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Yoshinaka
New Zealand50 Posts
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
On August 22 2010 10:19 KaiserJohan wrote: Yeah because thats how they make a living...? Not saying blizzard is doing a better job, but still, if they truly love esports they shouldn't screw it up for the gamers. That's how they make a living? The teams make a living. KESPA is representing the sponsors. The sponsors don't do Broodwar as their main business. They do it for goodwill/brand enhancement. They can pull out at any time and not feel a thing. | ||
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MuuMuuKnight
Thailand107 Posts
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On August 22 2010 13:30 hacpee wrote: That's how they make a living? The teams make a living. KESPA is representing the sponsors. The sponsors don't do Broodwar as their main business. They do it for goodwill/brand enhancement. They can pull out at any time and not feel a thing. You are seriously delusional. They do it because their is profitable gain, by recognition or otherwise. I don't know what fantasy world you live in where companies like Samsung act on good will. | ||
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Secret_Agent_360
Korea (South)5 Posts
1. KeSPA (Korean e-Sports Player Association) was founded. 2. Blizzard didn't pay much attention to KeSPA. 3. KeSPA tried to sell tickets to offline audience for the final match of Ongamenet Starcraft taurnament. 4. Blizzard said, 'No, you can't do that.' 5. KeSPA then started to take money from two major game channels, Ongamenet and MBC Game, for broadcasting Starcraft matches in Korea 6. Blizzard got mad a bit about this. 7. Only GomTV contacted Blizzard directly to request for broadcasting matches online. 8. Blizzard asked only 1$ for the contract fee. 9. GomTV created GomTV Classic and began to broadcast games. 10. Around Season 4, KeSPA told GomTV to pay money for the broadcasting. 11. GomTV argued that KeSPA didn't have any rights to do so by mentioning its contract with Blizzard. 12. KeSPA pulled their progamers out of GomTV Classic matches. 13. Eventually, GomTV went out of business. 14. Blizzard got really mad. 15. Blizzard set in motion to protect its property as well as intellectual property of Starcraft. 16. Blizzard tried to negotiate a contract with KeSPA. 17. KeSPA refused, argueing that e-sports are like other sports such as basketball and soccer, and we don't pay money to the creator of the soccer ball for soccer games. Starcraft is for the public use like the soccer ball. 18. Michael Morhaime, the president of Blizzard, visited Korea to meet progamers while promoting new Starcraft2 beta in Korea. 19. KeSPA threatened each progamer team not to meet Michael Morhaime. 20. So Michael Morhaime couldn't meet any progamers and had to return to U.S. in vain. 21. Blizzard constantly tried to negotiate with KeSPA, but KeSPA kept refusing for the same reason. 22. Blizzard finally announced that there'll be no negotiation with KeSPA. 23. Blizzard provided GomTV with the rights for broadcasting all the matches using Blizzard games. Also Blizzard informed that all the matches from KeSPA after the end of August, 2010 will expire, so KeSPA will not be able to have any matches using Blizzard games, otherwise be sued by Blizzard. 24. KeSPA furiously reacted to the 'sudden' terms. (Actually, it seemed like threatenening Blizzard) 25. Ongamenet and MBC Game hurriedly tried to negotiate with GomTV 26. In fact, there's no difference for them because they are going to pay GomTV the same money which they've been paying to KeSPA. 27. The only weapon that KeSPA has now is progamer teams that belong to KeSPA. 28. KeSPA prohibited progamers (including SlayersBoxer and NaDa) from playing, or even trying, Starcraft 2. 29. Consequently, the current high ranking players are usually retired progamers and amateurs. 30. GomTV prepared for the broadcast of GSL(Global Starcraft 2 League). 31. The scale of the league surpassed by far that from KeSPA. 32. KeSPA is now trying some media manipulation saying bad things about Starcraft 2 33. Recently, KeSPA forced NaDa to quit playing during the Starcraft2 event match that was held in Germany. 34. KeSPA gave an excuse that it was because of a network problem. 35. KeSPA changed the excuse that NaDa had another event to attend to at that time. Most of these are known facts that have happend and are happening in Korea. I read the original version which was in Korean posted in Ruliweb.com and I got somewhat upset about the whole story, so i decided to trasnlate it into English so that many can learn about how KeSPA has been doing to fans, progamers, and Blizzard. | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
