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On April 05 2011 04:37 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 04:34 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On April 05 2011 04:32 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:31 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On April 05 2011 04:28 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:25 Mailing wrote:On April 05 2011 04:19 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:10 Mailing wrote:
I can't believe how fucking whiny you people are about "BM"
The entire term is stupid, pulled from a country with hyper strict moral values that has nothing to do with western esports or life at all.
There is a reason idra is the most popular foreigner. There is a reason Destiny is the most popular streamer.
Believe it or not your skewed view on morals is the minority.
Yeah, let's totally have everyone going around calling each other names when they lose and cursing at them when they do something we think is cheap. That'll turn us right into all the other stupid communities that accept and promote that kind of behavior. It IS childish. You're in the minority here. No one thinks people like IdrA and Destiny are people to look to for moral value. They think the BM is funny and find joy in watching others rage at parts of a game. It's also childish in that laughing at others because they get mad amounts to little more than petty bullying. Unfortunately, everyone on the internet has to act like they're witty and insult other people, so the trend continues even though it's reprehensible behavior. You're coming from some "Cultural Relativism" mindset about morals, when the fact is, the West doesn't really want to put up with stupid BM that's out of place either. A match, even between rivals, shouldn't devolve into a name-calling affair. The most interesting part of the IdrA vs. Huk was the way IdrA beat Huk in the extended series, not what Huk said to him in game 3. Stop promoting BM. Well idra called him "Retarded" in an interview, not in game. Are you going to whine about what people do in their own time now? Do they have to be manner when talking on skype now? How about LADDER games? Should IdrA be nice to everyone on ladder because it might make some armchairs online mad? The rest of your dribble is again, completely opinionated and based on evidence of popularity, wrong. And no, the most interesting thing about the idra vs huk series was that idra backed up his claim. Obviously you're just trying to be some silly contrarian that has no idea what morals are or how people should act in a given situation. If you think BM is fun, then go play another game where people run around and call each other names all day when they lose. Stop complaining to a community that doesn't accept this childish behavior. Stop speaking on behalf of a community. I was unaware you were god of TL or SC2. Well if there's an outrage over BM, obviously the community doesn't like it. Or did you forget what we were talking about here? You think there's an "outrage" over BM because you, a couple of other people, and a crappy gossip website chose to talk about IdrA? There are plenty more instances of people who talk bad about BM than just those. You're just being intentionally inflammatory towards me because you're an IdrA fan and don't like that I called his behavior childish. I'm sorry, but it is. So was Huk's. If you think he's that bad, let your play do the talking. That's what I like to see, and that's why I thought IdrA's beating him in the extended series was more interesting than this stupid BM. Did you actually read anything I posted?
I did read what you posted, especially the part about how this community supposedly hates bm. I'd say this community, seeing as IdrA is the most popular SC2 player, has voiced that it doesn't care about it nearly as much as you do. You can call him childish, bm, or ugly all day long. I could care less. But don't pretend to speak for other people.
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On April 05 2011 04:40 LoLAdriankat wrote:
Can we just conclude that both IdrA and HuK are childish and that the Starcraft community is way too sensitive to "BM"?
yes
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On April 05 2011 04:35 yosef wrote:
I think you suck yamato !!!! i am bm and part of the community...i probably play way more starcraft and i watch everything and have loved this game since i first played it and i still can have these feellings...Huk messaged Idra in the start of the game after idra just lost. I guess you never been in that situation but it is very disrespectful and fuck off is about the exact thing that comes to mind. You are one of those morons who get offended by everything for no reason. You are actually allowed to get offended by the way. Childish behavior is a matter of opinion and in some people's opinion being a scared nerd afraid to say what you really think could be called childish.
Way to go, you're clever.
I never said I was offended by it, I said it was childish. It's not about being afraid to say anything, it's about knowing that trash talk is pointless and stupid unless you're actually right, and then why would you need to trash talk anyway? If you're better, be better and beat the other guy. Don't be BM. In that case, both of them were. It's not funny, and all of you focus on it like it's the most important thing in the games that happened.
