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On April 05 2011 09:12 itmeJP wrote: Tomorrow will prove to be a very interesting show with a ton of people listening-in to see what our thoughts are on this past weekend. I'm so anxious for it.
JP, Invite Sundance to the show ?
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On April 05 2011 11:16 absalom86 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 09:12 itmeJP wrote: Tomorrow will prove to be a very interesting show with a ton of people listening-in to see what our thoughts are on this past weekend. I'm so anxious for it. JP, Invite Sundance to the show ?
if he's not on the show i bet he'll listen in.
which would make JP quite uncomfortable i imagine. Thankfully he's not the most opiniated one of the lot anyways.
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On April 05 2011 11:17 Nidoa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 11:16 absalom86 wrote:On April 05 2011 09:12 itmeJP wrote: Tomorrow will prove to be a very interesting show with a ton of people listening-in to see what our thoughts are on this past weekend. I'm so anxious for it. JP, Invite Sundance to the show ? if he's not on the show i bet he'll listen in. which would make JP quite uncomfortable i imagine. Thankfully he's not the most opiniated one of the lot anyways.
What is there to be uncomfortable about? Everyone knows the stream production was a total disaster and after reading the live thread amongst other ones it couldn't get possibly be any worse.
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On April 05 2011 11:15 Jiddra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 11:14 The KY wrote:On April 05 2011 11:11 Jiddra wrote:On April 05 2011 11:05 The KY wrote:On April 05 2011 08:53 KevinIX wrote:On April 05 2011 08:08 legaton wrote:On April 05 2011 07:20 Bellygareth wrote:On April 05 2011 07:05 TealLurker wrote:On April 05 2011 06:57 nvs. wrote:I loves me some iNcontroL but how can you go 8-6, get placed 4th in a major tournament, and get guaranteed seeding for the rest of the year? What a lucky guy. Ever the opportunist. He did say in SotG that he did avoid a lot of the heavy hitters in the pools. If the original top 16 from last season all came back, he would've had to wade through the open bracket. I seriously doubt he would've gotten 4th from there. Nothing against him because he played according to the MLG system. But I hate MLG's system. He played well when it mattered, it all comes down to this. He played well against terrible players, fared OK and cheesed a lot against out-of-form good players (TLO) and lose in a convincing fashion (at least, he convinced me he was bad) against good players (Select, Kiwikaki). Those were just 2 matches. Any pro is going to have an off day. You can't judge his skill based on a tiny sample of his games. Plus, they were against Select and Kiwikaki. They are incredible players. There's zero shame in losing to them. Ok so according to this discussion Slush who got 9th above players like Idra is terrible, winning with a proxy pylon then having a 30 minute game against TLO is cheese, then losing to amazing players like Select and Kiwi (in a PvP) makes iNcontroL bad. It's time to let go of your pre-conceptions and admit Inc deserves his spot. His group may not have been stacked with favourites but TLO Painuser and Slush aren't 'terrible players' and anyone who says they are is blind. If we would look at this from a distance we will find out that he did not earn his place in the pool, it was given to him thanks to people with higher seed not signing up to the tournament. In a way we could say that Huk helped incontrol in this tournament. But he was there, he played and got the placement he deserves from that. It was a combination of luck and skill. Let me tell you something; every single person who placed highly had a combination of luck and skill. That is the nature of a tournament. Yes he got bumped up one place and got a by into pool play, but to be honest placing top of his group and then getting fourth sort of justifies his being there in the first place. Regardless of whether you think group d was easier than the others or not; he topped it. Please, don't put words in my mouth. read again, thank you.
Should have been clearer, my apologies; that was directed at various people who have claimed that Inc got an easy ride.
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On April 05 2011 11:13 Nidoa wrote: I hope you're going to at least mention that incident TLO and Hot_bid were talking about in TLO's interview, where some fan didn't know who Tyler was (although he knew pretty much every other pro present).
That would be hilarious.
i think it's because Tyler looks the most normal out of them all.
