EPTGretech, Kespa, and Why Sc2 Fans Should Care - Page 8
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x7i
United Kingdom122 Posts
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Half
United States2554 Posts
Riiiiggghhhttt. Got anything else? I want to hear it. lol, got trolled into some hour long argument with some semi-retard guy when I was trying to get work done. dammit. 1.7 billion won is 1.45 million usd. So we went from 17 million to 1.45 million. Man I got trolled really hard didn't I. | ||
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gaggar
Canada118 Posts
On September 04 2010 17:21 Womwomwom wrote: So what prevented OGN and MBC from simply saying "no"? That is a significant amount of money if what you, and those sources, are true. I don't imagine MBC and On Media are so weak that they basically had to take it up the ass. Also isn't Kespa basically run by the proteam sponsors (KT, SKT, etc)? quote from the website 그리고 한국 e-sports 협회는 각 팀 감독들에게 모종의 지시를 내렸다. 12개 프로팀 중 MBC게임 팀과 온게임넷 팀을 제외한 모든 팀의 선수들이 예선현장에서 철수했다. 예선 중계를 기다리던 시청자들이 본 것은, 예선현장에서 선수들이 모두 떠나서 중계방송을 하기 어렵다는 공지사항 뿐이었다. Kespa pulled the plug mid-season during 2007 and told every players, coach and teams to exit the leagues. The networks had to notify the viewers that the tournament was no longer able to carry on without the players. Eventually the networks caved in and paid the 1.7m (3.4 in total) | ||
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gaggar
Canada118 Posts
On September 04 2010 17:23 Half wrote: lol, got trolled into some hour long argument with some semi-retard guy when I was trying to get work done. dammit. lol, got trolled into some hour long argument with some full-retard guy when I was trying to get work done. Seriously if that was all you had, you're weak and not even worth the air you're breathing. Read my post on the 2007 ruckus between the networks and kespa. | ||
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Vokasak
United States388 Posts
On September 04 2010 17:20 gaggar wrote: Cost of running the official team comes from respective company's official bank. Kespa's fund expenditures are kept hidden. Kespa does not advertise BWPL, Kespa hires very few people. Kespa spends very little. Whereabouts of rest of the money? Your guess. Solid gold hot tubs? Cocaine and hookers? Hiring large square-jawed men used to scare people into giving them more money? | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On September 04 2010 17:05 Grond wrote: I don't see anybody defining what they mean by success. SC 2 may be sucessful if you define it as having some small tournaments that are watched by.some people online. If you define successful as starting where BW left off and growing beyond that then no they can't be successful without Korea. If they don't do a 180 in their negotiations with Kespa then SC 2 will not be successful in Korea. Blizzard may not like it and you may not like it but Kespa will be able to keep SC 2 from becoming a successful e-sport in Korea. Why can SC2 not be successful without korea? Counterstrike is quite successful without korea. Quake has been quite successful without korea. So far, considering SC2 is still extremely new, I would say it is quite successful. Right now, we are entering an era in which gaming can actually achieve a higher status thanks to the internet. What limited foreign success of games before was that you had no way to watch most matches. Now that there are a lot of streams (and in the case of SC2, lots of casters), more people can watch it and see it. It is already more global than anything before. I mean, just look at the HDH invitational. 230k views for the beta tournament. Flash vs jaedong in may (around the same time as the HDH) 70k. Flash vs jaedong from january, 112k. More than 20k people watched the king of the beta hill tournament LIVE at midnight or way later. | ||
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SevenAteNine
126 Posts
On September 04 2010 17:28 Vokasak wrote: Solid gold hot tubs? Cocaine and hookers? Hiring large square-jawed men used to scare people into giving them more money? cocaine might have been involved, might explain thair actions as of this year | ||
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
Which kids will play Sc2 with the dream of playing among the best players, if they know the game they’ve invested so much time into will promptly be washed away by Warcraft 4, or Starcraft 3? Which sponsors will put down money to help a league that will be ancient history in a few short years? This hits it very well, as your other points does. I am also having doubt, is it stupid of me to commit time into this game, if starcraf3 comes out and Blizzard decides to just put a death to sc2? Not only is it really bad for the players that are thinking about putting time into the game, but also sponsors and other infrastructures. They need to know that in a few years from now, the things they have put money in wont just die as fast as Blizzard wants brood war to die. Blizzard really made a bad mistake putting brood war to death like this. They can easily co-exists, and I dont see any reason why they cant. I love to watch brood war games, and I also like to see sc2 games. In my experience, they can co-exists very well. | ||