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On April 05 2011 04:40 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 04:22 sereniity wrote:On April 05 2011 04:10 Mailing wrote:
I can't believe how fucking whiny you people are about "BM"
The entire term is stupid, pulled from a country with hyper strict moral values that has nothing to do with western esports or life at all.
There is a reason idra is the most popular foreigner. There is a reason Destiny is the most popular streamer.
Believe it or not your skewed view on morals is the minority.
I kind of agree with this... if people actually want sc2 to grow big as an esport you will have to accept that some people in sports ARE bad mannered, in most communities BM people get embraced, not rejected... SC2 becoming bigger will attract more and more competitive people, I don't know if the sc2 community checks out the Halo community or the Xbox community in general but it's pretty damn bad, BM all over in fact... Now, I can promise you that alot of people will probably come over from there to try out SC2, some might even become pro and guess what, the BM will most likely follow. Every sport has BM included, if two people start fighting in a hockeymatch, do you go on some hockey forum and say "OMG THAT GUY JUST GAVE THAT GUY A RIGHT HOOK, SO BM".... No, you don't... I'm not saying that BM is something that everybody should do, but it wont go away because you whine about it, it will become even bigger. I hate comparisons to sports, Starcraft 2 is nothing like any of those sports, and certainly not like hockey...
It's not about what sport it is, it's about top players/fighters/footballplayers whatever you call it, are emotional about what they do, how is it strange to get mad over losing something that's basically your life, and showing it? It's like everybody said about other sports, they ALL swear, just that they don't have a mic in front of their mouth, people need to realize that.
If Starcraft 2 is going to become a proper "sport", BM will most likely come with the package, besides, spectators LOVES drama, it'd be good for the sport in general, I know this sounds silly but by trying to evaporate BM, you're kind of working against SC2 reaching it's full potential when it comes to being interesting to watch.
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On April 05 2011 04:40 LoLAdriankat wrote:
Can we just conclude that both IdrA and HuK are childish and that the Starcraft community is way too sensitive to "BM"?
That amounts to what I was saying, only people can't actually understand that.
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Ever watched Hockey? There are players whose speciality is trash talking/bm. It's hilarious how uninformed some of you are.
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On April 05 2011 04:44 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 04:10 Mailing wrote:
I can't believe how fucking whiny you people are about "BM"
The entire term is stupid, pulled from a country with hyper strict moral values that has nothing to do with western esports or life at all.
There is a reason idra is the most popular foreigner. There is a reason Destiny is the most popular streamer.
Believe it or not your skewed view on morals is the minority.
Idra writes offensive comments between games to cruncher and shit talking him in interviews. Idralings think hilarious and awesome. Cruncher does a smiley face when he wins. Idralings go crazy and say its extremely bad manner. Idra says huk is an idiot, retarded, unskilled. Idralings again think its funny and awesome and people shouldnt be so sensitive. Huk says things about the previous games he won in the next game. Idralings say huk is bad manner, a bad person, and he should be punished. pot, kettle, black.
This post had nothing to do with anything, it's a clear stab at IdrA fans. Edit it, and apologize for wasting my time.
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On April 05 2011 04:37 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 04:34 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On April 05 2011 04:32 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:31 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On April 05 2011 04:28 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:25 Mailing wrote:On April 05 2011 04:19 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:10 Mailing wrote:
I can't believe how fucking whiny you people are about "BM"
The entire term is stupid, pulled from a country with hyper strict moral values that has nothing to do with western esports or life at all.
There is a reason idra is the most popular foreigner. There is a reason Destiny is the most popular streamer.
Believe it or not your skewed view on morals is the minority.
