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DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
August 21 2010 22:33 GMT
#401
If anyone one has a VOD of the NaDa vs. TLO games please PM me!
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
GhoSt[shield]
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2131 Posts
August 21 2010 22:35 GMT
#402
Nada was really, really ridiculously behind in game 3. I think he believed that TLO's backdoor expo was up for much longer than his own expo at Nada's natural. TLO's backdoor expo was seriously delayed (up slower than Nada's natural expo due to the destructible rocks despite being built before Nada started his). Nada was really behind in scv count due to the hellion drop harass by TLO so while the gg seemed quick Nada was so far behind already when he lost his marauder force in the middle that a gg was only a matter of time.
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
August 21 2010 22:35 GMT
#403
been posted already

http://www.livestream.com/hateplow/video?clipId=pla_d7d40147-d402-4d42-a379-d1df2c1e4cb2

40 minutes +

BTW: did anyone notice how in game 2, they actually made tank viking look fun?
We talkin about PRACTICE
Tiax;mous
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
669 Posts
August 21 2010 22:36 GMT
#404
On August 22 2010 07:26 blacktoss wrote:
If they willingly took the risk, then the blame is theirs. That's what risk is. That's what happens when you breach an agreement. Some of you guys have really bizarre ideas about how this stuff works.

i'm not sure i get what you mean. they had 2 simple choice ;
1) kespa doesnt want restreams in korea , and i cant simply control everyone in korea to stop it ; thus i shouldnt arrange a showmatch
2)someone WILL restream in korea , but surely i can stream at least 1-2 games before kespa intervene ( if ever ). 1-2 games between nada and TLo , is worlds better then chickening out
i dont get it , how it is esl's fault.
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
August 21 2010 22:36 GMT
#405
On August 22 2010 02:38 cybrodroid wrote:
I'll just leave this here.

http://livestre.am/kHKN (skip to 40 min)


Awesome! GREAT games ! too bad Kespa had to stop game 3.

Myrkskog
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada481 Posts
August 21 2010 22:45 GMT
#406
Haha look at how google translate handled Team Liquid on
http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=2031816

cruising under discussion and many comments timrikwideuui related posts


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Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
August 21 2010 22:50 GMT
#407
Kespa obviously pulled the plug when it was apparent that NaDa was going to lose to a westerner. It was really disappointing to stay up until 5:00am to watch two players square off and have the match dogged by technical issues and political drama.
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
August 21 2010 23:04 GMT
#408
On August 22 2010 07:35 GhoSt[shield] wrote:
Nada was really, really ridiculously behind in game 3. I think he believed that TLO's backdoor expo was up for much longer than his own expo at Nada's natural. TLO's backdoor expo was seriously delayed (up slower than Nada's natural expo due to the destructible rocks despite being built before Nada started his). Nada was really behind in scv count due to the hellion drop harass by TLO so while the gg seemed quick Nada was so far behind already when he lost his marauder force in the middle that a gg was only a matter of time.


People aren't arguing whether Nada would've or could've won. The fact of the matter is any discussion now is pure conjecture because of Kespa's actions.

I mean, how about we just end every game where a player falls behind prematurely?
TheAngelofDeath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2033 Posts
August 21 2010 23:10 GMT
#409
On August 22 2010 07:50 Dental Floss wrote:
Kespa obviously pulled the plug when it was apparent that NaDa was going to lose to a westerner. It was really disappointing to stay up until 5:00am to watch two players square off and have the match dogged by technical issues and political drama.



This. South Korea doesn't want to appear weak. :p
"Infestors are the suck" - LzGamer
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 23:21:24
August 21 2010 23:20 GMT
#410
I guess KeSPA agreed showmatch that assumption its not streamed internet at all, only to people who are visiting @ IEM. ESL just had brilliant idea to broadcast and it failed.
Raiznhell
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada786 Posts
August 21 2010 23:31 GMT
#411
Think about it guys. Blizzard screwed Kespa over by not signing them on for sc2 despite Kespas long commitment to starcraft broodwar (still to this day IMO the best game ever to come out of blizzard cuz i find sc2 terribly disappointing). so naturally nobody should expect Kespa to want anyone under contracts with them to go playing a game that was refused from Kespa.
yeah it sucks but i look at blizzard overalll as the villians. they want complete control of everything to do with this game.(a game which im mostly still excited for maps to be made of the original sc units)
Cake or Death?
Motion
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany183 Posts
August 21 2010 23:35 GMT
#412
Fomos website has been hacked ?

