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On April 05 2011 11:55 Kisra wrote:
One key thing to keep in mind is all four pillars were at the event, so didn't have to handle the stream issues. By and large the event at the place ran fairly smoothly, from many accounts, although suffered from delays and lag.
Well I'm pretty sure at least JP and Day9 knew about the stream issues just for the fact that they were forced to have non-game commentary for several hours.
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On April 05 2011 11:55 Kisra wrote:
One key thing to keep in mind is all four pillars were at the event, so didn't have to handle the stream issues. By and large the event at the place ran fairly smoothly, from many accounts, although suffered from delays and lag.
To say anything beyond "We heard it went unacceptably bad, but the MLG tech guys said it was the convention center's internet - which MLG even replaced with better tech but still struggled - so hopefully that won't happen again." would be difficult. The stream on Day 1 and Day 2 had so many issues that it went beyond any claims of "corner-cutting" or MLG's errors. It is simply not profitable in the slightest to even the most cynical of minds to have the stream go that badly.
They apparently had staff working through the night and vast amounts of (likely unpaid) overtime. They're offering full refunds on HD passes (which is a net loss in profit by quite a margin), and have promised a change in the future.
What struck me most of all throughout the entire thing was Sundance's twitter. He took huge amounts of flak and personal abuse and kept his cool throughout. Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but I doubt the entire thing could've been handled much better. If it happens again at Columbus, then sure, there's a major issue at the heart of MLG, but otherwise the stream issues aren't a major talking point beyond "Yes, its unacceptably bad".
Of course, nothing should stop them talking about things like the format (it is incredibly difficult to follow and to know when a match is crucial or just sends someone to the loser's bracket. Or how that match effects the tournament as a whole) - or delays between play. QXC ranted a fair bit in an interview with the wonderful MrBitters about such delays, and it sounds a wise talking point.
These are the things that sound like fairer and more interesting topics. I don't think listening to people say "Yep, stream was bad!" for 2hrs would really work, like some are expecting.
I also want to hear about what happened to Tyler, poor guy D:
Grats on 4th iNc, love the show JP, keep it all going, etc, etc.
Yeah, there's stuff about MLG that drives me nuts beside the technical issues. Like the tournament format. The lack of broadcasted games in their schedule to begin with. The awards ceremony.
What's plain to us now is that very few people that run MLG actually understand Starcraft 2, its community, and what makes it watchable. It's kind of sad.
I have high hopes for the NASL, just because it seems like a lot of people involved in that project originate from the community here. Hopefully they'll be able to address the obvious.
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On April 05 2011 12:22 venge1155 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 11:55 Kisra wrote:
One key thing to keep in mind is all four pillars were at the event, so didn't have to handle the stream issues. By and large the event at the place ran fairly smoothly, from many accounts, although suffered from delays and lag.
To say anything beyond "We heard it went unacceptably bad, but the MLG tech guys said it was the convention center's internet - which MLG even replaced with better tech but still struggled - so hopefully that won't happen again." would be difficult. The stream on Day 1 and Day 2 had so many issues that it went beyond any claims of "corner-cutting" or MLG's errors. It is simply not profitable in the slightest to even the most cynical of minds to have the stream go that badly.
Yea I mean the guys freaking casting the thing, you know the guys interacting with the stream for 95% of its time up, would have no idea about all the stream problems..... anyway I am also looking forward to it, but I think they will be more critical of the no LAN stuff than MLGs streaming issues as, as said, MLG will fix them eventually no matter what.
They'd know, but they won't know the feeling of what it was like to just sit looking at a "The Stream Will Be Back Momentarily" screen for hours on hours. It's frustrating for them, but I never did say "Had no idea".
The topic isn't a big talking point - it's certainly worth mentioning simply because its an unacceptable think to occur, but it also feels to me like it was an unforseeable issue. Agreed that the lack of LAN and its impact is a far bigger talking point, though.
It did make me realise how much credit Wheat deserves over that weekend, though, I think he had more "dead air filling" time than anyone else.
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I fully expect SOTG to 100% defend MLG and not bash them WHATSOEVER. If you think otherwise..well.. you simply underestimate the power of business and money. They will probably come out and say ya it was poor but it was not their fault etc.. then move on to some other issues that and keep mentioning they can improve on this and that, and will improve etc.. then talk about the games. I think MLG should be dissected 100% to the fullest like what everyone here wants to hear and then talk about everything else as well.
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On April 05 2011 12:31 Cartel wrote:
I fully expect SOTG to 100% defend MLG and not bash them WHATSOEVER. If you think otherwise..well.. you simply underestimate the power of business and money. They will probably come out and say ya it was poor but it was not their fault etc.. then move on to some other issues that and keep mentioning they can improve on this and that, and will improve etc.. then talk about the games. I think MLG should be dissected 100% to the fullest like what everyone here wants to hear and then talk about everything else as well.
I actually think they will dissect MLG but not from the stream standpoint. More on the tournament format and how it was run. It will be interesting to hear about their experience from their own mouths.
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On April 05 2011 12:22 venge1155 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 11:55 Kisra wrote:
One key thing to keep in mind is all four pillars were at the event, so didn't have to handle the stream issues. By and large the event at the place ran fairly smoothly, from many accounts, although suffered from delays and lag.