Yeah, let's totally have everyone going around calling each other names when they lose and cursing at them when they do something we think is cheap. That'll turn us right into all the other stupid communities that accept and promote that kind of behavior. It IS childish. You're in the minority here. No one thinks people like IdrA and Destiny are people to look to for moral value. They think the BM is funny and find joy in watching others rage at parts of a game. It's also childish in that laughing at others because they get mad amounts to little more than petty bullying. Unfortunately, everyone on the internet has to act like they're witty and insult other people, so the trend continues even though it's reprehensible behavior. You're coming from some "Cultural Relativism" mindset about morals, when the fact is, the West doesn't really want to put up with stupid BM that's out of place either. A match, even between rivals, shouldn't devolve into a name-calling affair. The most interesting part of the IdrA vs. Huk was the way IdrA beat Huk in the extended series, not what Huk said to him in game 3. Stop promoting BM. Well idra called him "Retarded" in an interview, not in game. Are you going to whine about what people do in their own time now? Do they have to be manner when talking on skype now? How about LADDER games? Should IdrA be nice to everyone on ladder because it might make some armchairs online mad? The rest of your dribble is again, completely opinionated and based on evidence of popularity, wrong. And no, the most interesting thing about the idra vs huk series was that idra backed up his claim. Obviously you're just trying to be some silly contrarian that has no idea what morals are or how people should act in a given situation. If you think BM is fun, then go play another game where people run around and call each other names all day when they lose. Stop complaining to a community that doesn't accept this childish behavior. Stop speaking on behalf of a community. I was unaware you were god of TL or SC2. Well if there's an outrage over BM, obviously the community doesn't like it. Or did you forget what we were talking about here? You think there's an "outrage" over BM because you, a couple of other people, and a crappy gossip website chose to talk about IdrA? There are plenty more instances of people who talk bad about BM than just those. You're just being intentionally inflammatory towards me because you're an IdrA fan and don't like that I called his behavior childish. I'm sorry, but it is. So was Huk's. If you think he's that bad, let your play do the talking. That's what I like to see, and that's why I thought IdrA's beating him in the extended series was more interesting than this stupid BM. Did you actually read anything I posted?
First of all, just look at your signature and we can probably assume you don't even like IdrA in the first place, if that's true, coming here and saying someone is being intentionally inflammatory because he is a fan is completely nonsensical, because you could be put into the "intentionally inflammatory" group as an "anti-IdrA".
And second, you did talk like you're speaking in behalf of a whole community, it doesn't matter if there's lots of people not liking that, there's also a lot of people who defend it, so you can't just claim to be the one who is correct.
And just so you know:
No one thinks people like IdrA and Destiny are people to look to for moral value
I look at him for moral values aswell as moral support. I think he is an example of hard work and perseverance and I think he does a good job standing by his word and his opinion.
Could they be more well-mannered? Yes they could.
Would I like that? Probably yes.
But in the end of the day. the fact is that this is not the case, and I'm not gonna cry because he told HuK to fuckoff after HuK teased him.
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On April 05 2011 04:29 fush wrote:
it's funny, because i seriously doubt either huk or idra are nearly as concerned about this than their fanboys are.
either way, don't think either of them crossed any serious line, though i think idra has what it takes to come up with a wittier counter-troll comment. of course, dropping the f-bomb in today's sheltered society is apparently a sign of the apocalypse.
I lol'ed XDDDDDDDDDD
//tx
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On April 05 2011 04:43 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 04:40 Deadlyfish wrote:On April 05 2011 04:22 sereniity wrote:On April 05 2011 04:10 Mailing wrote:
I can't believe how fucking whiny you people are about "BM"
The entire term is stupid, pulled from a country with hyper strict moral values that has nothing to do with western esports or life at all.
There is a reason idra is the most popular foreigner. There is a reason Destiny is the most popular streamer.
Believe it or not your skewed view on morals is the minority.
