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fantomex
Profile Joined June 2009
United States313 Posts
September 05 2010 18:53 GMT
#301
Whats sad is that Blizzard should have solved this from a technical standpoint. The game shoudn't lag due to a spectator can't catch up. The should just be dropped.
Replay or GTFO
f0rk
Profile Joined March 2010
England172 Posts
September 05 2010 18:54 GMT
#302
I'm no networking wizard, but surely there is something Blizzard could do with how observers work so they have no affect on the players? This is going to be a constant issue with no real solution until Blizzard does something about it.
A hltv equivalent would be amazing, but it's probably not going to happen with all the other missing features.
Rokk
Profile Joined March 2010
United States425 Posts
September 05 2010 18:56 GMT
#303
Morrow broke the rules and should be punished for it. A player disregarding the official caster of the tournament and rushing to start the game with a caster of his choice shows a huge lack of respect to the organization running the tournament. Since he broke the rules, he should be punished for it.

That said, allowing 14 casters into every game is beyond stupid. The ESL needs to work with its players to give the best viewing experience possible with minimal intrusion on the competitor's playing the game. But this needs to be addressed through the proper channels, not in a fit of rage mid-tournament.
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
September 05 2010 18:57 GMT
#304
On September 06 2010 03:49 Cajun2k1 wrote:
I hope this 'incident' will lead to a better gaming environment, tournament organizers have to seriously think about the triangle of progamers - casters - organization, all three have stakes in a lagfree game.

And all 3 should be moaning at Blizzard as much as possible. No reason they can't allow infinite obs who are ignored by the server if they lag. Seeing "waiting for player x" when they're an OBSERVER is really ridiculous.
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
September 05 2010 18:58 GMT
#305
On September 06 2010 03:57 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 03:49 Cajun2k1 wrote:
I hope this 'incident' will lead to a better gaming environment, tournament organizers have to seriously think about the triangle of progamers - casters - organization, all three have stakes in a lagfree game.

And all 3 should be moaning at Blizzard as much as possible. No reason they can't allow infinite obs who are ignored by the server if they lag. Seeing "waiting for player x" when they're an OBSERVER is really ridiculous.


No kidding, blizzard needs to fix this bigtime.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
qoiN
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden576 Posts
September 05 2010 18:59 GMT
#306
On September 06 2010 03:56 Rokk wrote:
Morrow broke the rules and should be punished for it. A player disregarding the official caster of the tournament and rushing to start the game with a caster of his choice shows a huge lack of respect to the organization running the tournament. Since he broke the rules, he should be punished for it.

That said, allowing 14 casters into every game is beyond stupid. The ESL needs to work with its players to give the best viewing experience possible with minimal intrusion on the competitor's playing the game. But this needs to be addressed through the proper channels, not in a fit of rage mid-tournament.


Blabla "broke the rules and should be punished for it". So if someone had to exceed the speed limit due to an ambulance being behind it and there were no other lanes, the driver should be punished with a fine because he might have saved someones life. Yeah, right.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
September 05 2010 19:00 GMT
#307
On September 06 2010 03:59 qoiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 03:56 Rokk wrote:
Morrow broke the rules and should be punished for it. A player disregarding the official caster of the tournament and rushing to start the game with a caster of his choice shows a huge lack of respect to the organization running the tournament. Since he broke the rules, he should be punished for it.

That said, allowing 14 casters into every game is beyond stupid. The ESL needs to work with its players to give the best viewing experience possible with minimal intrusion on the competitor's playing the game. But this needs to be addressed through the proper channels, not in a fit of rage mid-tournament.


Blabla "broke the rules and should be punished for it". So if someone had to exceed the speed limit due to an ambulance being behind it and there were no other lanes, the driver should be punished with a fine because he might have saved someones life. Yeah, right.


This is a fairly poor analogy overall.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Usul
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany150 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-05 19:02:16
September 05 2010 19:01 GMT
#308
On September 06 2010 03:59 qoiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 03:56 Rokk wrote:
Morrow broke the rules and should be punished for it. A player disregarding the official caster of the tournament and rushing to start the game with a caster of his choice shows a huge lack of respect to the organization running the tournament. Since he broke the rules, he should be punished for it.