http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110095&db=issue
http://www.gentle-nerds.com
nukkuj
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Finland403 Posts
August 21 2010 23:36 GMT
#413
Game 2 was game of the week, so not a failure from ESL's part imo. Too bad kespa fucked the fans over.
IamAnton
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada335 Posts
August 21 2010 23:39 GMT
#414
Raiznhell you are so right, it was Kespa who got screwed after being caught breaking a contract they had signed with blizzard over intellectual rights. I totally blame Blizzard for enforcing a clear contract violation, and Kespa banning all teams from playing in GOM Tournaments. Stupid Blizzard trying to make sc2 esports global while poor Kespa now has to make money illegally a different way.
"Man created God in his own image." - Ludwig Feuerbach
NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
August 21 2010 23:40 GMT
#415
On August 22 2010 08:31 Raiznhell wrote:
Think about it guys. Blizzard screwed Kespa over by not signing them on for sc2 despite Kespas long commitment to starcraft broodwar (still to this day IMO the best game ever to come out of blizzard cuz i find sc2 terribly disappointing). so naturally nobody should expect Kespa to want anyone under contracts with them to go playing a game that was refused from Kespa.


Blizzard and KeSPA were negotiating for a long time over SC2. The negotiations fell through, for undisclosed reasons. There are rumors running around, but nothing solid about what happened. So I don't see how you can objectively say that Blizzard "screwed Kespa over". Blizzard gave them a chance to get on board.

The other thing you need to realize is that Blizzard did not need to negotiate. They could have just said, "Here are our terms, take them or leave them;" as the owners of the game, that is their right. But they instead choose to enter into a real dialog for quite some time. The negotiations didn't work out, so here we are.
So you know, cats are interesting. They are kind of like girls. If they come up and talk to you, it's great. But if you try to talk to them, it doesn't always go so well. - Shigeru Miyamoto
Cofo
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1388 Posts
August 21 2010 23:57 GMT
#416
A bit off-topic, but does anyone know how much SC2 Nada has actually played? Based on what I saw in the games, along with the fact that he's still a registered BW progamer, I would guess not very much at all. If that's actually the case, it makes me very excited to see what some of the Korean BW pros will be able to do if they ever decide to switch to SC2 full time.
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Macavity
Profile Joined July 2010
United States83 Posts
August 21 2010 23:58 GMT
#417
None of this matters since Nada was so far behind he was going to lose game 3. As far as I'm concerned, the showmatch started and was completed. The disconnected game balances out the abrupt GG at the end of game 3.

What is really funny about this story were the casters' reaction when Nada GGed. They immediately said, "Most people think people GG after a big battle. But this GG came because Nada knew he was so far behind, etc. etc. etc." Instead of admitting their surprise as to why Nada gged, the casters made up stuff and declared we, unwashed masses, are too stupid to understand why someone would GG 'abruptly' (where the truth is they had no idea).

Note to casters: if you aren't sure why something occurred, don't declare you do.
Psychatog
Profile Joined August 2010
Philippines71 Posts
August 22 2010 00:09 GMT
#418
On August 22 2010 08:58 Macavity wrote:
None of this matters since Nada was so far behind he was going to lose game 3. As far as I'm concerned, the showmatch started and was completed. The disconnected game balances out the abrupt GG at the end of game 3.

What is really funny about this story were the casters' reaction when Nada GGed. They immediately said, "Most people think people GG after a big battle. But this GG came because Nada knew he was so far behind, etc. etc. etc." Instead of admitting their surprise as to why Nada gged, the casters made up stuff and declared we, unwashed masses, are too stupid to understand why someone would GG 'abruptly' (where the truth is they had no idea).

Note to casters: if you aren't sure why something occurred, don't declare you do.


Weird that YOU also said Nada is so far behind game 3 that he was going to lose. The casters said the same thing at that point because they also think the way YOU did.
Dionesus
Profile Joined March 2010
United States69 Posts
August 22 2010 00:14 GMT
#419
Is it normal that when you lose...you race out and have a Korean German talk in your behave?
Cant stop...Wont stop
Clipped
Profile Joined August 2010
France122 Posts
August 22 2010 00:20 GMT
#420
On August 22 2010 08:57 Cofo wrote:
A bit off-topic, but does anyone know how much SC2 Nada has actually played? Based on what I saw in the games, along with the fact that he's still a registered BW progamer, I would guess not very much at all. If that's actually the case, it makes me very excited to see what some of the Korean BW pros will be able to do if they ever decide to switch to SC2 full time.
I believe TLO said in the interview after the show-match that he was impressed at NaDa's play considering he only started playing SC2 10 days ago.
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