I kind of agree with this... if people actually want sc2 to grow big as an esport you will have to accept that some people in sports ARE bad mannered, in most communities BM people get embraced, not rejected... SC2 becoming bigger will attract more and more competitive people, I don't know if the sc2 community checks out the Halo community or the Xbox community in general but it's pretty damn bad, BM all over in fact... Now, I can promise you that alot of people will probably come over from there to try out SC2, some might even become pro and guess what, the BM will most likely follow. Every sport has BM included, if two people start fighting in a hockeymatch, do you go on some hockey forum and say "OMG THAT GUY JUST GAVE THAT GUY A RIGHT HOOK, SO BM".... No, you don't... I'm not saying that BM is something that everybody should do, but it wont go away because you whine about it, it will become even bigger. I hate comparisons to sports, Starcraft 2 is nothing like any of those sports, and certainly not like hockey... It's not about what sport it is, it's about top players/fighters/footballplayers whatever you call it, are emotional about what they do, how is it strange to get mad over losing something that's basically your life, and showing it? It's like everybody said about other sports, they ALL swear, just that they don't have a mic in front of their mouth, people need to realize that. If Starcraft 2 is going to become a proper "sport", BM will most likely come with the package, besides, spectators LOVES drama, it'd be good for the sport in general, I know this sounds silly but by trying to evaporate BM, you're kind of working against SC2 reaching it's full potential when it comes to being interesting to watch.
You're equating getting emotional with being BM. Yes i get mad when i lose, but i dont call my opponent a faggot just because of that. If you really want to compare sc2 to sports i could name so many sports where the players dont BM, i mean how often do you hear something like "oh yea this guy fucking sucks!" in sports? Except maybe in wrestling/boxing 
I dont try to "evaporate BM", I just said i love IdrA being BM, and Cruncher  'ing
I just dont agree that the Starcraft community is too sensitive to BM or whatever. I like the nice manner, makes the drama that much more tasty
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On April 05 2011 04:40 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 04:22 sereniity wrote:On April 05 2011 04:10 Mailing wrote:
I can't believe how fucking whiny you people are about "BM"
The entire term is stupid, pulled from a country with hyper strict moral values that has nothing to do with western esports or life at all.
There is a reason idra is the most popular foreigner. There is a reason Destiny is the most popular streamer.
Believe it or not your skewed view on morals is the minority.
I kind of agree with this... if people actually want sc2 to grow big as an esport you will have to accept that some people in sports ARE bad mannered, in most communities BM people get embraced, not rejected... SC2 becoming bigger will attract more and more competitive people, I don't know if the sc2 community checks out the Halo community or the Xbox community in general but it's pretty damn bad, BM all over in fact... Now, I can promise you that alot of people will probably come over from there to try out SC2, some might even become pro and guess what, the BM will most likely follow. Every sport has BM included, if two people start fighting in a hockeymatch, do you go on some hockey forum and say "OMG THAT GUY JUST GAVE THAT GUY A RIGHT HOOK, SO BM".... No, you don't... I'm not saying that BM is something that everybody should do, but it wont go away because you whine about it, it will become even bigger. The reason BM is so "popular" in other games is because other games are played by 12-15 year old kids who thinks saying "faggot!!" is the coolest thing ever. SC2 is above that, and it's not just a korean thing. Starcraft players being well mannered has alot to do with them being alot more mature. Dont get me wrong, i love drama. I love IdrA calling other people bad or whatever, but if everyone just went around calling each other faggots and hackers every time they lost (halo, CoD), then i'd be pretty sad about it. Also, saying that IdrA and Destiny are popular because of BM just isnt true. TLO/Jinro/Day9/Ret etc. they are all popular because they have such great personalities and they are great players, and they are even more popular than IdrA in my opinion. I hate comparisons to sports, Starcraft 2 is nothing like any of those sports, and certainly not like hockey...
That's a really fucking biased and condescending thing to say. People that play SC2 aren't much different than CoD or Halo players. I guarantee the guys on the Halo or CoD teams at MLG don't sit on stage calling each other faggots all day.
People are fucking assholes in SC2 just as much as other games. It's the same internet people use to play console shooters so you're gonna get the same jackasses. The difference I would say is that in team-oriented games people are more likely to talk shit because they don't have to directly back it up most of the time because their team can just win for them. In a 1v1 situation if you shit talk you BETTER be able to back it up or you're gonna look like a fool, which I think is what makes Idra so awesome is that he CAN back up his shit-talking.
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On April 05 2011 04:10 Mailing wrote:
I can't believe how fucking whiny you people are about "BM"
The entire term is stupid, pulled from a country with hyper strict moral values that has nothing to do with western esports or life at all.
There is a reason idra is the most popular foreigner. There is a reason Destiny is the most popular streamer.