On August 22 2010 15:03 Secret_Agent_360 wrote: For those who are not really aware of KeSPA's business, here's the timeline of KeSPA and its major events in (South) Korea + Show Spoiler + 1. KeSPA (Korean e-Sports Player Association) was founded. 2. Blizzard didn't pay much attention to KeSPA. 3. KeSPA tried to sell tickets to offline audience for the final match of Ongamenet Starcraft taurnament. 4. Blizzard said, 'No, you can't do that.' 5. KeSPA then started to take money from two major game channels, Ongamenet and MBC Game, for broadcasting Starcraft matches in Korea 6. Blizzard got mad a bit about this. 7. Only GomTV contacted Blizzard directly to request for broadcasting matches online. 8. Blizzard asked only 1$ for the contract fee. 9. GomTV created GomTV Classic and began to broadcast games. 10. Around Season 4, KeSPA told GomTV to pay money for the broadcasting. 11. GomTV argued that KeSPA didn't have any rights to do so by mentioning its contract with Blizzard. 12. KeSPA pulled their progamers out of GomTV Classic matches. 13. Eventually, GomTV went out of business. 14. Blizzard got really mad. 15. Blizzard set in motion to protect its property as well as intellectual property of Starcraft. 16. Blizzard tried to negotiate a contract with KeSPA. 17. KeSPA refused, argueing that e-sports are like other sports such as basketball and soccer, and we don't pay money to the creator of the soccer ball for soccer games. Starcraft is for the public use like the soccer ball. 18. Michael Morhaime, the president of Blizzard, visited Korea to meet progamers while promoting new Starcraft2 beta in Korea. 19. KeSPA threatened each progamer team not to meet Michael Morhaime. 20. So Michael Morhaime couldn't meet any progamers and had to return to U.S. in vain. 21. Blizzard constantly tried to negociate with KeSPA, but KeSPA kept refusing for the same reason. 22. Blizzard finally announced that there'll be no negociation with KeSPA. 23. Blizzard provided GomTV with the rights for broadcasting all the matches using Blizzard games. Also Blizzard informed that all the matches from KeSPA after the end of August, 2010 will expire, so KeSPA will not be able to have any matches using Blizzard games, otherwise be sued by Blizzard. 24. KeSPA furiously reacted to the 'sudden' terms. (Actually, it seemed like threatenening Blizzard) 25. Ongamenet and MBC Game hurriedly tried to negociate with GomTV 26. In fact, there's no difference for them because they are going to pay GomTV the same money which they've been paying to KeSPA. 27. The only weapon that KeSPA has now is progamer teams that belong to KeSPA. 28. KeSPA prohibited progamers (including SlayersBoxer and NaDa) from playing, or even trying, Starcraft 2. 29. Consequently, the current high ranking players are usually retired progamers and amateurs. 30. GomTV prepared for the broadcast of GSL(Global Starcraft 2 League). 31. The scale of the league surpassed by far that from KeSPA. 32. KeSPA is now trying some media manipulation saying bad things about Starcraft 2 33. Recently, KeSPA forced NaDa to quit playing during the Starcraft2 event match that was held in Germany. 34. KeSPA gave an excuse that it was because of a network problem. 35. KeSPA changed the excuse that NaDa had another event to attend to at that time. Most of these are known facts that have happend and are happening in Korea. I read the original version which was in Korean posted in Ruliweb.com and I got somewhat upset about the whole story, so i decided to trasnlate it into English so that many can learn about how KeSPA has been doing to fans, progamers, and Blizzard. wow, thanks for the post i now realize how ignorant I was about this whole issue | ||
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professorjoak
318 Posts