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On April 05 2011 11:15 Creep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 11:05 The KY wrote:On April 05 2011 08:53 KevinIX wrote:On April 05 2011 08:08 legaton wrote:On April 05 2011 07:20 Bellygareth wrote:On April 05 2011 07:05 TealLurker wrote:On April 05 2011 06:57 nvs. wrote:I loves me some iNcontroL but how can you go 8-6, get placed 4th in a major tournament, and get guaranteed seeding for the rest of the year? What a lucky guy. Ever the opportunist. He did say in SotG that he did avoid a lot of the heavy hitters in the pools. If the original top 16 from last season all came back, he would've had to wade through the open bracket. I seriously doubt he would've gotten 4th from there. Nothing against him because he played according to the MLG system. But I hate MLG's system. He played well when it mattered, it all comes down to this. He played well against terrible players, fared OK and cheesed a lot against out-of-form good players (TLO) and lose in a convincing fashion (at least, he convinced me he was bad) against good players (Select, Kiwikaki). Those were just 2 matches. Any pro is going to have an off day. You can't judge his skill based on a tiny sample of his games. Plus, they were against Select and Kiwikaki. They are incredible players. There's zero shame in losing to them. it's not cheese Incontrol said himself on stage that he felt like a big Quesadilla after his first two games against TLO.
*googles quesadilla*
Oh.
Well that's just because he's a nice guy. Still TLO's fault. Not scouting a pylon 3 inches away from your main CC...come on. And besides, Inc proved he can beat TLO in a macro game in their second series anyway.
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please talk about huk and destiny signing the girls chest on the show. I want to hear incontrol and tylers reactions to that especially.
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On April 05 2011 11:16 absalom86 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 09:12 itmeJP wrote: Tomorrow will prove to be a very interesting show with a ton of people listening-in to see what our thoughts are on this past weekend. I'm so anxious for it. JP, Invite Sundance to the show ?
Yes, plz
Talk about what else went wrong, What will be improved and what to expect for future events.
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I'd rather Sundance come on when they've had time to go over what went wrong and made plans for how to avoid it in the future. If he came on now it'd just be "Hey, Sundance, you fucked up"... "Well, yeah, we fucked up. We don't want to do that." Pretty pointless and boring. Invite a player, caster, or media figure who was at MLG so that they can share their thoughts and MLG can listen in and pick up some ideas.
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On April 05 2011 11:43 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 11:16 absalom86 wrote:On April 05 2011 09:12 itmeJP wrote: Tomorrow will prove to be a very interesting show with a ton of people listening-in to see what our thoughts are on this past weekend. I'm so anxious for it. JP, Invite Sundance to the show ? Yes, plz Talk about what else went wrong and what will be improved and what to expect for future events.
I would say let's not have Sundance on. It would be an hour or more of just listening to the poor guy apologize and taking blame for the problems and promising to resolve them for next time. Do we really need to hear that on SOTG? I just don't think it's fair to have him on when there's not going to be anything new to address that wasn't already addressed in his apologies.
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One key thing to keep in mind is all four pillars were at the event, so didn't have to handle the stream issues. By and large the event at the place ran fairly smoothly, from many accounts, although suffered from delays and lag.
To say anything beyond "We heard it went unacceptably bad, but the MLG tech guys said it was the convention center's internet - which MLG even replaced with better tech but still struggled - so hopefully that won't happen again." would be difficult. The stream on Day 1 and Day 2 had so many issues that it went beyond any claims of "corner-cutting" or MLG's errors. It is simply not profitable in the slightest to even the most cynical of minds to have the stream go that badly.
They apparently had staff working through the night and vast amounts of (likely unpaid) overtime. They're offering full refunds on HD passes (which is a net loss in profit by quite a margin), and have promised a change in the future.
What struck me most of all throughout the entire thing was Sundance's twitter. He took huge amounts of flak and personal abuse and kept his cool throughout. Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but I doubt the entire thing could've been handled much better. If it happens again at Columbus, then sure, there's a major issue at the heart of MLG, but otherwise the stream issues aren't a major talking point beyond "Yes, its unacceptably bad".
Of course, nothing should stop them talking about things like the format (it is incredibly difficult to follow and to know when a match is crucial or just sends someone to the loser's bracket. Or how that match effects the tournament as a whole) - or delays between play. QXC ranted a fair bit in an interview with the wonderful MrBitters about such delays, and it sounds a wise talking point.
These are the things that sound like fairer and more interesting topics. I don't think listening to people say "Yep, stream was bad!" for 2hrs would really work, like some are expecting.
I also want to hear about what happened to Tyler, poor guy D:
Grats on 4th iNc, love the show JP, keep it all going, etc, etc.
