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On June 29 2012 12:30 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 12:27 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:25 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:22 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:21 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:20 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:19 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:17 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:17 itmeJP wrote:Unfortunately, that happened. Sorry to IdrA and Avilo for creating that situation. I had no idea that was going to happen and I wished it didn't looking back. I was unaware of their past. In regards to the 'bullying' I don't know really anything about Avilo so when I asked him if that was him, it was a sincere question, not a joke. The reason I cut him off abruptly is because it was going downhill very quickly. It was a brash decision but one I stand by. I instantly messaged him afterwards to apologize for having to do that. VOD processing, MP3 up -- http://sotg-sc2.blogspot.com/2012/06/sotg-ep72.html Good. This is the kind of response I'd hope you'd give. Idra and Incontrol, however, have more explaining to do. I don't think idra has to explain shit. He didn't want to talk to avilo and made it clear. Tough shit. He acted like a 9 year old who doesn't want to wake up for school. And? Idra now has to apologize to you and everyone for it? What a joke. Oh no, he doesn't have to. Perhaps it wasn't obvious that what I meant was that if Idra wants to be respected by decent, upstanding people, he should apologize. Of course, he can always do what he usually does and just say "fuck everyone I'm Idra." I'm sure he'll keep his regular demographic of people who idolize this so-called badassery. I dont think he was a badass for cussing or insulting avilo. I think he's a man because he stayed by what he felt instead of putting on a fake smile to talk with someone he didn't expect to talk with / clearly did not want to talk with just to appease people such as yourself. He also let avilo speak after avilo criticized idra for interrupting, then what did avilo do right after? Interrupt and condescendingly keeps saying Idra agrees yet Idra was saying something completely different than what Avilo thought. If I was in idras position, I probably would have told him at that point to stfu as well. I don't think being a "man" is taking down someone else because you think they're not making a good argument. That's called being a child, in my books. I spend a lot of time debating with creationists and bigots, both of whom I think are incredibly ignorant, but I would never dream of insulting them personally, and definitely not to the degree that Idra did. Luckily I didn't say that. Also you know the people you debate? Yeah, I doubt both people in your argument have a history of loathing each other and were forced to speak right? Yeah, thats right.
Nobody here was forced to speak. Idra could very easily have said he didn't wish to appear tonight on SotG, much like other people have done. I have no idea why you're making so many excuses for an adult. Because someone doesn't like you is no excuse to attack their character. Just look at Avilo. He managed to get through the discussion without flaming much at all. And no, interrupting is not flaming.
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On June 29 2012 12:31 deathr0w wrote:
Avilo interrupts idra, idra lashed back now people think it's end of world.
@Shiori you won't get any respect messaging sponsors. If anything you just lost all you had. Stop.
you got it backward, about who started the interruption. I mean the VOD is up
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On June 29 2012 12:28 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 12:25 avilo wrote:
Pretty obvious they brought me on to cut me down, have a laugh/whatever with geoff's incessant giggling or w/e he was doing in the background along with the others. Oh well, I didn't expect to be treated with respect, I at the very least expected some class.
And if somethings I said seemed "not well spoken..." It's a bit tough to bring new points into the discussion as i'm sure QXC probably already brought up most things earlier on in the show, it's also tough when I can hear their condescending laughing in the background as I try to speak, along with putting up a random picture of me like they did to try to get "more laughs." oh wells.
I appreciate being brought on regardless, it would have been nice to have some input during the first TvZ discussion they had earlier on, where the points would have been fresh and I could have added more.
I appreciate that QXC is a baller with class and didn't treat me like dirt beneath his feet, and that nony was at least neutral. If SotG played by the TL forum rules you'd be banned for martyring. I'm sorry people giving you a chance to express yourself despite your own best efforts to antagonize them in the past didn't go quite as smoothly as you hoped, and I'm further sorry that no one else seems to recognize your own brilliance. I'm further sorry that there seems to be some confusion of reality going on between your account and JP's account. But that's ok. You keep on keepin' on, you brave little soldier.
Ummm... How's he martyring? Martyring is saying "OMG ima be banned for this but ima do it anyway, herp derp". Where did Avilo do that?
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On June 29 2012 12:29 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 12:28 SnipedSoul wrote:On June 29 2012 12:27 forsooth wrote:On June 29 2012 12:20 SMD wrote:
Im confused. People keep saying this season of gsl tvz is like 30%. just looking thru code a and code s, I don't see where this number is comming from?