To say anything beyond "We heard it went unacceptably bad, but the MLG tech guys said it was the convention center's internet - which MLG even replaced with better tech but still struggled - so hopefully that won't happen again." would be difficult. The stream on Day 1 and Day 2 had so many issues that it went beyond any claims of "corner-cutting" or MLG's errors. It is simply not profitable in the slightest to even the most cynical of minds to have the stream go that badly.
Yea I mean the guys freaking casting the thing, you know the guys interacting with the stream for 95% of its time up, would have no idea about all the stream problems..... anyway I am also looking forward to it, but I think they will be more critical of the no LAN stuff than MLGs streaming issues as, as said, MLG will fix them eventually no matter what.
Thing is, just like streaming issues, LAN is an issue that already has a community consensus. LAN and stream stability are both unequivocally beneficial to eSports. Without any more news on the table as to the advancement of either, there's little else to discuss than to cursorily repeat the obvious and then move on.
I personally don't see Blizzard even being allowed to put LAN on their own drawing board until next fiscal year at the earliest.
Anyways I'm impressed with the amount of level-headed posts on this last page (EDIT: last few pages now I guess, damn fast threads) regarding the MLG debacle, especially in as notorious a thread as this. I totally agree that there's no need to desire/demand/expect SotG to lambast MLG or Sundance for hours. MLG fucked up. In the words of Leonard Cohen, "Everybody Knows." On the other hand, there's so much that we don't know that we'll probably learn tomorrow on SotG that I can't wait (as always).
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Please dont invite Sundance. He'll just apologize again and drone on for hours about buying shirts.
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On April 05 2011 12:31 Cartel wrote:
I fully expect SOTG to 100% defend MLG and not bash them WHATSOEVER. If you think otherwise..well.. you simply underestimate the power of business and money. They will probably come out and say ya it was poor but it was not their fault etc.. then move on to some other issues that and keep mentioning they can improve on this and that, and will improve etc.. then talk about the games. I think MLG should be dissected 100% to the fullest like what everyone here wants to hear and then talk about everything else as well.
What good will bashing them do? Nothing
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On April 05 2011 12:29 Kisra wrote:
It did make me realise how much credit Wheat deserves over that weekend, though, I think he had more "dead air filling" time than anyone else.
Dj Wheat is a boss, gentleman and a scholar.
Edit: Void space fixed in post.
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just wondering.. who else hated how they explained each map and how the spawns worked etc? lol so annoying T_T
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I didnt mind, I would need similar help if i ever jumped onto the COD or halo streams
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I would love to here what the State of the game crew think about a game between Naniwa and oGsMC, who would win?
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On April 05 2011 12:42 RykuX wrote:
just wondering.. who else hated how they explained each map and how the spawns worked etc? lol so annoying T_T
It's to help the new viewers, also explains how wheat is casting. You want more ppl to be interested in E-sports don't you? 
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No need for Sundance to show. He already made enough public apologies. Unless he has some candid behind the scenes scrambling story he'd like to tell, I think we all understand he's going to make sure they'll do better next time.
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On April 05 2011 12:42 RykuX wrote:
just wondering.. who else hated how they explained each map and how the spawns worked etc? lol so annoying T_T
MLG gets cross-over viewers from Halo, COD, etc. It's good to have some basic information explained so that they can attract new SC2 fans.
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do a 24 hour episode breaking down each match of MLG and each upcoming match of the IGN and NASL
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On April 05 2011 12:39 Workforce wrote:
Please dont invite Sundance. He'll just apologize again and drone on for hours about buying shirts.
I agree. Does anyone not know what he would say? He'll say that he accepts responsibility for what happened, but that it wasn't actually his fault but that of the ISP or whatever. The ol' backhanded apology.
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On April 05 2011 12:31 Cartel wrote:
I fully expect SOTG to 100% defend MLG and not bash them WHATSOEVER. If you think otherwise..well.. you simply underestimate the power of business and money. They will probably come out and say ya it was poor but it was not their fault etc.. then move on to some other issues that and keep mentioning they can improve on this and that, and will improve etc.. then talk about the games. I think MLG should be dissected 100% to the fullest like what everyone here wants to hear and then talk about everything else as well.
They will indeed bash it, but only a little because what the hell can they do? Even though they might not realize how badly that affects sponsorship. Viewers on livestream watch the ads. So, they watch a match watch 10 hours of commercials then the next match leaving them pissed. This is an important topic, but in the end there isn't much else to say after "the stream was shit." They however as you implied will not kiss MLG's ass because the only person it might affect is JP. Though in the end it is actually in everyone's best interest if they get it right next time because if they lose sponsors these events won't be happening.
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On April 05 2011 12:31 Cartel wrote:
I fully expect SOTG to 100% defend MLG and not bash them WHATSOEVER. If you think otherwise..well.. you simply underestimate the power of business and money. They will probably come out and say ya it was poor but it was not their fault etc.. then move on to some other issues that and keep mentioning they can improve on this and that, and will improve etc.. then talk about the games. I think MLG should be dissected 100% to the fullest like what everyone here wants to hear and then talk about everything else as well.
You might be pleasantly surprised. JP has shown in the past that he doesn't have reservations about voicing disagreement with certain elements of MLG and admitting fault. The most recent and obvious one being the 7 dollar buy in online seeding tournament MLG put out. Basically everyone on the show shot the idea to pieces.
Just wait and see.
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