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junkacc
99 Posts
I'll still be happily watching KeSPA sponsored BW matches. | ||
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junkacc
99 Posts
Blizzard owns the copyright but that doesn't exclude reimplementation as long as no Blizzard assets are used. All you SC2 fanboys who know nothing about the BW scene in Korea and think prize money automatically means esports can continue deluding yourselves that small scale disorganized tournaments are anything but a joke. | ||
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gaggar
Canada118 Posts
-Started early 2007 - Sponsors were starting to pour in, and everything started looking peachy. The teams were popular and BW was at the height of popularity - Kespa starts to see a profit potential in the league. They've shown their power in the past in 2005 when Kespa merged all tournaments held by OGN and MBC into just 2 leagues - OSL and MSL. - MSL had to shut down their team league, and OGN forced to sell their PL. - Kespa basically took and re-distributed league formats. Same sponsors, same game format - nothing changed. Kespa essentially took the commanding position away from the networks with one move. - 2006, PL starts, seemingly successful. OGN gets some trouble holding a new sponsor. Kespa does not help on that matter. OGN eventually finds shinhan to sponsor them. - 2007, Kespa, out of nowhere, starts an open auction on broadcasting rights for all the leagues. The price they first put up was pretty much impossible to pay for. The programming schedule as they put up for auction meant twice the matches played, and more than 5 times a week. Pretty much worth 2 network's programming. - Both OGN and MBC refuses to buy. - Then a company called IEG buys it off Kespa for 1.7m. IEG has no broadcasting equiptment, prior experience or knowledge to broadcast the leagues. The company literally came out of nowhere. - IEG wants to sell the rights to OGN and MBC for twice the money (1.7m each) - Kespa pressures OGN and MBC to buy the rights. OGN and MBC refuses again - Kespa pulls the plug on players mid-season - OGN, with shinhan sponsor fears for possible lawsuit. Caves in and buys the rights. - MBC eventually follows suit. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
When your country's airport supports a video game by funding the bigest video game tournament ever that is e - sports . They fucking take the progamers by plane to which ever point of the world they want the tournament to be in . This is what helps popularize e - sports world wide . And to think that people are telling me that BW is not growing ... When companies like Samsung , Wemade , CJ media , Hanbit , Hwaseung , STX , and others some of which are far bigger companies then Blizzard or Gretech will ever get sponsors a team of progamers that is e - sports . Kespa is practically made from representatives of this companies . When your country's military service supports a video game now that is e - sports . Most famous players in BW are considered celebrities and not just in Korea . Tell me how many years or decades will it take for Starcraft 2 to become this big ? I'm not talking about a 2 - 10k cash tournament somewhere or a far bigger cash tournament thrown by a company that wants a piece of Korean's e -sports success . Why did Blizzard even have to come to Korea ? Oh yeah because of the success of BW which Blizzard casted aside , because of their next big game . If blizzard really supported BW they would have continued to make patches . I would have liked to see units like the scouts , queen , ghost actually being made by players . What makes you think that with SC2 it won't be the same . Some units are already not used like the archon which has no function rather then a leftover after the templars cast their storm . | ||
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SevenAteNine
126 Posts
On September 04 2010 17:47 junkacc wrote: A Korean company should make a BW clone + enhancements. Korean games do very well in Korea and Asia in general. They've already shown they can make a better WoW than Blizzard. Blizzard owns the copyright but that doesn't exclude reimplementation as long as no Blizzard assets are used. All you SC2 fanboys who know nothing about the BW scene in Korea and think prize money automatically means esports can continue deluding yourselves that small scale disorganized tournaments are anything but a joke. prize money is just another step in the master plan cant expect SC2's empire to grow over night stimulate the economy=more popularity if you think SC2 is going away then i have a bridge to sell ya ill sell it real cheap Edit: its just a guessing game at this point but most people think 2 years | ||
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junkacc
99 Posts
