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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
September 05 2010 15:57 GMT
#21
yeah, banning is right if the rules say so, however it s also frustrating when there are over 9000 commentators streamers spectators whatnot who "have" to join
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
piegasm
Profile Joined August 2010
United States266 Posts
September 05 2010 15:58 GMT
#22
On September 06 2010 00:49 Dekker wrote:
Well DonKey, its a rule of this Cup. If you dislike the rules, dont take part in the cup then. He's the only one to blame in this situation.


Exactly.

On one hand if you have a player who is strongly opposed to having obs, and another match where the players don't mind, I don't see much reason to force obs on the player who doesn't want it. On the other hand, not only is it in the rules, but we just saw IdrA take penalty points for the exact same thing. For that reason, IMO, MorroW has even less excuse.

I've lost a little respect for MorroW recently. I was watching Trump's stream when he was waiting for MorroW for a semifinal because MorroW had committed to play 2 tournaments simultaneously. Trump ended up waiting for a good hour because MorroW first played one round in the other tournament and then went to play the 2nd round because he didn't want to wait 30 seconds for Trump to ask a question about eliminating maps and he actually blamed Trump for the delay. :/

That said, I think these tournaments need to start requiring casters to register with the tournament. No more of this business of any random moron with a Ustream account being able to take it upon himself to start casting tournaments.
Hunch
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada336 Posts
September 05 2010 15:58 GMT
#23
thats not like morrow at all

wonder why he did that
I have a Hunch.770
Piou
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium415 Posts
September 05 2010 15:58 GMT
#24
On September 06 2010 00:46 DonKey_ wrote:
....wow I'm sorry but this shit is retarded; to disallow a gamer from having a choice if he wants obs is retarded.

If this was the semifinals match or even the quarter finals i could see mandatory obs being expected, but not in like ro64 and such.


+1... It's not like he was a suspected cheater or whatever, if the game started on time with both players, if the opponent did not complain about a possible cheat and so on, to sum up, if the game was fair, there's no reasons for such a ban... that's childish to ban him for that.

At leaste a warning or something like that would be ok, but a ban is just ridiculous
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Vequeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United Kingdom1116 Posts
September 05 2010 15:59 GMT
#25
On September 06 2010 00:56 RifleCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 00:44 HolydaKing wrote:
From what i remember he didn't let TaKe join (or did he just start the game without him?) and after that he said the following stuff to BigT: http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2017/morrowfail.jpg

That being said, there's probably more about it!

Edit: Apparently he just started the game even though he knew Take (ESL TV) wanted to join!


Shouldn't of posted that picture man, you got him banned for 2 additional weeks because of it.


What is this, 5th grade?
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apm66
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada943 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-05 16:00:38
September 05 2010 15:59 GMT
#26
Sounds like MorroW has a really big ego now!

MorroW:
"I told them that I regret it"
"but I don't"
"xD"
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-05 16:08:54
September 05 2010 15:59 GMT
#27
On September 06 2010 00:56 RifleCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 00:44 HolydaKing wrote:
From what i remember he didn't let TaKe join (or did he just start the game without him?) and after that he said the following stuff to BigT: http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2017/morrowfail.jpg

That being said, there's probably more about it!

Edit: Apparently he just started the game even though he knew Take (ESL TV) wanted to join!


Shouldn't of posted that picture man, you got him banned for 2 additional weeks because of it.

Nah, it's well known actually.

On September 06 2010 00:53 Titan107 wrote:
The players were getting pissed considering there were like 50 spectators streaming and lagging the game to shit. I would have started without them too if it meant a lag-less game. Example: Morrow vs Dimaga game 3. Obs lagged on the final confrontation and dimagas banelings suicided and lost him the game. (This game was previous to this incident)

Okay, but you know that it was an ESL tournament. If there were too many streamers, then the priority list of kicking observers should be something like this:

1. randoms
2. friends of players / basically randoms
3. known players
4. streamers
5. ESL TV (if at all kickable, dunno. I think there's a rule which says ESL TV may not be kicked)

edit: checked and didn't find such a rule, even though the priority list is still correct ^^
[-]Ocelot[-]
Profile Joined February 2006
United States256 Posts
September 05 2010 16:00 GMT
#28
On September 06 2010 00:53 Titan107 wrote:
The players were getting pissed considering there were like 50 spectators streaming and lagging the game to shit. I would have started without them too if it meant a lag-less game. Example: Morrow vs Dimaga game 3. Obs lagged on the final confrontation and dimagas banelings suicided and lost him the game. (This game was previous to this incident)



doesn't seem like the require every streamer known to man to cast it, just the official streamer, am I right? (I am not sure, haven't followed this, but it makes the most sense).

I see no reason why the players can't ask for any non-essential streamers to leave. doesn't sound like Morrow did that.

