EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 671
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yamato77
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On April 05 2011 04:54 Tschis wrote: You see, I think I understand what you're trying to say. But in my opinion, it's not about glorifying the BM or promoting it (at least I don't have such intentions). It's about not punishing someone for doing it when he is being teased in the first place. //tx I don't care as long as people stop acting like BM is cool and defending it. Whatever "drama" it brings to the game is unnecessary, in my opinion. But I guess if most people like it, it must be necessary, right? Hah. Popularity is, and always has been, a really stupid thing. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 05 2011 05:02 -Archangel- wrote: Wait, wait. How is this whole idra/huk/destiny convo relevant to this thread? Maybe you boys can find your own thread for this? Since when has this thread been relevant to the show? | ||
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SirKibbleX
United States479 Posts
In contrast, however, I think one of the saddest things to happen to the Korean scene is the elimination of banter and ceremony from the game. Somewhere between 2002 and 2005 the game lost a lot of its 'fun' and some of its soul. When players started to lose extremely important matches over mistyping a request for a pause, or getting suspended for mistyping 'gg', the community knew there was a problem. But even before that, the fact that players could no longer carry on with one another, or draw a sad face whenever they lost an overlord seems to have taken something out of the game; watching Starcraft became less like having a window into high level players' gameplay and experience playing an exciting game and more like watching an over-stressed office worker at his job. Hear me out on this: I think there's a place in our sport for BM. People love a narrative. People love being a fan of a player and watching him/her grow and fail against obstacles, learn more and eventually overcome them. "Professional Wrestling" is founded upon this very narrative concept. There is an idea in narratives of 'heels' and 'faces'. Faces are the heroes, the underdogs who grow and change over a long period. Heels are their opponents, oftentimes made out to be despicable and sneaky. But sometimes even heels become incredibly popular, sometimes people just identify with their outlook or like their confidence, even if it borders on arrogance, smugness, and conceitedness. People like to root against a 'bad guy' but sometimes they like to root for them. If 'professional wrestling' was all faces there would be no drama. Even in Boxing, MMA, American Football, and Basketball there are players/fighters who could fit into the definition of a heel. For example, a huge number of MMA fans despise Anderson Silva, whose trash talk is infamous. He is, however, undoubtedly the most talented fighter ever in his weight class and everyone has a huge amount of respect for his technique and resolve. When he dominates a match utterly, he shows his opponents contempt, but when he is challenged, he shows great humility and respect. So where does IdrA's BM fit in? I like him because he's so human. No matter what people say, everyone knows he is an excellent player. The fact that his self-confidence is so great just means that when he loses he will get angry at himself and possibly at his opponents. Its not strictly rational, its entirely flawed, deeply dramatic, and totally human. I watch IdrA because I love his gameplay and strategic vision, but I also watch because I know the most exciting, intriguing moments happen around him. I hope to see him grow and change over time, but right now I love the fact that when IdrA does show respect for his opponent I know its because he's seen them play and knows they understand the game on a level comparable to him; because of this I know I'm going to be seeing an exceptional match, and win or lose, IdrA's dedicated, motivated, finely-honed craft. | ||
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taintmachine
United States431 Posts
On April 05 2011 04:59 zeru wrote: Personality is quite different from acting childish, creating drama, or being bad mannered. I guess people draw the lines between them in different places, and that's why there's argument about this subject. I doubt anyone wants to see robots-people play instead of what we have now. well, i'm just saying i don't think the huk vs. idra series was good enough w/o the drama to make it worth talking about so much. neither player even made it into the top 6, right? yet this thread is more focused on this little spat than naniwa *almost* not dropping a single game the entire tournament. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On April 05 2011 05:04 KevinIX wrote: Everyone cares way too much for BM. I just chuckle to myself and move on. If you watch SC2 for the drama, you're probably better off watching Reality TV shows. SC2 should be about the games and the strategy, not the manners. Drama can make it more fun. The Cheese grudge match is a good example. But if every SC2 player never showed emotion and never bm'd I'd still like watching SC2. So yeah, "chuckle and move on" works wonders. I do find it hilarious how seriously people take it though. It's hurting the growth of e-sports, so I guess it makes sense... (lol I can't believe I even typed that) | ||
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Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