Believe it or not your skewed view on morals is the minority.
I can't speak for elsewhere in the world so maybe you could enlighten me, but in the UK, if a sportsman went around calling people "retarded" they would be viewed as an idiot and published in an extremely negative light. Maybe that's acceptable wherever you are, in which case you have my sympathies.
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On April 05 2011 04:41 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 04:37 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:34 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On April 05 2011 04:32 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:31 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On April 05 2011 04:28 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:25 Mailing wrote:On April 05 2011 04:19 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:10 Mailing wrote:
I can't believe how fucking whiny you people are about "BM"
The entire term is stupid, pulled from a country with hyper strict moral values that has nothing to do with western esports or life at all.
There is a reason idra is the most popular foreigner. There is a reason Destiny is the most popular streamer.
Believe it or not your skewed view on morals is the minority.
Yeah, let's totally have everyone going around calling each other names when they lose and cursing at them when they do something we think is cheap. That'll turn us right into all the other stupid communities that accept and promote that kind of behavior. It IS childish. You're in the minority here. No one thinks people like IdrA and Destiny are people to look to for moral value. They think the BM is funny and find joy in watching others rage at parts of a game. It's also childish in that laughing at others because they get mad amounts to little more than petty bullying. Unfortunately, everyone on the internet has to act like they're witty and insult other people, so the trend continues even though it's reprehensible behavior. You're coming from some "Cultural Relativism" mindset about morals, when the fact is, the West doesn't really want to put up with stupid BM that's out of place either. A match, even between rivals, shouldn't devolve into a name-calling affair. The most interesting part of the IdrA vs. Huk was the way IdrA beat Huk in the extended series, not what Huk said to him in game 3. Stop promoting BM. Well idra called him "Retarded" in an interview, not in game. Are you going to whine about what people do in their own time now? Do they have to be manner when talking on skype now? How about LADDER games? Should IdrA be nice to everyone on ladder because it might make some armchairs online mad? The rest of your dribble is again, completely opinionated and based on evidence of popularity, wrong. And no, the most interesting thing about the idra vs huk series was that idra backed up his claim. Obviously you're just trying to be some silly contrarian that has no idea what morals are or how people should act in a given situation. If you think BM is fun, then go play another game where people run around and call each other names all day when they lose. Stop complaining to a community that doesn't accept this childish behavior. Stop speaking on behalf of a community. I was unaware you were god of TL or SC2. Well if there's an outrage over BM, obviously the community doesn't like it. Or did you forget what we were talking about here? You think there's an "outrage" over BM because you, a couple of other people, and a crappy gossip website chose to talk about IdrA? There are plenty more instances of people who talk bad about BM than just those. You're just being intentionally inflammatory towards me because you're an IdrA fan and don't like that I called his behavior childish. I'm sorry, but it is. So was Huk's. If you think he's that bad, let your play do the talking. That's what I like to see, and that's why I thought IdrA's beating him in the extended series was more interesting than this stupid BM. Did you actually read anything I posted? I did read what you posted, especially the part about how this community supposedly hates bm. I'd say this community, seeing as IdrA is the most popular SC2 player, has voiced that it doesn't care about it nearly as much as you do. You can call him childish, bm, or ugly all day long. I could care less. But don't pretend to speak for other people.
Well, I consider myself a part of the community that doesn't find BM funny or entertaining. I like IdrA, but not because he's BM. He's a good player, and that's what should matter. Liking someone because of their negative attitude is a silly reason to like him, in my book. But I don't care, just don't act like BM is supposedly morally justifiable, because it's not. Stop promoting it.
EDIT: Most of this applies to what Tschis said to me, too. I like IdrA. I just don't care for his BM.
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On April 05 2011 04:24 yosef wrote:
its more fucking rude to message someone in the start of the game after they just lost then to say Huk can't beat me in a real game...
Except those games were real. For reals. I saw them on the Internet.
@Ribbon LOL... Idra: The Charlie Sheen of SC2.
P.S. I hate sentries.