Code A 2 TvZ's, both terrans won....
Code S i see 14-12 TvZ(if i added correctly)... with 7 terrans in ro16.
I understand theres more to determining balance but.... GSTL is 4-13 TvZ and then there's this: + Show Spoiler + Blue is Terran on there? God damn. You know when you look at only Semis and finals (with only 4 players in each and 3 races existing) you can see some pretty uncharacteristic perspectives. I'm sure if you go back to early Release Zerg would look like T does there, and if you back to 2011 during the Sad Zealot days, Protoss would look similar again.
While that's certainly true, it doesn't have anything to do with the current state of the game.
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On June 29 2012 12:31 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 12:25 avilo wrote:
Pretty obvious they brought me on to cut me down, have a laugh/whatever with geoff's incessant giggling or w/e he was doing in the background along with the others. Oh well, I didn't expect to be treated with respect, I at the very least expected some class.
And if somethings I said seemed "not well spoken..." It's a bit tough to bring new points into the discussion as i'm sure QXC probably already brought up most things earlier on in the show, it's also tough when I can hear their condescending laughing in the background as I try to speak, along with putting up a random picture of me like they did to try to get "more laughs." oh wells.
I appreciate being brought on regardless, it would have been nice to have some input during the first TvZ discussion they had earlier on, where the points would have been fresh and I could have added more.
I appreciate that QXC is a baller with class and didn't treat me like dirt beneath his feet, and that nony was at least neutral. Yeah QXC has class, it stands out on that show. You showed alot of character going on the show, even if it was just to get trolled. You have character they obviously don't have. Chin up man.
My only grip is his complaint about the picture. Every guest on that show has always been teased in some way. It is unfortunate that Avilo's first image in google is the one they used and it happens to fir the tease thing perfectly.
Otherwise, leaving of his own accord would have been the most mature decision by Avilo instead of retaliating against the other people in the call similar to how they treated him.
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On June 29 2012 12:32 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 12:30 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:27 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:25 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:22 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:21 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:20 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:19 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:17 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:17 itmeJP wrote:Unfortunately, that happened. Sorry to IdrA and Avilo for creating that situation. I had no idea that was going to happen and I wished it didn't looking back. I was unaware of their past. In regards to the 'bullying' I don't know really anything about Avilo so when I asked him if that was him, it was a sincere question, not a joke. The reason I cut him off abruptly is because it was going downhill very quickly. It was a brash decision but one I stand by. I instantly messaged him afterwards to apologize for having to do that. VOD processing, MP3 up -- http://sotg-sc2.blogspot.com/2012/06/sotg-ep72.html Good. This is the kind of response I'd hope you'd give. Idra and Incontrol, however, have more explaining to do. I don't think idra has to explain shit. He didn't want to talk to avilo and made it clear. Tough shit. He acted like a 9 year old who doesn't want to wake up for school. And? Idra now has to apologize to you and everyone for it? What a joke. Oh no, he doesn't have to. Perhaps it wasn't obvious that what I meant was that if Idra wants to be respected by decent, upstanding people, he should apologize. Of course, he can always do what he usually does and just say "fuck everyone I'm Idra." I'm sure he'll keep his regular demographic of people who idolize this so-called badassery. I dont think he was a badass for cussing or insulting avilo. I think he's a man because he stayed by what he felt instead of putting on a fake smile to talk with someone he didn't expect to talk with / clearly did not want to talk with just to appease people such as yourself. He also let avilo speak after avilo criticized idra for interrupting, then what did avilo do right after? Interrupt and condescendingly keeps saying Idra agrees yet Idra was saying something completely different than what Avilo thought. If I was in idras position, I probably would have told him at that point to stfu as well. I don't think being a "man" is taking down someone else because you think they're not making a good argument. That's called being a child, in my books. I spend a lot of time debating with creationists and bigots, both of whom I think are incredibly ignorant, but I would never dream of insulting them personally, and definitely not to the degree that Idra did. Luckily I didn't say that. Also you know the people you debate? Yeah, I doubt both people in your argument have a history of loathing each other and were forced to speak right? Yeah, thats right. Nobody here was forced to speak. Idra could very easily have said he didn't wish to appear tonight on SotG, much like other people have done. I have no idea why you're making so many excuses for an adult. Because someone doesn't like you is no excuse to attack their character. Just look at Avilo. He managed to get through the discussion without flaming much at all. And no, interrupting is not flaming.