And in game 3 of Dimaga vs Morrow, honestly, Dimaga lost it anyway. I'm a zerg player still sour about IdrA's loss to MorroW at IEM Cologne, and a big dimaga fan.. but to say he lost because of the lag isn't true. It was just an annoying ass time in an already tense game. It was like someone taking a shit on your head after pissing in your cereal.

I'd be upset too.
Who Dares Wins
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-05 16:02:15
September 05 2010 16:01 GMT
#29
The problem the Starcraft 2 scene is facing right now is that it seems like there are way too many commentators and every time there is a game all of them want to join in. So a game that can start the moment the players join can't because they have to not just wait for the official ESL streamers to get in but then wait for another retarded number of independent streamers who also to join. Taking 30 minutes to start a game. Then what happens? They lag the game, refuse to leave, won't leave and players have no saying in anything.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
AmaZing
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Nepal299 Posts
September 05 2010 16:01 GMT
#30
but seriously if a fucking player does not want you in the freaking game, he doesnt want you in the FREAKING GAME! So bm these ppl. I know BigT wasnt at fault and i didnt think he was at fault the last time either but WOW wtf. because a caster "WANTED TO JOIN", STFU and join one of the other 31 games... ffs
ಠ_ಠ
Jarvs
Profile Joined December 2009
Australia639 Posts
September 05 2010 16:01 GMT
#31
Do they have a list of approved streamers? If they do, then I can totally understand it. If they don't then I cannot see the fairness in banning him.
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-05 16:02:57
September 05 2010 16:02 GMT
#32
^ no they don't. If you want to stream you just tell them and they let you in. You use the same line they all use "it's for the community"
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
September 05 2010 16:02 GMT
#33
In all those cases - Idra, Morrow etc - I'd always side with the player, even without knowing the details of the story. Chances are, usually good players have good reasons for such behavior.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Denizen[9]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States649 Posts
September 05 2010 16:03 GMT
#34
Some peoople were lagging up the games, so morrow raged and refused to not let any obs in. I don't blame him, its very frustrating to him
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genai
Profile Joined July 2009
Croatia78 Posts
September 05 2010 16:04 GMT
#35
On September 06 2010 01:01 AmaZing wrote:
but seriously if a fucking player does not want you in the freaking game, he doesnt want you in the FREAKING GAME! So bm these ppl. I know BigT wasnt at fault and i didnt think he was at fault the last time either but WOW wtf. because a caster "WANTED TO JOIN", STFU and join one of the other 31 games... ffs


If a player doesnt want obs in the freaking game... then dont join the tournament where you need to have (rules) said tournaments obs in the game... stfu and join 10 other tournaments!
Tiax;mous
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
669 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-05 16:06:41
September 05 2010 16:04 GMT
#36
i can understand "not letting caster" thing but that chat screen means nothing. Players aren't allowed to talk & joke with their friends during tournaments now? ( and no it's not like he did it in public to damage ESL's name etc )

On September 06 2010 00:59 apm66 wrote:
Sounds like MorroW has a really big ego now!

MorroW:
"I told them that I regret it"
"but I don't"
"xD"


Really? To me it looks like he's joking and having fun. Wierd
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
September 05 2010 16:05 GMT
#37
Don't defend him just because you're a fanboy. Sure, I like Morrow, I think he's usually very manner, however this was a 100% dickish move on his part and anyone trying to defend his actions needs to reevaluate how they view things.

That said, I do find it strange coming from Morrow, he's usually not dickish at all.
lalala
Burn2Memory
Profile Joined August 2010
United States574 Posts
September 05 2010 16:05 GMT
#38
If its part of the rules to allow take(or whoever is the official streamer) to stream it, then morrows the one at fault.

Also BigT does start a lot of drama wish he wouldnt stream at all -_-.
piegasm
Profile Joined August 2010
United States266 Posts
September 05 2010 16:05 GMT
#39
On September 06 2010 00:56 RifleCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 00:44 HolydaKing wrote:
From what i remember he didn't let TaKe join (or did he just start the game without him?) and after that he said the following stuff to BigT: http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2017/morrowfail.jpg

That being said, there's probably more about it!

Edit: Apparently he just started the game even though he knew Take (ESL TV) wanted to join!


Shouldn't of posted that picture man, you got him banned for 2 additional weeks because of it.


MorroW should have thought of that before he said it..to BigT of all people. This is the exact situation IdrA was in. I have no idea why MorroW would think he could do the exact same thing with no consequences.
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
September 05 2010 16:07 GMT
#40
On September 06 2010 01:05 youngminii wrote:
Don't defend him just because you're a fanboy. Sure, I like Morrow, I think he's usually very manner, however this was a 100% dickish move on his part and anyone trying to defend his actions needs to reevaluate how they view things.

That said, I do find it strange coming from Morrow, he's usually not dickish at all.

What's more dickish? Obs refusing to not leave the game when they are lagging or MorroW refusing the laggers to join in and go with a small numbers of obs (including the official streamer ESL)
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
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