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On April 05 2011 04:50 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 04:41 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On April 05 2011 04:37 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:34 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On April 05 2011 04:32 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:31 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On April 05 2011 04:28 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:25 Mailing wrote:On April 05 2011 04:19 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:10 Mailing wrote:
I can't believe how fucking whiny you people are about "BM"
The entire term is stupid, pulled from a country with hyper strict moral values that has nothing to do with western esports or life at all.
There is a reason idra is the most popular foreigner. There is a reason Destiny is the most popular streamer.
Believe it or not your skewed view on morals is the minority.
Yeah, let's totally have everyone going around calling each other names when they lose and cursing at them when they do something we think is cheap. That'll turn us right into all the other stupid communities that accept and promote that kind of behavior. It IS childish. You're in the minority here. No one thinks people like IdrA and Destiny are people to look to for moral value. They think the BM is funny and find joy in watching others rage at parts of a game. It's also childish in that laughing at others because they get mad amounts to little more than petty bullying. Unfortunately, everyone on the internet has to act like they're witty and insult other people, so the trend continues even though it's reprehensible behavior. You're coming from some "Cultural Relativism" mindset about morals, when the fact is, the West doesn't really want to put up with stupid BM that's out of place either. A match, even between rivals, shouldn't devolve into a name-calling affair. The most interesting part of the IdrA vs. Huk was the way IdrA beat Huk in the extended series, not what Huk said to him in game 3. Stop promoting BM. Well idra called him "Retarded" in an interview, not in game. Are you going to whine about what people do in their own time now? Do they have to be manner when talking on skype now? How about LADDER games? Should IdrA be nice to everyone on ladder because it might make some armchairs online mad? The rest of your dribble is again, completely opinionated and based on evidence of popularity, wrong. And no, the most interesting thing about the idra vs huk series was that idra backed up his claim. Obviously you're just trying to be some silly contrarian that has no idea what morals are or how people should act in a given situation. If you think BM is fun, then go play another game where people run around and call each other names all day when they lose. Stop complaining to a community that doesn't accept this childish behavior. Stop speaking on behalf of a community. I was unaware you were god of TL or SC2. Well if there's an outrage over BM, obviously the community doesn't like it. Or did you forget what we were talking about here? You think there's an "outrage" over BM because you, a couple of other people, and a crappy gossip website chose to talk about IdrA? There are plenty more instances of people who talk bad about BM than just those. You're just being intentionally inflammatory towards me because you're an IdrA fan and don't like that I called his behavior childish. I'm sorry, but it is. So was Huk's. If you think he's that bad, let your play do the talking. That's what I like to see, and that's why I thought IdrA's beating him in the extended series was more interesting than this stupid BM. Did you actually read anything I posted? I did read what you posted, especially the part about how this community supposedly hates bm. I'd say this community, seeing as IdrA is the most popular SC2 player, has voiced that it doesn't care about it nearly as much as you do. You can call him childish, bm, or ugly all day long. I could care less. But don't pretend to speak for other people. Well, I consider myself a part of the community that doesn't find BM funny or entertaining. I like IdrA, but not because he's BM. He's a good player, and that's what should matter. Liking someone because of their negative attitude is a silly reason to like him, in my book. But I don't care, just don't act like BM is supposedly morally justifiable, because it's not. Stop promoting it.
You're quoting Tyler in your signature while he's simultaneously bm'ing 2 people. Stop promoting it. Enabler.
Do you see how ridiculous this discussion is? It doesn't matter. You can like or dislike whoever the fuck you want for any reason you want. Nobody cares. Nobody should care. Don't try to tell other people how they should act or who they should like because of how they act. It's an absurd notion that will never work and only cause further backlash.
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On April 05 2011 04:50 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 04:41 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On April 05 2011 04:37 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:34 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On April 05 2011 04:32 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:31 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On April 05 2011 04:28 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:25 Mailing wrote:On April 05 2011 04:19 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:10 Mailing wrote:
I can't believe how fucking whiny you people are about "BM"
The entire term is stupid, pulled from a country with hyper strict moral values that has nothing to do with western esports or life at all.
