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On September 06 2010 01:30 Kurr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 01:26 smileyyy wrote:On September 06 2010 01:24 Kurr wrote:On September 06 2010 01:14 Kerotan89 wrote:
I really think this is stupid, and I think most of the casters out there forcing themselves into games are morons.
If the tournament says they want casters in the game, they should get there own official fricking caster to do it, not get the whole game full with 10 other people all live streaming one game.
One person observing, then have casters restream the game and do commentary without flooding the game and causing potential lag, slowdowns. Yeah, this tournament is just awful so far. Banning players because random Obs aren't allowed in the game. That's sure to add credibility to your tournament. Like someone else said : 1 Official caster (german?) 1 or 2 Back up casters for the rest of us No other obs How is that so hard to understand? read the thread first :/ he didnt allow Take in the game ... Take = official Esl caster... Esl awful tournament ? its one of best imo I did read the thread and I saw that. Honestly I didn't even know until now that he was the official caster. Why? Because the tournament is all over the place! This is information that should be given from the get go. "Ok, this is the official casters and these are the back-up casters. Feel free to kick anyone else in your games." That one sentence should've been in the OP of the tournament thread.
All the Info is already there ... http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/go4sc2/cup35/leagueinfo/ ---> http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/streams/ and its not like its the first time Take ever streamed this lol. He saw him in person 2 weeks ago on the IEM :D. He fully knew what he did so no excuses. The ban itself is well deserved.
But I agree with everyone else that theyre too many obs in the game.
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yeah these players are being bitches, follow the rules you assholes
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Now there's only a German stream to watch the esl. How can we get english commentaries?
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On September 06 2010 01:38 Tdelamay wrote:
Now there's only a German stream to watch the esl. How can we get english commentaries?
You're not missing any good English casters anyway. Just enjoy TaKe's awesomeness.
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So morrow pulled an Idra? Maybe a friendship is developing here =o
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The entire "not showing off the strats" argument is LOL. Real athletes must compete in the open, where others can watch... and that's what we're all after, right? To have SC respected as a sport it has to be run as a sport.
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On September 06 2010 01:25 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 01:23 OreoBoi wrote:
Instead of banning people, I think the ESL needs to look at how it's running this tournement. Seriously, if two of the top players are having problems with streamers for whatever reason, maybe something needs to change.
Maybe ESL needs to learn from MLG a little bit. According to JP's story, when he wanted to cast the second game between Nony and Incontrol and Incontrol said no, they didn't cast it. Hint, if you're income depends on people coming to watch the top SC2 players play, maybe you should give them some respect. And the counterpoint to that is, players aren't going to get paid if sponsors walk away because players get too big for their booties and say 'no, you may not cast me, I am too important'. It's give and take. As far as I'm concerned, if you're in a tournament with casters, you consent to be cast. That's how the money gets injected into ESPORTS and that's how you as a player will get some of that money. That doesn't excuse randoms + a billion streamers out of fuckin nowhere piling into a game mind you.
Nothing is stopping them form casting the replays. If it's a lag issue, I think that's best. I don't want to sit there and watch lag, I get enough of that while I'm playing 3v3 or 4v4. If it's the players saying, I don't want to be casted, then that's a different issue. IMO it would be best for the tournament to try and solve the lag issues instead of banning players.
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If there is lag, the players have every right to kick out streamers, but the official streamer should be the last one out. Sounds like a poorly run tournament.
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i won vs dimaga out of lag with 14 casters the entire series, was unplayable
then in finals they wanted 14 casters again and i started without them in game 1, then game 2 and on i let them watch
apologized for real afterwards, got angry because of the lag and disrespect of the admins to ignore what i had to say and thats why i started without them. ill be back after the ban time and i have cleared the air with them
they will change their rules soon because situations like this are ridiculous which they agreed on
there was no bad mannering going on here from either of the parties thats the truth
On September 06 2010 01:37 travis wrote:
yeah these players are being bitches, follow the rules you assholes
your ignorant and disrespectful
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Well I think in general the audience (including casters and admins) are just missing some manners towards the players since sc2 came out.
This game is not about who is best at handling lag. I dont think this a skill you have to learn to get a better player in any way. This game should be about who is best at playing the game and nothing else. Especially if money is on the line I just have complete understanding for the behaviours of MorroW, HuK and whoelse is defending themselves. Im just fine with getting replays casted too, it does not make any difference for me.
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It's not like Morrow needs to be playing in EPS Nordic anyway.... there's a reason most top players skip these cups  and it's not because they're lazy.
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On September 06 2010 01:01 AmaZing wrote:
but seriously if a fucking player does not want you in the freaking game, he doesnt want you in the FREAKING GAME! So bm these ppl. I know BigT wasnt at fault and i didnt think he was at fault the last time either but WOW wtf. because a caster "WANTED TO JOIN", STFU and join one of the other 31 games... ffs
Organized tournaments and leagues are not the players' personal playgrounds where they can do whatever they want. If following rules is too difficult, don't sign up.
Totally with ESL on this one.
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On September 06 2010 01:40 MorroW wrote:
i won vs dimaga out of lag with 14 casters the entire series, was unplayable
then in finals they wanted 14 casters again and i started without them in game 1, then game 2 and on i let them watch
apologized for real afterwards, got angry because of the lag and disrespect of the admins to ignore what i had to say and thats why i started without them. ill be back after the ban time and i have cleared the air with them
they will change their rules soon because situations like this are ridiculous which they agreed on
there was no bad mannering going on here from either of the parties thats the truth
well at least morrow himself clears up whats happening. oh well
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Wish they would start replay casting if not at a LAN. Not like us viewers miss anything, also removes chances of stream listening.
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Thanks for clearing that up MorroW.  Stay awesome.
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ESL allowing 14 casters inside a battle 0.2 game is what is ridiclous, I mean really? Are you that naive that you think its going to be a good lag-free experience for the players/spectators?
ESL needs to become more professional instead of trying to please every BigT out there
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let me just state for the record that im banned from the next 3 go4sc2 cups, nothing else
dont listen to everything the press
let me just finish this by saying it was just stupid and immature of me to take the problem and try solve it myself by not letting them cast, i regret it but i think getting a ban was harsh, im just happy that its not gonna stay like this forever because lately almost all tournaments have been giving too little damn about the players
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Casters/tourney organizers should just institute a rule to have players upload replays immediately after each game is completed (with initial access only to casters) and have the casters just cast the games right after they are completed. That way there is no problem...
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On September 06 2010 01:43 Senx wrote:
ESL allowing 14 casters inside a battle 0.2 game is what is ridiclous, I mean really? Are you that naive that you think its going to be a good lag-free experience for the players/spectators?
To be fair; I blame the non-official casters much more than ESL. The casters shouldn't have to be told not to cause problems. People want to see the games, not the casters. You're not more important than the players.
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I remember this. I was watching the stream when this happened.
The reason Morrow did this, it seems, was because having almost 2 dozen observers (was like 24 in one of the games) lagged the games to hell. If you watched Morrow vs Dimaga game 3, lag from obvs ruined that game.
This game was directly after that game and I can understand his feelings of not waiting for a bunch of observers to come swarm the game.
Essentially, this ban is the organizers covering up the fact they fucked up andtrying to avoid look like fools for letting near 20 people into a single game to obsererve.
Even tho the strat Morrow used in that 3rd game vs dimaga makes my blood boil, I am on his side in this argument considering the conditions of that tourny.
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