On September 04 2010 17:59 SevenAteNine wrote: prize money is just another step in the master plan cant expect SC2's empire to grow over night stimulate the economy=more popularity if you think SC2 is going away then i have a bridge to sell ya ill sell it real cheap Edit: its just a guessing game at this point but most people think 2 years Yes prize money is the least of it and it's where the west has been stuck at for... how long prize pools for games have existed. You can study on the history of the NFL or NBA or any other professional sport. It took a long time for something like KeSPA to emerge in those sports too. SC2 is at the level of counterstrike right now. What makes you so sure it will become an empire? Because Blizzard said so? I have 100 bridges to sell you. | ||
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Lighioana
Norway466 Posts
Which sponsors will put down money to help a league that will be ancient history in a few short years? | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On September 04 2010 17:55 raga4ka wrote: You people don't get what e - sports is .... When your country's airport supports a video game by funding the bigest video game tournament ever that is e - sports . They fucking take the progamers by plane to which ever point of the world they want the tournament to be in . This is what helps popularize e - sports world wide . When companies like Samsung , Wemade , CJ media , Hanbit , Hwaseung , STX , and others some of which are far bigger companies then Blizzard or Gretech will ever get sponsors a team of progamers that is e - sports . Kespa is practically made from representatives of this companies . When your country's military service supports a video game now that is e - sports . You really shouldnt say they wont ever get sponsors for the game. Intel already sponsored one tournament, and the game was brand new. A year down the line if the game is still going moderately strong I can see more supporting it. Most famous players in BW are considered celebrities and not just in Korea . Thats a lie o.O They are a celebrity in korea, but not outside korea. I mean... if you walk down the streets of bulgaria and start talking about the most recent flash game, will people think of the flash that you know? I know in america that is definitely not the case. Tell me how many years or decades will it take for Starcraft 2 to become this big ? I'm not talking about a 2 - 10k cash tournament somewhere or a far bigger cash tournament thrown by a company that wants a piece of Korean's e -sports success . Umm.... the GSL league already has a bigger cash tournament. This month's tournament is $85k, and supposedly the end of year tournament for 2011 will supposedly be $1,000,000. That is in US dollars (assuming the translator correctly adjusted). | ||
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SevenAteNine
126 Posts
On September 04 2010 18:14 junkacc wrote: Yes prize money is the least of it and it's where the west has been stuck at for... how long prize pools for games have existed. You can study on the history of the NFL or NBA or any other professional sport. It took a long time for something like KeSPA to emerge in those sports too. SC2 is at the level of counterstrike right now. What makes you so sure it will become an empire? Because Blizzard said so? I have 100 bridges to sell you. You're ignorent if you dont believe SC2 has what it takes to read beyond SCBW's level. i mean look at the players that have flocked to it so far JulyZerg is already playing SC2 on Prime team if other A team SCBW players wernt contracted to KeSPA its a very good chance they would be playing too if that isnt a indication of things to come | ||
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
On September 04 2010 18:18 TheRabidDeer wrote: Umm.... the GSL league already has a bigger cash tournament. This month's tournament is $85k, and supposedly the end of year tournament for 2011 will supposedly be $1,000,000. That is in US dollars (assuming the translator correctly adjusted). Way to miss the point. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
I just dont see how SC2 is not already nearing global popularity on the scale of BW. At this point it isnt as popular for a single country (which may change since the pro season is over for now), but why are you all so focused on a single country? I mean... look at it from this PoV: In terms of people interested in watching the games, it has surpassed BW. In terms of prize pool tournaments/leagues, we already have a league offering substantial prize money. I think in 2011 that will be the largest video game prize ever. So, how are you all saying that SC2 isnt big? How are you to say it wont be big in korea? Your reasoning makes no sense. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On September 04 2010 18:18 TheRabidDeer wrote: You really shouldnt say they wont ever get sponsors for the game. Intel already sponsored one tournament, and the game was brand new. A year down the line if the game is still going moderately strong I can see more supporting it. Intel sponsors all kinds of stuff that has no future, as do video card companies. In the future, non-gaming sponsors would indicate broad appeal... gaming sponsors, not so much. | ||
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