stories that followed don't help to falsify this.


What horror stories? Somehow I must have missed that. Can anyone elaborate (or link)?

Check daily 165 and he describes it in pretty good detail. It was essentially troubles with players not sending replays, losing replays etcetc. It's a wonder the tournament worked out in the end.
WhiteRa lost some replay because he threw his computer in a swimming pool IIRC?


Yeah you remember correctly, I lol'd so hard.

Seriously it took an average of asking 4 times to get every non-KawaiiRice replay for the ITL Grand Prix, and some only arrived minutes before they were cast. Some players never actually sent them, but I got them from the other player.

Seriously it's a widespread and rampant problem.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
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