On August 22 2010 15:03 Secret_Agent_360 wrote: For those who are not really aware of KeSPA's business, here's the timeline of KeSPA and its major events in (South) Korea + Show Spoiler + 1. KeSPA (Korean e-Sports Player Association) was founded. 2. Blizzard didn't pay much attention to KeSPA. 3. KeSPA tried to sell tickets to offline audience for the final match of Ongamenet Starcraft taurnament. 4. Blizzard said, 'No, you can't do that.' 5. KeSPA then started to take money from two major game channels, Ongamenet and MBC Game, for broadcasting Starcraft matches in Korea 6. Blizzard got mad a bit about this. 7. Only GomTV contacted Blizzard directly to request for broadcasting matches online. 8. Blizzard asked only 1$ for the contract fee. 9. GomTV created GomTV Classic and began to broadcast games. 10. Around Season 4, KeSPA told GomTV to pay money for the broadcasting. 11. GomTV argued that KeSPA didn't have any rights to do so by mentioning its contract with Blizzard. 12. KeSPA pulled their progamers out of GomTV Classic matches. 13. Eventually, GomTV went out of business. 14. Blizzard got really mad. 15. Blizzard set in motion to protect its property as well as intellectual property of Starcraft. 16. Blizzard tried to negotiate a contract with KeSPA. 17. KeSPA refused, argueing that e-sports are like other sports such as basketball and soccer, and we don't pay money to the creator of the soccer ball for soccer games. Starcraft is for the public use like the soccer ball. 18. Michael Morhaime, the president of Blizzard, visited Korea to meet progamers while promoting new Starcraft2 beta in Korea. 19. KeSPA threatened each progamer team not to meet Michael Morhaime. 20. So Michael Morhaime couldn't meet any progamers and had to return to U.S. in vain. 21. Blizzard constantly tried to negotiate with KeSPA, but KeSPA kept refusing for the same reason. 22. Blizzard finally announced that there'll be no negotiation with KeSPA. 23. Blizzard provided GomTV with the rights for broadcasting all the matches using Blizzard games. Also Blizzard informed that all the matches from KeSPA after the end of August, 2010 will expire, so KeSPA will not be able to have any matches using Blizzard games, otherwise be sued by Blizzard. 24. KeSPA furiously reacted to the 'sudden' terms. (Actually, it seemed like threatenening Blizzard) 25. Ongamenet and MBC Game hurriedly tried to negotiate with GomTV 26. In fact, there's no difference for them because they are going to pay GomTV the same money which they've been paying to KeSPA. 27. The only weapon that KeSPA has now is progamer teams that belong to KeSPA. 28. KeSPA prohibited progamers (including SlayersBoxer and NaDa) from playing, or even trying, Starcraft 2. 29. Consequently, the current high ranking players are usually retired progamers and amateurs. 30. GomTV prepared for the broadcast of GSL(Global Starcraft 2 League). 31. The scale of the league surpassed by far that from KeSPA. 32. KeSPA is now trying some media manipulation saying bad things about Starcraft 2 33. Recently, KeSPA forced NaDa to quit playing during the Starcraft2 event match that was held in Germany. 34. KeSPA gave an excuse that it was because of a network problem. 35. KeSPA changed the excuse that NaDa had another event to attend to at that time. Most of these are known facts that have happend and are happening in Korea. I read the original version which was in Korean posted in Ruliweb.com and I got somewhat upset about the whole story, so i decided to trasnlate it into English so that many can learn about how KeSPA has been doing to fans, progamers, and Blizzard. Great summary. People who haven't been following should definitely read it. 8b. Even better, Blizzard themselves contributed $40000 to the prize pool of one of the GOM seasons if I recall. Kespa makes bullet points about wanting to expand esports to the rest of the world, but their anticompetitive actions indicate that they just want Starcraft to remain a solely Korean phenomenon so they can cash in on all their advertising structure themselves. Kespa is also the reason pro gamers can't use chat during matches. | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
Not attacking your list, Secret_Agent_360, by the way. Excellent break-down. | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
On August 22 2010 15:32 Ocedic wrote: Is it feasible for Blizzard or some other entity to straight up hire progamers away from Kespa? You know what they say: "money talks." | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