Idra didnt know avilo would be on, he didn't want him to be on and he said he didn't want to talk to him anymore when he'd had enough.
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On June 29 2012 12:25 avilo wrote:
Pretty obvious they brought me on to cut me down, have a laugh/whatever with geoff's incessant giggling or w/e he was doing in the background along with the others. Oh well, I didn't expect to be treated with respect, I at the very least expected some class.
And if somethings I said seemed "not well spoken..." It's a bit tough to bring new points into the discussion as i'm sure QXC probably already brought up most things earlier on in the show, it's also tough when I can hear their condescending laughing in the background as I try to speak, along with putting up a random picture of me like they did to try to get "more laughs." oh wells.
I appreciate being brought on regardless, it would have been nice to have some input during the first TvZ discussion they had earlier on, where the points would have been fresh and I could have added more.
I appreciate that QXC is a baller with class and didn't treat me like dirt beneath his feet, and that nony was at least neutral.
And here we go.
- Idra was condescending, but did you expect anything different? That's just pretty much his status quo.
- You interrupted Idra several times. He actually didn't insult you until after the 3rd or 4th time. iNcontrol even told you to let him finish, but you continued to interrupt him anyway.
- That was the first picture of you on Google. Search "sc2 Avilo" and see what comes up. It's pretty obvious you're just looking for ammunition here.
Don't play the victim here and try to start more shit. You are just as much to blame as JP (who already apologized in a very mature manner, rather than try to instigate something) and Idra if not more, because of the way you conducted yourself.
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On June 29 2012 12:33 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 12:31 sevencck wrote:On June 29 2012 12:25 avilo wrote:
Pretty obvious they brought me on to cut me down, have a laugh/whatever with geoff's incessant giggling or w/e he was doing in the background along with the others. Oh well, I didn't expect to be treated with respect, I at the very least expected some class.
And if somethings I said seemed "not well spoken..." It's a bit tough to bring new points into the discussion as i'm sure QXC probably already brought up most things earlier on in the show, it's also tough when I can hear their condescending laughing in the background as I try to speak, along with putting up a random picture of me like they did to try to get "more laughs." oh wells.
I appreciate being brought on regardless, it would have been nice to have some input during the first TvZ discussion they had earlier on, where the points would have been fresh and I could have added more.
I appreciate that QXC is a baller with class and didn't treat me like dirt beneath his feet, and that nony was at least neutral. Yeah QXC has class, it stands out on that show. You showed alot of character going on the show, even if it was just to get trolled. You have character they obviously don't have. Chin up man. My only grip is his complaint about the picture. Every guest on that show has always been teased in some way. It is unfortunate that Avilo's first image in google is the one they used and it happens to fir the tease thing perfectly. Otherwise, leaving of his own accord would have been the most mature decision by Avilo instead of retaliating against the other people in the call similar to how they treated him.
I am sure the context is quite different when you bring up a friend guest and teases him vs teasing a complete random stranger that you just trashed talk a few minutes ago
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On June 29 2012 12:33 Shaddar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 12:32 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:30 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:27 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:25 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:22 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:21 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:20 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:19 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:17 Shiori wrote:
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Good. This is the kind of response I'd hope you'd give.
