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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
September 05 2010 16:55 GMT
#121
if there's lag, I could see getting rid of obs/streamers etc but you'd think the "official" tournament streamer would be the last one to go
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 05 2010 16:55 GMT
#122
On September 06 2010 01:54 Senx wrote:
But they don't. They let every caster, their friend and their dog into tournament matches and then they ban players when the players finally get fed up with having over a dozen people ruining their chances to compete beacuse of high latency.



yeah it seems incredibly unprofessional :-(
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
September 05 2010 16:55 GMT
#123
On September 06 2010 01:48 IdrA wrote:
live casting is fucking ridiculous for so many reasons
this really needs to be stopped.


Yep. Only one is really needed, why the hell were there 14 in IEM...
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Kigari
Profile Joined August 2010
Bahrain134 Posts
September 05 2010 16:56 GMT
#124
Who the fuck are these people to think they can impose lag in your games ? Can't they just get the damn replay and stream with like a 15 minutes delay ? Like people would watch "live" outside of korea anyways...
dellesh1ruH
Profile Joined August 2009
Denmark509 Posts
September 05 2010 16:56 GMT
#125
change the ridiculous rules...[/QUOTE]

yea x2
Pain is temporary, Glory is forever!
c0rn1
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany146 Posts
September 05 2010 16:57 GMT
#126
On September 06 2010 01:48 IdrA wrote:
live casting is fucking ridiculous for so many reasons
this really needs to be stopped.


if you now start to include reasons we could actually see what you're talking about.
no cast = no viewers = no income = no prices for the tournament. And especially YOU who plays in Korea where alot of matches are cast should understand it the most.

"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. " (Albert Einstein)
Tdelamay
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada548 Posts
September 05 2010 16:57 GMT
#127
On September 06 2010 01:52 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 01:50 Tdelamay wrote:
Is the ESL going to offer an english stream? Otherwise I most likely stay away from all of this. I don't find german streams as interesting to watch.


Spend 2 seconds and you should be able to find the english cast. Jesus, some of the laziness around here fucking blows my mind.


They changed the streaming rules, Bacon. Now only esl tv is allowed to stream the quarter final and up. If they do not stream in english, then there won't be any.

You are also very rude.
This road isn't leading anywhere...
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
September 05 2010 16:59 GMT
#128
On September 06 2010 01:54 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
Woot how many casters were there?

How about 2-3?

1 German and two really good English ones such as GLHF.tv and Gosugamers. May be unfair towards other casters but the games and player matter... not the huge amount of casters out there.


On September 06 2010 01:40 MorroW wrote:
i won vs dimaga out of lag with 14 casters the entire series, was unplayable

then in finals they wanted 14 casters again and i started without them in game 1, then game 2 and on i let them watch

apologized for real afterwards, got angry because of the lag and disrespect of the admins to ignore what i had to say and thats why i started without them. ill be back after the ban time and i have cleared the air with them

they will change their rules soon because situations like this are ridiculous which they agreed on

there was no bad mannering going on here from either of the parties thats the truth


Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 01:37 travis wrote:
yeah these players are being bitches, follow the rules you assholes

your ignorant and disrespectful

Banelings are too cute to blow up
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
September 05 2010 16:59 GMT
#129
On September 06 2010 01:57 c0rn1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 01:48 IdrA wrote:
live casting is fucking ridiculous for so many reasons
this really needs to be stopped.


if you now start to include reasons we could actually see what you're talking about.
no cast = no viewers = no income = no prices for the tournament. And especially YOU who plays in Korea where alot of matches are cast should understand it the most.


Well IdrA is coming from BW and in the BW scene it was quite common to cast from replays. For Wc3 players that's absurd, since it hardly ever happened there. Scores spread too fast to cast from replays at such daily tournaments. At TSL for example it worked fine, but i doubt it could go well at for example Go4SC2 cups.
rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
September 05 2010 17:00 GMT
#130
What is with all the Morrow hate? I think the real culprit here is the ESL.

