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On April 05 2011 06:11 zYwi3c wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 06:01 Tschis wrote:On April 05 2011 05:54 DystopiaX wrote:
Yeah, I don't approve of BM but I think the SC definition is taking it too far. IdrA doesn't gg and people start raging and calling him out over the internet- it's 2 characters, says good game, and is now used so often that it's become meaningless. With the interview after Huk, all he said was that Huk couldn't beat him in a straight up game- that's not the name calling that other people in the thread have mentioned, and again it's a completely valid opinion of Idra's- maybe he doesn't think that Huk can beat him straight up. Saying that that is BM is essentially saying that players aren't allowed to have opinions about other players unless that opinion is "He's good" or "I think I can beat him but he's a decent player". It's not only boring, it also seems incredibly restrictive. I don't think that players should be cursing out other players, but there's nothing wrong with one player saying that he's better than the rest, or saying that other players aren't as good as he/she is. + Show Spoiler +
IdrA actually called HuK retarded in another interview (one that wasn't made by the MLG team)
//tx Idra called Huks play style retarted, not him as a person.
No, watch the vid.
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Oh man. That Incontrol Video was priceless. You gotta love geoff. =)
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So whats the chance we can get any of these people: http://www.ign.com/ipl/about
from the IPL on an upcoming episode?
also, sorry to derail this thread from the current discussion of who bm'd who. etc. ZZZ
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On April 05 2011 06:13 Jiddra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 06:11 zYwi3c wrote:On April 05 2011 06:01 Tschis wrote:On April 05 2011 05:54 DystopiaX wrote:
Yeah, I don't approve of BM but I think the SC definition is taking it too far. IdrA doesn't gg and people start raging and calling him out over the internet- it's 2 characters, says good game, and is now used so often that it's become meaningless. With the interview after Huk, all he said was that Huk couldn't beat him in a straight up game- that's not the name calling that other people in the thread have mentioned, and again it's a completely valid opinion of Idra's- maybe he doesn't think that Huk can beat him straight up. Saying that that is BM is essentially saying that players aren't allowed to have opinions about other players unless that opinion is "He's good" or "I think I can beat him but he's a decent player". It's not only boring, it also seems incredibly restrictive. I don't think that players should be cursing out other players, but there's nothing wrong with one player saying that he's better than the rest, or saying that other players aren't as good as he/she is. + Show Spoiler +
IdrA actually called HuK retarded in another interview (one that wasn't made by the MLG team)
//tx Idra called Huks play style retarted, not him as a person. No, watch the vid.
I hadn't seen the vid, but I still don't think it's that bad. I use it casually all the time (even though I shouldn't), and I think Idra was using this in the same manner. Not unexcusable by any means, but I think a lot of the people here are overreacting.
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When I was a kid...
Hah! Very well made video. Especially loved Select. xD
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No Weapon of State of the Live on Three (or whatever)?
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On April 05 2011 06:11 zYwi3c wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 06:01 Tschis wrote:On April 05 2011 05:54 DystopiaX wrote:
Yeah, I don't approve of BM but I think the SC definition is taking it too far. IdrA doesn't gg and people start raging and calling him out over the internet- it's 2 characters, says good game, and is now used so often that it's become meaningless. With the interview after Huk, all he said was that Huk couldn't beat him in a straight up game- that's not the name calling that other people in the thread have mentioned, and again it's a completely valid opinion of Idra's- maybe he doesn't think that Huk can beat him straight up. Saying that that is BM is essentially saying that players aren't allowed to have opinions about other players unless that opinion is "He's good" or "I think I can beat him but he's a decent player". It's not only boring, it also seems incredibly restrictive. I don't think that players should be cursing out other players, but there's nothing wrong with one player saying that he's better than the rest, or saying that other players aren't as good as he/she is. + Show Spoiler +
IdrA actually called HuK retarded in another interview (one that wasn't made by the MLG team)
//tx Idra called Huks play style retarted, not him as a person.
The sound wasn't pretty good, so I can't really "affirm" anything, but I really heard "he wouldn't win at all if he wasn't protoss, he is actually kinda(that?) retarded"
//tx
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I came here hoping to read stuff about the show... Instead this lame conversation..
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I loves me some iNcontroL but how can you go 8-6, get placed 4th in a major tournament, and get guaranteed seeding for the rest of the year?
What a lucky guy. 
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There desperately needs to be a zerg "pillar"
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On April 05 2011 06:57 nvs. wrote:I loves me some iNcontroL but how can you go 8-6, get placed 4th in a major tournament, and get guaranteed seeding for the rest of the year? What a lucky guy.