Idra and Incontrol, however, have more explaining to do. I don't think idra has to explain shit. He didn't want to talk to avilo and made it clear. Tough shit. He acted like a 9 year old who doesn't want to wake up for school. And? Idra now has to apologize to you and everyone for it? What a joke. Oh no, he doesn't have to. Perhaps it wasn't obvious that what I meant was that if Idra wants to be respected by decent, upstanding people, he should apologize. Of course, he can always do what he usually does and just say "fuck everyone I'm Idra." I'm sure he'll keep his regular demographic of people who idolize this so-called badassery. I dont think he was a badass for cussing or insulting avilo. I think he's a man because he stayed by what he felt instead of putting on a fake smile to talk with someone he didn't expect to talk with / clearly did not want to talk with just to appease people such as yourself. He also let avilo speak after avilo criticized idra for interrupting, then what did avilo do right after? Interrupt and condescendingly keeps saying Idra agrees yet Idra was saying something completely different than what Avilo thought. If I was in idras position, I probably would have told him at that point to stfu as well. I don't think being a "man" is taking down someone else because you think they're not making a good argument. That's called being a child, in my books. I spend a lot of time debating with creationists and bigots, both of whom I think are incredibly ignorant, but I would never dream of insulting them personally, and definitely not to the degree that Idra did. Luckily I didn't say that. Also you know the people you debate? Yeah, I doubt both people in your argument have a history of loathing each other and were forced to speak right? Yeah, thats right. Nobody here was forced to speak. Idra could very easily have said he didn't wish to appear tonight on SotG, much like other people have done. I have no idea why you're making so many excuses for an adult. Because someone doesn't like you is no excuse to attack their character. Just look at Avilo. He managed to get through the discussion without flaming much at all. And no, interrupting is not flaming. Idra didnt know avilo would be on, he didn't want him to be on and he said he didn't want to talk to him anymore when he'd had enough.
Then why didn't he just hang up the Skype call, or not talk?
I still refuse to believe that Idra was simply incapable of behaving like a civilized human being.
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On June 29 2012 12:32 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 12:30 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:27 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:25 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:22 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:21 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:20 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:19 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:17 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:17 itmeJP wrote:Unfortunately, that happened. Sorry to IdrA and Avilo for creating that situation. I had no idea that was going to happen and I wished it didn't looking back. I was unaware of their past. In regards to the 'bullying' I don't know really anything about Avilo so when I asked him if that was him, it was a sincere question, not a joke. The reason I cut him off abruptly is because it was going downhill very quickly. It was a brash decision but one I stand by. I instantly messaged him afterwards to apologize for having to do that. VOD processing, MP3 up -- http://sotg-sc2.blogspot.com/2012/06/sotg-ep72.html Good. This is the kind of response I'd hope you'd give. Idra and Incontrol, however, have more explaining to do. I don't think idra has to explain shit. He didn't want to talk to avilo and made it clear. Tough shit. He acted like a 9 year old who doesn't want to wake up for school. And? Idra now has to apologize to you and everyone for it? What a joke. Oh no, he doesn't have to. Perhaps it wasn't obvious that what I meant was that if Idra wants to be respected by decent, upstanding people, he should apologize. Of course, he can always do what he usually does and just say "fuck everyone I'm Idra." I'm sure he'll keep his regular demographic of people who idolize this so-called badassery. I dont think he was a badass for cussing or insulting avilo. I think he's a man because he stayed by what he felt instead of putting on a fake smile to talk with someone he didn't expect to talk with / clearly did not want to talk with just to appease people such as yourself. He also let avilo speak after avilo criticized idra for interrupting, then what did avilo do right after? Interrupt and condescendingly keeps saying Idra agrees yet Idra was saying something completely different than what Avilo thought. If I was in idras position, I probably would have told him at that point to stfu as well. I don't think being a "man" is taking down someone else because you think they're not making a good argument. That's called being a child, in my books. I spend a lot of time debating with creationists and bigots, both of whom I think are incredibly ignorant, but I would never dream of insulting them personally, and definitely not to the degree that Idra did. Luckily I didn't say that. Also you know the people you debate? Yeah, I doubt both people in your argument have a history of loathing each other and were forced to speak right? Yeah, thats right. Nobody here was forced to speak. Idra could very easily have said he didn't wish to appear tonight on SotG, much like other people have done. I have no idea why you're making so many excuses for an adult. Because someone doesn't like you is no excuse to attack their character. Just look at Avilo. He managed to get through the discussion without flaming much at all. And no, interrupting is not flaming.
He didn't know avilo was showing up making your entire point invalid.
I'm not making excuses for him, you're clearly not reading what I'm writing (based on your last post and this one) if you think I'm just making excuses.
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On June 29 2012 12:32 codonbyte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 12:28 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On June 29 2012 12:25 avilo wrote:
Pretty obvious they brought me on to cut me down, have a laugh/whatever with geoff's incessant giggling or w/e he was doing in the background along with the others. Oh well, I didn't expect to be treated with respect, I at the very least expected some class.
