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Usul
Germany150 Posts
On September 06 2010 03:37 Pufftrees wrote: Are you trolling at this point? I am saying, you have 14 observers. If 13 are casting then 1 is a waste... are all 14 casting?? If so why??? Just seems extreme, have a few casters tops not 14. Did you even read Shawngoods post? He spoke for the ESL. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On September 06 2010 03:36 Kurr wrote: He already posted that he doesn't know how it happens. Honestly do you even read the posts? And yes, it honestly is that simple. Morrow got banned because the organizers dont know what they're doing. MorroW got banned because he broke the rules. If you join a tournament you agree to their rules, whether you like them or not. It wasn't the organizers fault that he broke them. You can't expect the rules to change on a whim, no matter if they're retarded or not. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On September 06 2010 03:38 iCCup.Diamond wrote: I'm going to repeat myself here. WE DON'T KNOW what happens, but it happens. You didn't need to, I asked what you used, you told me, end of story. | ||
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AppleTart
United States1261 Posts
On September 06 2010 03:37 Pufftrees wrote: Are you trolling at this point? I am saying, you have 14 observers. If 13 are casting then 1 is a waste... are all 14 casting?? If so why??? Just seems extreme, have a few casters tops not 14. Yet MorroW allowed zero. So no spectator could watch AND no streamers could stream to make money. But he gets to take make money? | ||
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Yurie
12084 Posts
It is quite common that the caster and co-caster join the game instead of just one. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
5 minutes isn't enough for SC2/BW. | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
Power to the players!  | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On September 06 2010 03:35 TotalBiscuit wrote: So what exactly does he use? Whatever he's using is apparently allowing a 5-minute local tape-delay buffer which would be something the rest of the community would be extremely interested in learning about. Yes, it was obviously this simple and clearly your comment has merit... Yeah thanks it does. I don't know what else there really is to say, morrow was obviously disliking the lag, and shouldn't have started the game without the casters, but when they ignore him completely, what else should he do? I'd say fuck the casters too my self if they were lagging my game. And then they ban him from the next few tournaments because of this? Wow, what a stupid tournament ran by people that don't know how to run a tournament. Maybe if they listened to their players...... I am no morrow fanboy, hell I don't like sc2, but to ban morrow when they weren't even acknowledging his request (sorry but 14 fucking people are NOT streaming the game) is bullshit. | ||
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waffling1
599 Posts
Yes, one of our admins did talk to MorroW after the cup and we didn't let him play in today's cup but I'm sure we will find a better solution to this issue as well since it's obvious that his behaviour was caused by our organization. quite rare for an organization to admit that and take action accordingly. props and respect. and ultimately, the blame is on blizzard | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
For SCII is more than enough. I can't think of anything that could be relevant 5 minutes later. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On September 06 2010 03:40 Jibba wrote: 5 minutes isn't enough for SC2/BW. It's a damn sack better than 20 seconds. | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
On September 06 2010 00:58 Hunch wrote: thats not like morrow at all  wonder why he did that You ever played a game in slow motion? It sucks all enjoyment out of the match and makes it much harder to play because every timing is off and your ability to micro is hindered. I'd do the same thing. | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
On September 06 2010 01:40 MorroW wrote: i won vs dimaga out of lag with 14 casters the entire series, was unplayable then in finals they wanted 14 casters again and i started without them in game 1, then game 2 and on i let them watch apologized for real afterwards, got angry because of the lag and disrespect of the admins to ignore what i had to say and thats why i started without them. ill be back after the ban time and i have cleared the air with them they will change their rules soon because situations like this are ridiculous which they agreed on there was no bad mannering going on here from either of the parties thats the truth your ignorant and disrespectful hard to tell what is truth and what is not when it comes from you http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2017/morrowfail.jpg and people like you shouldnt call others disrespectful as u r full of it | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On September 06 2010 03:44 {ToT}ColmA wrote: hard to tell what is truth and what is not when it comes from you http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2017/morrowfail.jpg and people like you shouldnt call others disrespectful as u r full of it This was posted already but thanks? "Regarding MorroW's ban: Since we didn't announce any ban for MorroW on our website so far please take any info Rakaka or other community websites release with a grain of salt. Yes, one of our admins did talk to MorroW after the cup and we didn't let him play in today's cup but I'm sure we will find a better solution to this issue as well since it's obvious that his behaviour was caused by our organization." I am definitely happy they're owning up to their VERY, and i mean VERY, stupid mistake. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On September 06 2010 03:44 {ToT}ColmA wrote: hard to tell what is truth and what is not when it comes from you http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2017/morrowfail.jpg and people like you shouldnt call others disrespectful as u r full of it You get a cookie for taking things out of context. | ||
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rackdude
United States882 Posts
Here's how it should be: One official cast, and one "dead cast". What I mean by the dead cast is it is just an observer with the game sounds. This gives one cast to be the official one for people to watch, and then another one for other casters to restream with their casting over it. 2 Casters + Official obs. No one else. They can watch replays and the many streams that will be coming through restreaming the dead cast. Also, it makes it easy for restreamers because all they have to do is find the central link for dead casts. They can even enter a game midstream if one of their games finishes early! I know your pain. I remember Obs games in BW... "who the hell is that lagging obs? Who let 6 obs in the game! Next time 4 max!". The tournaments should be a little more professional about this (and a few other things) and maybe Morrow's action wasn't the best course, but it definitely needed to be done. | ||
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Cajun2k1
Netherlands399 Posts
[edit]When I was writing this was posted, and it's a better explanation of the method I'm talking about.[/edit] On September 06 2010 03:48 rackdude wrote: Good job Morrow. Sucks that you had to be the one who gets messed up for it but hey, you're already starting the dialog and change. Here's how it should be: One official cast, and one "dead cast". What I mean by the dead cast is it is just an observer with the game sounds. This gives one cast to be the official one for people to watch, and then another one for other casters to restream with their casting over it. 2 Casters + Official obs. No one else. They can watch replays and the many streams that will be coming through restreaming the dead cast. Also, it makes it easy for restreamers because all they have to do is find the central link for dead casts. They can even enter a game midstream if one of their games finishes early! I know your pain. I remember Obs games in BW... "who the hell is that lagging obs? Who let 6 obs in the game! Next time 4 max!". The tournaments should be a little more professional about this (and a few other things) and maybe Morrow's action wasn't the best course, but it definitely needed to be done. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On September 06 2010 03:49 Cajun2k1 wrote: I hope this 'incident' will lead to a better gaming environment, tournament organizers have to seriously think about the triangle of progamers - casters - organization, all three have stakes in a lagfree game. So it's in the best interest of all parties that a game should go without lag. Maybe a silly suggestion, and I know it isn't the most ideal solution for the casters, but what about letting one observer control the camera and casters can restream from his POV without being in the game themselves. So in this situation you'll only have 3 people ingame, the players and the 'cameraman', and maybe a referee or admin. Anything, and I absolutely mean anything, is better than 14 other players in your game. I am still shocked that the admins let this happen on multiple occasions, apparently they have never played a multiplayer game in their lives. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On September 06 2010 03:24 vyyye wrote: Are you sure it's that simple? Really feels like there's got to be a reason for it being what it is, but then again.. they do make some questionable decisions. It has to be related to how Bnet works though, I mean.. They can't think having obs lag games adds anything to SC2. Essentially it is that easy, yes. Sure there are a few details you have to take care of, but there are much more complex/difficult things that are absolutely mandatory for a RTS engine and bnet client. | ||
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