Last Wednesday when TaKe and DeMuslim were casting Morrow vs Dimaga there were ridiculously many casters. Morrow asked for people to leave, but not a single person left, and no ESL admin said anything. I dunno if Take and Demuslim were the ones supposed to ask streamers to leave, or perhaps there was an ESL admin, but there should have been an ESL admin (whether Take or someone else) to tell streamers and non-essential observers to gtfo. They finally played the game since apparently no one was caring at all about what Morrow said.

Now this stuff happens again and it's understandable that Morrow is pissed. Not allowing Take to join was a stupid thing to do, but as I see it there was no right thing for Morrow to do. He could have insisted on removing casters and been met by silence and inaction followed by a "rdy morrow?" He may not have chosen the best option, but it must have been frustrating as hell to be him and I totally understand not acting rationally in such a situation.

Both parties are to blame, but ESL is the ones that need to realize that they must do something different in the future.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-05 17:03:28
September 05 2010 17:02 GMT
#131
On September 06 2010 01:57 Tdelamay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 01:52 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 06 2010 01:50 Tdelamay wrote:
Is the ESL going to offer an english stream? Otherwise I most likely stay away from all of this. I don't find german streams as interesting to watch.


Spend 2 seconds and you should be able to find the english cast. Jesus, some of the laziness around here fucking blows my mind.


They changed the streaming rules, Bacon. Now only esl tv is allowed to stream the quarter final and up. If they do not stream in english, then there won't be any.

You are also very rude.


If that's true I retract my statement slightly. There are still english casts going on and if you actually care about the game, then the language shouldn't matter. None of the english casters (who are currently streaming) have any meaningful insight to add to the game. Watch muted, with german, or don't watch.

edit: and if it's true, Kudos to ESL for their desire to minimize bull shit in the finals/semis.

I don't feel like hitting multi-quote, but whoever quoted IdrA... he's talking about casting from replays. Not just stopping casting all together. Casting live games means more lag, more possible problems on multiple ends, more downtime for viewers because you can't just go from one game to the next, etc. Casting replays is smooth and appeases to players. Yes, it's not live, but if all you care about is the results live then I'm sure you could find updates rather than watch any game at all.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
SOCOMICEPICK
Profile Joined August 2010
87 Posts
September 05 2010 17:03 GMT
#132
lol at that screen shot fail
"Whoever said "Money can't buy happiness" never had money in the first place."
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
September 05 2010 17:04 GMT
#133
On September 06 2010 00:56 RifleCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 00:44 HolydaKing wrote:
From what i remember he didn't let TaKe join (or did he just start the game without him?) and after that he said the following stuff to BigT: http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2017/morrowfail.jpg

That being said, there's probably more about it!

Edit: Apparently he just started the game even though he knew Take (ESL TV) wanted to join!


Shouldn't of posted that picture man, you got him banned for 2 additional weeks because of it.


that pic was all over the esl irc channels that day... nothing new
Kevmeister @ Dota2
cocosoft
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1068 Posts
September 05 2010 17:04 GMT
#134
Seriously ban all the rus from being spectator. I bet 100$ they were causing the lag.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
AmaZing
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Nepal299 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-05 17:06:08
September 05 2010 17:04 GMT
#135
Seriously, having 12 obs either way casting or not is freaking Stupid. So the admins are just saying this. "FUCK THE LAG AND FUCK YOU MORROW!" while while were at it, GET BANNED! If you really want to cast the bloody games so bad Ask the replays to be posted 5 mins after the gg has been called and cast that. When idra got banned for refusing casters while playing from korea, there was a similar respose from the esl admin, ban!!!!! They really need to figure out their rules so it wont affect the players GAMES. Isnt that the whole point tho? wanting to see the players at their best? having 1 "official caster" might be the way and the rest have to make due with replays. Even though i said that, morrow maybe should have just invited 1 admin and just started the game. Although morrow already mentioned the admins ignoring him. although a Stupid rule exists. its a rule.
ಠ_ಠ
Usul
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany150 Posts
September 05 2010 17:04 GMT
#136
On September 06 2010 00:49 arew wrote:
I don't get why it's such a big deal of not letting caster to obs...