There is a reason idra is the most popular foreigner. There is a reason Destiny is the most popular streamer.
Believe it or not your skewed view on morals is the minority.
Yeah, let's totally have everyone going around calling each other names when they lose and cursing at them when they do something we think is cheap. That'll turn us right into all the other stupid communities that accept and promote that kind of behavior. It IS childish. You're in the minority here. No one thinks people like IdrA and Destiny are people to look to for moral value. They think the BM is funny and find joy in watching others rage at parts of a game. It's also childish in that laughing at others because they get mad amounts to little more than petty bullying. Unfortunately, everyone on the internet has to act like they're witty and insult other people, so the trend continues even though it's reprehensible behavior. You're coming from some "Cultural Relativism" mindset about morals, when the fact is, the West doesn't really want to put up with stupid BM that's out of place either. A match, even between rivals, shouldn't devolve into a name-calling affair. The most interesting part of the IdrA vs. Huk was the way IdrA beat Huk in the extended series, not what Huk said to him in game 3. Stop promoting BM. Well idra called him "Retarded" in an interview, not in game. Are you going to whine about what people do in their own time now? Do they have to be manner when talking on skype now? How about LADDER games? Should IdrA be nice to everyone on ladder because it might make some armchairs online mad? The rest of your dribble is again, completely opinionated and based on evidence of popularity, wrong. And no, the most interesting thing about the idra vs huk series was that idra backed up his claim. Obviously you're just trying to be some silly contrarian that has no idea what morals are or how people should act in a given situation. If you think BM is fun, then go play another game where people run around and call each other names all day when they lose. Stop complaining to a community that doesn't accept this childish behavior. Stop speaking on behalf of a community. I was unaware you were god of TL or SC2. Well if there's an outrage over BM, obviously the community doesn't like it. Or did you forget what we were talking about here? You think there's an "outrage" over BM because you, a couple of other people, and a crappy gossip website chose to talk about IdrA? There are plenty more instances of people who talk bad about BM than just those. You're just being intentionally inflammatory towards me because you're an IdrA fan and don't like that I called his behavior childish. I'm sorry, but it is. So was Huk's. If you think he's that bad, let your play do the talking. That's what I like to see, and that's why I thought IdrA's beating him in the extended series was more interesting than this stupid BM. Did you actually read anything I posted? I did read what you posted, especially the part about how this community supposedly hates bm. I'd say this community, seeing as IdrA is the most popular SC2 player, has voiced that it doesn't care about it nearly as much as you do. You can call him childish, bm, or ugly all day long. I could care less. But don't pretend to speak for other people. Well, I consider myself a part of the community that doesn't find BM funny or entertaining. I like IdrA, but not because he's BM. He's a good player, and that's what should matter. Liking someone because of their negative attitude is a silly reason to like him, in my book. But I don't care, just don't act like BM is supposedly morally justifiable, because it's not. Stop promoting it.
You see, I think I understand what you're trying to say.
But in my opinion, it's not about glorifying the BM or promoting it (at least I don't have such intentions).
It's about not punishing someone for doing it when he is being teased in the first place.
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without some drama/trash talking, some of these series wouldn't be as enjoyable. the idra vs. huk series in particular wasn't too interesting from a gameplay perspective, and i felt there were some fuckups (one of them huge, obviously) from both players. one calling the other retarded or bad adds to the entertainment of it, imo.
personally i'd rather them talk about something like mkp's crazy micro or jinro's macro (i didn't watch that much of this MLG, but who did? :\), but this is good enough, considering the trainwreck that was mlg dallas 2010.
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BM and drama have everything to do with making the games more interesting for the viewers. Smack talk occurs in all sports (NFL, NBA, soccer, etc.), both on the field (where nobody can hear it) and off the field... and some players (Lebron) have 'raged quit' and not shaken their competitor's hands.
How many of you had nerd chills when you found out that IdrA and Huk were going to face each other for a second time in MLG? The 'bm' that occurred made both series much more enjoyable... I was at the edge of my seat the whole time.
Conversely, how many of you who complain about 'rage' or 'BM' have ever raged or BMed?