That said, allowing 14 casters into every game is beyond stupid. The ESL needs to work with its players to give the best viewing experience possible with minimal intrusion on the competitor's playing the game. But this needs to be addressed through the proper channels, not in a fit of rage mid-tournament.


Blabla "broke the rules and should be punished for it". So if someone had to exceed the speed limit due to an ambulance being behind it and there were no other lanes, the driver should be punished with a fine because he might have saved someones life. Yeah, right.



Yes, you totally can compare that to a starcraft game...

Edit: Just think about all the lives Morrow saved!
Cranberries
Profile Joined July 2010
Wales567 Posts
September 05 2010 19:02 GMT
#309
On September 06 2010 03:59 qoiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 03:56 Rokk wrote:
Morrow broke the rules and should be punished for it. A player disregarding the official caster of the tournament and rushing to start the game with a caster of his choice shows a huge lack of respect to the organization running the tournament. Since he broke the rules, he should be punished for it.

That said, allowing 14 casters into every game is beyond stupid. The ESL needs to work with its players to give the best viewing experience possible with minimal intrusion on the competitor's playing the game. But this needs to be addressed through the proper channels, not in a fit of rage mid-tournament.


Blabla "broke the rules and should be punished for it". So if someone had to exceed the speed limit due to an ambulance being behind it and there were no other lanes, the driver should be punished with a fine because he might have saved someones life. Yeah, right.


Ambulances can only ever use their sirens on roads with multiple lanes, and can only ever use their sirens incase of emergency. At least this is the law in England, on a single lane road an ambulance isn't allowed to use their siren.
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
September 05 2010 19:02 GMT
#310
Eventually people will realize that live streams of games is so open to abuse and is a bad idea.
meffo
Profile Joined October 2009
Sweden109 Posts
September 05 2010 19:04 GMT
#311
it seems like more or less everyone is a caster and commentator nowdays - and there are so many just doing it and doing it very badly at that.

if a tournament is sponsored it stands to reason they'd want an official stream where they can do their promotion and what-not. having more than three or four obs in a tournament game indicates the tournament is not serious and that who ever is hosting it has no respect for the players or the game. even if your tournament it being casted in several different languages you'd still want to do everything you can to keep the number of observers to a minimum.

the least you can do before letting a streamer into a tournament game is make sure his or her stream meets some sort of quality standard. sure, anyone can do a commentary, but that doesn't mean the commentary is any better than just listening to the in-game music. having an account on livestream/ustream does not by any means make you tasteless, day9, artosis or diggity.

finally, i'd like to congratulate morrow for being banned. obviously, this tournament is not good enough for him (and it's not likely to be in the very near future either). if i were him i'd stick to serious tournaments. that would at least allow him to be on time for his games. participating in several tournaments at once is bad for your reputation.
for now we see through a mirror in an enigma, but then face to face. now I know in part, but then I shall know as also I was fully known. - 1 corinthians 13:1 (12)
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
September 05 2010 19:04 GMT
#312
On September 06 2010 04:02 Kennigit wrote:
Eventually people will realize that live streams of games is so open to abuse and is a bad idea.

At least for events with prizepools bigger than 200 euro
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I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
September 05 2010 19:05 GMT
#313
On September 06 2010 04:04 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 04:02 Kennigit wrote:
Eventually people will realize that live streams of games is so open to abuse and is a bad idea.

At least for events with prizepools bigger than 200 euro


IEM qualifiers are going on live right now which leads to a very, very large prize pool.
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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
September 05 2010 19:06 GMT
#314
well i think the issue is all cleared up between both parties. ESL had a faulty rule and a player eventually got fed up and acted out unprofessionally and immaturely. He got punished accordingly and they in turn changed the rules. to an outsider it may seem a little harsh on morrow but as an organisation, you have to take action or you will be setting a bad precedent.

still, i cannot help think that maybe banning him from the next 3 events is a tad too severe since this will cripple his chances of making the next month's finals.
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
September 05 2010 19:06 GMT
#315
On September 06 2010 04:02 Kennigit wrote:
Eventually people will realize that live streams of games is so open to abuse and is a bad idea.