so u really dont get why the guys who finance the tournament are angry because they are not allowed to cast their own tournament? really?
Tdelamay
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada548 Posts
September 05 2010 17:06 GMT
#137
On September 06 2010 02:02 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 01:57 Tdelamay wrote:
On September 06 2010 01:52 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 06 2010 01:50 Tdelamay wrote:
Is the ESL going to offer an english stream? Otherwise I most likely stay away from all of this. I don't find german streams as interesting to watch.


Spend 2 seconds and you should be able to find the english cast. Jesus, some of the laziness around here fucking blows my mind.


They changed the streaming rules, Bacon. Now only esl tv is allowed to stream the quarter final and up. If they do not stream in english, then there won't be any.

You are also very rude.


If that's true I retract my statement slightly. There are still english casts going on and if you actually care about the game, then the language shouldn't matter. None of the english casters (who are currently streaming) have any meaningful insight to add to the game. Watch muted, with german, or don't watch.

edit: and if it's true, Kudos to ESL for their desire to minimize bull shit in the finals/semis.

I don't feel like hitting multi-quote, but whoever quoted IdrA... he's talking about casting from replays. Not just stopping casting all together. Casting live games means more lag, more possible problems on multiple ends, more downtime for viewers because you can't just go from one game to the next, etc. Casting replays is smooth and appeases to players. Yes, it's not live, but if all you care about is the results live then I'm sure you could find updates rather than watch any game at all.


Watching muted streams can be fun, but I personally enjoy listening to the commentaries without the video. It's my way of enjoying these games.
This road isn't leading anywhere...
leecH
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany385 Posts
September 05 2010 17:06 GMT
#138
hi TL community.. first post yaaay. even a drama post ;D

im living in germany. i was visiting gamescom "IEM" where ive seen morrow playing against idra. you guys remember the interview by take after the match? "lets not talk about imbalanced" was the first thing he told to idra after the finals. anyway:

i remember this stream by take. he was streaming from his home. he was drinking about 3 beers and was totally drunk. he was sitting on his couch, bouncing to some shitty gangster music. (really narcissistic), making fun of his girlfriend cleanig his appartement... finally right when the game started he was like "i have to go to the toilet"...........

WTF?! something like this is called "official"? my friends and me could not stop laughing after this.

also at this cast he was the reason for a big drama because he lagged out of a game and they had to rematch because of it.

im just writing this because i see people here are defending the ESL.
just wanted to let you know on which side you are.

<3 sc2 drama.


Aberu
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States968 Posts
September 05 2010 17:07 GMT
#139
On September 06 2010 00:59 apm66 wrote:
Sounds like MorroW has a really big ego now!

MorroW:
"I told them that I regret it"
"but I don't"
"xD"


This is nothing new, all of the interviews he claims that no other terran is up to his level yet, that he is the best terran right now, etc... Just making statements like that, with the smirk on his face after wins, he is a very egotistical little prick.
srsly
Whiztard
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States241 Posts
September 05 2010 17:07 GMT
#140
Bad rules were made to be broken. Its all a part of civil disobedience if you break a rule that you don't believe in and suffer the consequences. If there is a bad rule out there, the bravest goes out to break it so that the same crap doesn't happen to other people. Its such an easy concept.

MorroW did the right thing by standing up to the ESL and their ridiculous rules, and he accepted the ban like a man.

On a side note, I always thought that the IEM was bs too because it used Battle.Net as a medium for play, but the fault is most likely in part with Blizzard for not releasing a LAN feature for tournaments like they promised (I don't even think GSL has that).
when Bisu switches to SC2...... (2014 update: sighh)
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