Well the 4th part...there are 16 seeds. That part is justified. The weird record thing affecting seeding is messed up though. I think the problem isn't with the pool play but rather how they assign points.
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On April 05 2011 06:57 nvs. wrote:I loves me some iNcontroL but how can you go 8-6, get placed 4th in a major tournament, and get guaranteed seeding for the rest of the year? What a lucky guy.
Ever the opportunist. He did say in SotG that he did avoid a lot of the heavy hitters in the pools. If the original top 16 from last season all came back, he would've had to wade through the open bracket. I seriously doubt he would've gotten 4th from there. Nothing against him because he played according to the MLG system. But I hate MLG's system.
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On April 05 2011 07:05 TealLurker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 06:57 nvs. wrote:I loves me some iNcontroL but how can you go 8-6, get placed 4th in a major tournament, and get guaranteed seeding for the rest of the year? What a lucky guy. Ever the opportunist. He did say in SotG that he did avoid a lot of the heavy hitters in the pools. If the original top 16 from last season all came back, he would've had to wade through the open bracket. I seriously doubt he would've gotten 4th from there. Nothing against him because he played according to the MLG system. But I hate MLG's system.
He played well when it mattered, it all comes down to this.
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On April 05 2011 07:20 Bellygareth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 07:05 TealLurker wrote:On April 05 2011 06:57 nvs. wrote:I loves me some iNcontroL but how can you go 8-6, get placed 4th in a major tournament, and get guaranteed seeding for the rest of the year? What a lucky guy. Ever the opportunist. He did say in SotG that he did avoid a lot of the heavy hitters in the pools. If the original top 16 from last season all came back, he would've had to wade through the open bracket. I seriously doubt he would've gotten 4th from there. Nothing against him because he played according to the MLG system. But I hate MLG's system. He played well when it mattered, it all comes down to this.
I don't disagree.
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I was sad watching Select stomp all over Incontrol twice. And then watching Kiwikaki stomp all over Incontrol twice.  Incontrol is a better player than what the stream showed.
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Yeah it's not iNcontrols fault that the setup they have favours the seeds so much. He still had to beat some quality players, beating TLO 4-2 with extended series isn't something to sneeze at.
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On April 05 2011 07:20 Bellygareth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 07:05 TealLurker wrote:On April 05 2011 06:57 nvs. wrote:I loves me some iNcontroL but how can you go 8-6, get placed 4th in a major tournament, and get guaranteed seeding for the rest of the year? What a lucky guy. Ever the opportunist. He did say in SotG that he did avoid a lot of the heavy hitters in the pools. If the original top 16 from last season all came back, he would've had to wade through the open bracket. I seriously doubt he would've gotten 4th from there. Nothing against him because he played according to the MLG system. But I hate MLG's system. He played well when it mattered, it all comes down to this.
He played well against terrible players, fared OK and cheesed a lot against out-of-form good players (TLO) and lose in a convincing fashion (at least, he convinced me he was bad) against good players (Select, Kiwikaki).
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On April 05 2011 08:05 KevinIX wrote:I was sad watching Select stomp all over Incontrol twice. And then watching Kiwikaki stomp all over Incontrol twice. Incontrol is a better player than what the stream showed.
That second game against SeleCT he should hve pulled back after the first bust attempt, he did some damage for not much loss but ended up throwing away a good number of units when stim + medivacs came out together which left him with not enough stuff to gaurd his front and drops at the same time. Hindsight is always 20/20 though
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On April 05 2011 08:08 legaton wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 07:20 Bellygareth wrote:On April 05 2011 07:05 TealLurker wrote:On April 05 2011 06:57 nvs. wrote:I loves me some iNcontroL but how can you go 8-6, get placed 4th in a major tournament, and get guaranteed seeding for the rest of the year? What a lucky guy. Ever the opportunist. He did say in SotG that he did avoid a lot of the heavy hitters in the pools. If the original top 16 from last season all came back, he would've had to wade through the open bracket. I seriously doubt he would've gotten 4th from there. Nothing against him because he played according to the MLG system. But I hate MLG's system. He played well when it mattered, it all comes down to this. He played well against terrible players, fared OK and cheesed a lot against out-of-form good players (TLO) and lose in a convincing fashion (at least, he convinced me he was bad) against good players (Select, Kiwikaki).
No players at MLG were "terrible", especially since Incontrol didn't even play in the open bracket where you could argue that some of the marginally less skilled players were.
Incontrol is a decent player and did very very well, you can't take it away from him because of how the pools and brackets played out.
MLG's system is really bad for some of the great players that have to start in the open bracket, but it doesn't favor Top 16 too much because whoever they get to play will be really good anyway.
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incontrol played the bracket well, that's part of winning tournaments too
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