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On April 05 2011 04:54 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 04:50 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:41 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On April 05 2011 04:37 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:34 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On April 05 2011 04:32 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:31 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On April 05 2011 04:28 yamato77 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:25 Mailing wrote:On April 05 2011 04:19 yamato77 wrote:
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Yeah, let's totally have everyone going around calling each other names when they lose and cursing at them when they do something we think is cheap. That'll turn us right into all the other stupid communities that accept and promote that kind of behavior. It IS childish.
You're in the minority here. No one thinks people like IdrA and Destiny are people to look to for moral value. They think the BM is funny and find joy in watching others rage at parts of a game. It's also childish in that laughing at others because they get mad amounts to little more than petty bullying. Unfortunately, everyone on the internet has to act like they're witty and insult other people, so the trend continues even though it's reprehensible behavior.
You're coming from some "Cultural Relativism" mindset about morals, when the fact is, the West doesn't really want to put up with stupid BM that's out of place either. A match, even between rivals, shouldn't devolve into a name-calling affair. The most interesting part of the IdrA vs. Huk was the way IdrA beat Huk in the extended series, not what Huk said to him in game 3.
Stop promoting BM. Well idra called him "Retarded" in an interview, not in game. Are you going to whine about what people do in their own time now? Do they have to be manner when talking on skype now? How about LADDER games? Should IdrA be nice to everyone on ladder because it might make some armchairs online mad? The rest of your dribble is again, completely opinionated and based on evidence of popularity, wrong. And no, the most interesting thing about the idra vs huk series was that idra backed up his claim. Obviously you're just trying to be some silly contrarian that has no idea what morals are or how people should act in a given situation. If you think BM is fun, then go play another game where people run around and call each other names all day when they lose. Stop complaining to a community that doesn't accept this childish behavior. Stop speaking on behalf of a community. I was unaware you were god of TL or SC2. Well if there's an outrage over BM, obviously the community doesn't like it. Or did you forget what we were talking about here? You think there's an "outrage" over BM because you, a couple of other people, and a crappy gossip website chose to talk about IdrA? There are plenty more instances of people who talk bad about BM than just those. You're just being intentionally inflammatory towards me because you're an IdrA fan and don't like that I called his behavior childish. I'm sorry, but it is. So was Huk's. If you think he's that bad, let your play do the talking. That's what I like to see, and that's why I thought IdrA's beating him in the extended series was more interesting than this stupid BM. Did you actually read anything I posted? I did read what you posted, especially the part about how this community supposedly hates bm. I'd say this community, seeing as IdrA is the most popular SC2 player, has voiced that it doesn't care about it nearly as much as you do. You can call him childish, bm, or ugly all day long. I could care less. But don't pretend to speak for other people. Well, I consider myself a part of the community that doesn't find BM funny or entertaining. I like IdrA, but not because he's BM. He's a good player, and that's what should matter. Liking someone because of their negative attitude is a silly reason to like him, in my book. But I don't care, just don't act like BM is supposedly morally justifiable, because it's not. Stop promoting it. You're quoting Tyler in your signature while he's simultaneously bm'ing 2 people. Stop promoting it. Enabler. Do you see how ridiculous this discussion is? It doesn't matter. You can like or dislike whoever the fuck you want for any reason you want. Nobody cares. Nobody should care. Don't try to tell other people how they should act or who they should like because of how they act. It's an absurd notion that will never work and only cause further backlash.
Oh, so now no one's actions are reprehensible just because they do them? So if I killed you because I thought you were a worthless human being, that would be okay because no one should tell me how to act? Yeah, that argument doesn't work.
Tyler wasn't being BM. He didn't insult anyone, didn't tell them to fuck off, he just made a joke about how he won. It's not about his "rivalry" with IdrA (which there isn't because IdrA and Tyler both respect each other), it's about how he won those games, which was rather surprising fashion.
No one should care about BM. The fact that people like IdrA or others just because they trash talk is silly and demeaning to the game being played. Like someone because they're good at the game, not because they called someone else a retard in an interview. If that's absurd in your world, I don't want to be a part of it.
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