People realised this as soon as beta started but nobody offered up an actual solution to it beyond casting replays, which assumes you can even get them to begin with.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
qoiN
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden576 Posts
September 05 2010 19:07 GMT
#316
On September 06 2010 04:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 03:59 qoiN wrote:
On September 06 2010 03:56 Rokk wrote:
Morrow broke the rules and should be punished for it. A player disregarding the official caster of the tournament and rushing to start the game with a caster of his choice shows a huge lack of respect to the organization running the tournament. Since he broke the rules, he should be punished for it.

That said, allowing 14 casters into every game is beyond stupid. The ESL needs to work with its players to give the best viewing experience possible with minimal intrusion on the competitor's playing the game. But this needs to be addressed through the proper channels, not in a fit of rage mid-tournament.


Blabla "broke the rules and should be punished for it". So if someone had to exceed the speed limit due to an ambulance being behind it and there were no other lanes, the driver should be punished with a fine because he might have saved someones life. Yeah, right.


This is a fairly poor analogy overall.


I think it brought out my point fairly well.

On September 06 2010 04:02 Cranberries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 03:59 qoiN wrote:
On September 06 2010 03:56 Rokk wrote:
Morrow broke the rules and should be punished for it. A player disregarding the official caster of the tournament and rushing to start the game with a caster of his choice shows a huge lack of respect to the organization running the tournament. Since he broke the rules, he should be punished for it.

That said, allowing 14 casters into every game is beyond stupid. The ESL needs to work with its players to give the best viewing experience possible with minimal intrusion on the competitor's playing the game. But this needs to be addressed through the proper channels, not in a fit of rage mid-tournament.


Blabla "broke the rules and should be punished for it". So if someone had to exceed the speed limit due to an ambulance being behind it and there were no other lanes, the driver should be punished with a fine because he might have saved someones life. Yeah, right.


Ambulances can only ever use their sirens on roads with multiple lanes, and can only ever use their sirens incase of emergency. At least this is the law in England, on a single lane road an ambulance isn't allowed to use their siren.


It happened in Sweden fairly recently.
fayed
Profile Joined July 2010
United States21 Posts
September 05 2010 19:07 GMT
#317
WE NEED LAN SUPPORT
Usul
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany150 Posts
September 05 2010 19:08 GMT
#318
On September 06 2010 04:06 Telcontar wrote:
well i think the issue is all cleared up between both parties. ESL had a faulty rule and a player eventually got fed up and acted out unprofessionally and immaturely. He got punished accordingly and they in turn changed the rules. to an outsider it may seem a little harsh on morrow but as an organisation, you have to take action or you will be setting a bad precedent.

still, i cannot help think that maybe banning him from the next 3 events is a tad too severe since this will cripple his chances of making the next month's finals.


Did anyone read this?

On September 06 2010 03:27 Shawngood wrote:
Since the same argument is being brought up here constantly: We actually changed our streaming policy since Wednesday's disaster and now only "verified" casters will be allowed in the games in the quarter finals and all the later stages. In the currently running cup we have 2-3 casters and no observers besides one admin in the matches and as far as I can tell there were no lag issues so far.

It is actually in our interest to only have a selected few casters so that we can promote their streams on our website better and have a better run tournament overall. The rule of "anyone is welcome to stream" was introduced in beta when we were eager to have as much exposure as possible. There won't be 14 streamers or whatever ridiculous number is thrown aorund here again in a Go4SC2 match.

Regarding MorroW's ban: Since we didn't announce any ban for MorroW on our website so far please take any info Rakaka or other community websites release with a grain of salt. Yes, one of our admins did talk to MorroW after the cup and we didn't let him play in today's cup but I'm sure we will find a better solution to this issue as well since it's obvious that his behaviour was caused by our organization.


TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
September 05 2010 19:08 GMT
#319
On September 06 2010 04:07 qoiN wrote:
I think it brought out my point fairly well.


Well as long as you think that, I guess that's what is important?
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
September 05 2010 19:10 GMT
#320
On September 06 2010 04:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 04:02 Kennigit wrote:
Eventually people will realize that live streams of games is so open to abuse and is a bad idea.


People realised this as soon as beta started but nobody offered up an actual solution to it beyond casting replays, which assumes you can even get them to begin with.


True. Getting replays out of top players is a horrible experience and often you will not get the replays without a threat of DQ.
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