On April 05 2011 05:04 SirKibbleX wrote: So where does IdrA's BM fit in? I like him because he's so human. No matter what people say, everyone knows he is an excellent player. The fact that his self-confidence is so great just means that when he loses he will get angry at himself and possibly at his opponents. Its not strictly rational, its entirely flawed, deeply dramatic, and totally human. I watch IdrA because I love his gameplay and strategic vision, but I also watch because I know the most exciting, intriguing moments happen around him. I hope to see him grow and change over time, but right now I love the fact that when IdrA does show respect for his opponent I know its because he's seen them play and knows they understand the game on a level comparable to him; because of this I know I'm going to be seeing an exceptional match, and win or lose, IdrA's dedicated, motivated, finely-honed craft. I couldn't have said it better. I love IdrA's perseverance and hard-work, and how severe he gets angry at himself for not being able to win, after so much work. And then he goes home to practice even more. //tx | ||
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Woshie
Australia90 Posts
I think it is awsome that players have personality in SC2. Idra I may not be a fan but I know who you are and I know what think! Huk is the same. That is part of SC2 that makes it entertaining to people the diversity of players to like and dislike. It adds something else to the game beyond just good games. You will sit down not just thinking I hope to see good games. You will sit down going COME ON PLAYER X crush player Y I want them to lose! Like it or not in sports people do become attached to teams/players and do dislike others. The best way for that to come out is to show the players and give them some leaveway to express themselves. BM to me is annoying term. Most of things that are said are trash talking plain and simple. I'm not a fan of trash talk it does nothing for me, but I don't see the need to stop it outside of a game. The big issue is inside of a game. If we look at Huk vs Idra. Huk trolled Idra in a tournament match. Idra said fuck off and that was that. Yet odly Idra gets most of the hate for that one. Huk according to the rules should have been DQ'd for starting to chat like that fishing for a response from Idra to make him mad :p Would that have been good for esports? I don't think so. It is a hard line to police. In the end they both moved on and played the game. No player sat there the whole time slandering the other one in game. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
words are just words, and just like in real life some people swear alot and some people dont, if you base your entire opinion of someone on the rate they say the word fuck then you need to grow up much more than they do. and as for what sponsors do and do want to see from their players, leave that up to them. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
On April 05 2011 05:54 DystopiaX wrote: Yeah, I don't approve of BM but I think the SC definition is taking it too far. IdrA doesn't gg and people start raging and calling him out over the internet- it's 2 characters, says good game, and is now used so often that it's become meaningless. With the interview after Huk, all he said was that Huk couldn't beat him in a straight up game- that's not the name calling that other people in the thread have mentioned, and again it's a completely valid opinion of Idra's- maybe he doesn't think that Huk can beat him straight up. Saying that that is BM is essentially saying that players aren't allowed to have opinions about other players unless that opinion is "He's good" or "I think I can beat him but he's a decent player". It's not only boring, it also seems incredibly restrictive. I don't think that players should be cursing out other players, but there's nothing wrong with one player saying that he's better than the rest, or saying that other players aren't as good as he/she is. + Show Spoiler + IdrA actually called HuK retarded in another interview (one that wasn't made by the MLG team) //tx | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
Muhammad Ali, Brock Lesner, The Rock, Gary Payton ... this is the kind of trash talking pro's should aspire to. There's a difference between laying the smack down and BM; at least to me. | ||
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
On April 05 2011 05:54 DystopiaX wrote: Yeah, I don't approve of BM but I think the SC definition is taking it too far. IdrA doesn't gg and people start raging and calling him out over the internet- it's 2 characters, says good game, and is now used so often that it's become meaningless. With the interview after Huk, all he said was that Huk couldn't beat him in a straight up game- that's not the name calling that other people in the thread have mentioned, and again it's a completely valid opinion of Idra's- maybe he doesn't think that Huk can beat him straight up. Saying that that is BM is essentially saying that players aren't allowed to have opinions about other players unless that opinion is "He's good" or "I think I can beat him but he's a decent player". It's not only boring, it also seems incredibly restrictive. I don't think that players should be cursing out other players, but there's nothing wrong with one player saying that he's better than the rest, or saying that other players aren't as good as he/she is. "Huk is retarded" - Idra @ MLG Dallas 2011 | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
It's hilarious though, especially when it bites him in the ass. | ||
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zYwi3c
Poland1811 Posts
On April 05 2011 06:01 Tschis wrote: + Show Spoiler + IdrA actually called HuK retarded in another interview (one that wasn't made by the MLG team) //tx Idra called Huks play style retarted, not him as a person. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On April 05 2011 06:05 Jiddra wrote: "Huk is retarded" - Idra @ MLG Dallas 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYhtj-tnztc awesome, thank you for the link | ||
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LagT_T
Argentina535 Posts
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