enjoy~ all thanks should go to Sgany for recording the stream! PS. to anyone having issues with the video do not use VLC player, use FLV player | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
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smileyyy
Germany1816 Posts
On August 22 2010 15:41 DonKey_ wrote: If anyone is looking for the VODs of the matches they have been uploaded http://rapidshare.com/files/414341372/video.flv enjoy~ all thanks should go to Sgany for recording the stream! yeah nice :=). no reason for me to upload it anymore ^^- Also fuuuu Kespa way to go to ruining a nice event and then spreading lies to cover up ?....... | ||
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Jocoma
Denmark100 Posts
Also Blizzard informed that all the matches from KeSPA after the end of August, 2010 will expire, so KeSPA will not be able to have any matches using Blizzard games, otherwise be sued by Blizzard. Looking forward to see how this goes down :S | ||
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tournamentnow
Australia111 Posts
His post is pretty factual. | ||
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~Matthias
Canada56 Posts
On August 22 2010 09:52 Qikz wrote: I'm not sure if you've actually been reading about what's happening, but GOM have been given Lan Support for use by progamers, or people who play in the massive GOM tourneys, it's just Kespa wanting to milk money out of something they haven't even made without giving Blizzard a penny of it. Also, I'm not sure if you know how software/hardware works, but generally you have a lot of problems at the beginning of software, aka in this situation it's BNET 2.0, which will get ironed out as time goes by. Yeah? And whens the last time you heard valve wanting money for the hundreds of tournaments that revolve around counter-strike, or ID for quake. I don't think Blizzard should get any money for tournaments. Every player to compete needs to own the game anyway so that they can log on through battle.net. As far as software goes, WoW still goes down all the time, I can remember a few times where its been down for hours (And not because of Tuesday maintenance). You have to think about all the smaller tournaments being held everywhere, maybe not all with "Progamers" but with high skilled players competing for decent amounts of money. The fact that it doesn't have LAN goes in the total opposite direction of this E-Sports obsessed direction that Blizzard is heading. But we'll see what happens. | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
Thanks a lot for that post, it's very helpful to read such a summary. It's important for those who returned to SC2 after years of absence to know a bit about the kespa/blizzard stuff since it seems to influence the esport potential of our favorite game a lot. I could find some bits and pieces with search but it seems i missed a lot. | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
If anyone is looking for the VODs of the matches they have been uploaded http://rapidshare.com/files/414341372/video.flv Error This file is neither allocated to a Premium Account, and can therefore only be downloaded 10 times. This limit is reached. Any other link? | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
Kespa's protecting the Korean BW scene, if SC2 is just a flash in the pan but kills off BW just to make Blizzard more money then esports is DEAD. I'm happy if Korea becomes a haven for BW and SC2 catches on everywhere else. At least we have something to go back to. Nada was there for another game, they used him to promote SC2 and streamed it worldwide (i.e. ESL is in the wrong). Kespa's well within their rights to pull their player out if the agreement for the match was breached and it wasn't in the BW scene's best interests. I really don't get the Kespa hate on this site, the sponsors simply protect the time and investment they have put into developing these amazing progamers which SC2 parties (mainly Blizz) are trying to exploit to further their own interests. The more outrageous thing at this event was the disconnect in the first game because Blizzard hasn't implemented lan support. They are all talk when it comes to esports as no LAN is clearly detrimental to any future pro-scene. | ||
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abrasion
Australia722 Posts
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