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On April 05 2011 11:17 Nidoa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 11:16 absalom86 wrote:On April 05 2011 09:12 itmeJP wrote: Tomorrow will prove to be a very interesting show with a ton of people listening-in to see what our thoughts are on this past weekend. I'm so anxious for it. JP, Invite Sundance to the show ? if he's not on the show i bet he'll listen in. which would make JP quite uncomfortable i imagine. Thankfully he's not the most opiniated one of the lot anyways.
This is kind of what I was thinking. You'd hate to bash MLG too hard...considering you were/are 'employed' by them. I wonder to what extent JP and Day[9] will talk about MLG.
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On April 05 2011 11:50 densha wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 11:43 zaii wrote:On April 05 2011 11:16 absalom86 wrote:On April 05 2011 09:12 itmeJP wrote: Tomorrow will prove to be a very interesting show with a ton of people listening-in to see what our thoughts are on this past weekend. I'm so anxious for it. JP, Invite Sundance to the show ? Yes, plz Talk about what else went wrong and what will be improved and what to expect for future events. I would say let's not have Sundance on. It would be an hour or more of just listening to the poor guy apologize and taking blame for the problems and promising to resolve them for next time. Do we really need to hear that on SOTG? I just don't think it's fair to have him on when there's not going to be anything new to address that wasn't already addressed in his apologies.
Yea, he should decline if he knew what is best for him.
Sundance should not talk to any community without a plan, how to improve to the next event, that he can show. He should be on when they have figured out what to do about this mess.
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Honestly MLG fucked up and they apologized, we all know what happened I dont think much more needs to be said we just need to see if they fix it for next MLG. "hey dude your tournament was fucked up" "yeah sorry it wont happen again" isn't very interesting. Id much rather they focus more on the games and performances at the tournament.
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i think its too early to have Sundance on. Let the man handle the problem internally first and have concrete plans about what to improve the next time around and then invite him.
It will be a boring show just to have him apologize for the whole show. And probably since it was so recent,i imagine he is still very exhausted mentally and physically. It is hard to imagine the pillars will be overly critical of him because of that. Invite him when all the dust settles down.
Let iNcontrol have his moment of glory. The dude deserves it after all the harsh criticism coming his way. Talk with IdrA about the hallucination incident and his sweet revenge. What iNc thinks of extended series now ( don't talk about the format but just how he benefits from it in a humorous way) The weekend was depressing enough, lets not have a depressing show.
Oh and of course talk about naniwa's monster run. as well as the gsl world championship.
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I wouldn't really mind getting him on but, as others have said, telling him how bad it was isn't beneficial to anyone since he already knows. Be interesting to discuss some other MLG related things such as possibly booths or any ideas their organization has for further improvement (non tech related).
So my official vote on getting Sundance on the podcast is: I don't care either way. 
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Yea I think it's better if they dish the dirt on everything that happened regarding games, drama and not just about the technical difficulties. Sundance being on will probably make the talk about this stuff nonexistent.
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I'm firmly in the "we don't need to talk about how bad MLG's stream was" camp. Common, folks. It's self-evident. It was a disaster of epic proportions.
What might be worth discussing are other ways to improve the experience, like getting more games broadcast. And I mean stuff like having the next game ready to go after one game finishes so people aren't sitting around waiting for 30 minutes. (This is especially true after the stream goes on a break. When it's 4:25 and you say, "We'll be back on at 5!" and then don't start the next game until 5:30, it's just stupid.)
That plus results from GSL from last week plus NASL stuff and naturally all the awesome games that got played at MLG. Yeah. Talk about that stuff.
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On April 05 2011 11:55 Kisra wrote: One key thing to keep in mind is all four pillars were at the event, so didn't have to handle the stream issues. By and large the event at the place ran fairly smoothly, from many accounts, although suffered from delays and lag.
To say anything beyond "We heard it went unacceptably bad, but the MLG tech guys said it was the convention center's internet - which MLG even replaced with better tech but still struggled - so hopefully that won't happen again." would be difficult. The stream on Day 1 and Day 2 had so many issues that it went beyond any claims of "corner-cutting" or MLG's errors. It is simply not profitable in the slightest to even the most cynical of minds to have the stream go that badly.
Yea I mean the guys freaking casting the thing, you know the guys interacting with the stream for 95% of its time up, would have no idea about all the stream problems.....
anyway I am also looking forward to it, but I think they will be more critical of the no LAN stuff than MLGs streaming issues as, as said, MLG will fix them eventually no matter what.
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