And if somethings I said seemed "not well spoken..." It's a bit tough to bring new points into the discussion as i'm sure QXC probably already brought up most things earlier on in the show, it's also tough when I can hear their condescending laughing in the background as I try to speak, along with putting up a random picture of me like they did to try to get "more laughs." oh wells.
I appreciate being brought on regardless, it would have been nice to have some input during the first TvZ discussion they had earlier on, where the points would have been fresh and I could have added more.
I appreciate that QXC is a baller with class and didn't treat me like dirt beneath his feet, and that nony was at least neutral. If SotG played by the TL forum rules you'd be banned for martyring. I'm sorry people giving you a chance to express yourself despite your own best efforts to antagonize them in the past didn't go quite as smoothly as you hoped, and I'm further sorry that no one else seems to recognize your own brilliance. I'm further sorry that there seems to be some confusion of reality going on between your account and JP's account. But that's ok. You keep on keepin' on, you brave little soldier. Ummm... How's he martyring? Martyring is saying "OMG ima be banned for this but ima do it anyway, herp derp". Where did Avilo do that?
That entire first paragraph and half of the second. 'They brought me on to make me look bad, to have a laugh at my expense in the background and disrespect me to my face, but I came on the show anyway!' That's, like, practically the textbook definition of martyring.
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On June 29 2012 12:32 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 12:30 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:27 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:25 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:22 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:21 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:20 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:19 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:17 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:17 itmeJP wrote:Unfortunately, that happened. Sorry to IdrA and Avilo for creating that situation. I had no idea that was going to happen and I wished it didn't looking back. I was unaware of their past. In regards to the 'bullying' I don't know really anything about Avilo so when I asked him if that was him, it was a sincere question, not a joke. The reason I cut him off abruptly is because it was going downhill very quickly. It was a brash decision but one I stand by. I instantly messaged him afterwards to apologize for having to do that. VOD processing, MP3 up -- http://sotg-sc2.blogspot.com/2012/06/sotg-ep72.html Good. This is the kind of response I'd hope you'd give. Idra and Incontrol, however, have more explaining to do. I don't think idra has to explain shit. He didn't want to talk to avilo and made it clear. Tough shit. He acted like a 9 year old who doesn't want to wake up for school. And? Idra now has to apologize to you and everyone for it? What a joke. Oh no, he doesn't have to. Perhaps it wasn't obvious that what I meant was that if Idra wants to be respected by decent, upstanding people, he should apologize. Of course, he can always do what he usually does and just say "fuck everyone I'm Idra." I'm sure he'll keep his regular demographic of people who idolize this so-called badassery. I dont think he was a badass for cussing or insulting avilo. I think he's a man because he stayed by what he felt instead of putting on a fake smile to talk with someone he didn't expect to talk with / clearly did not want to talk with just to appease people such as yourself. He also let avilo speak after avilo criticized idra for interrupting, then what did avilo do right after? Interrupt and condescendingly keeps saying Idra agrees yet Idra was saying something completely different than what Avilo thought. If I was in idras position, I probably would have told him at that point to stfu as well. I don't think being a "man" is taking down someone else because you think they're not making a good argument. That's called being a child, in my books. I spend a lot of time debating with creationists and bigots, both of whom I think are incredibly ignorant, but I would never dream of insulting them personally, and definitely not to the degree that Idra did. Luckily I didn't say that. Also you know the people you debate? Yeah, I doubt both people in your argument have a history of loathing each other and were forced to speak right? Yeah, thats right. Nobody here was forced to speak. Idra could very easily have said he didn't wish to appear tonight on SotG, much like other people have done. I have no idea why you're making so many excuses for an adult. Because someone doesn't like you is no excuse to attack their character. Just look at Avilo. He managed to get through the discussion without flaming much at all. And no, interrupting is not flaming.
Idra was forced into situation he CLEARLY did not want to be in, so yes, he was forced to speak
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On June 29 2012 12:17 itmeJP wrote:Unfortunately, that happened. Sorry to IdrA and Avilo for creating that situation. I had no idea that was going to happen and I wished it didn't looking back. I was unaware of their past. In regards to the 'bullying' I don't know really anything about Avilo so when I asked him if that was him, it was a sincere question, not a joke. The reason I cut him off abruptly is because it was going downhill very quickly. It was a brash decision but one I stand by. I instantly messaged him afterwards to apologize for having to do that. VOD processing, MP3 up -- http://sotg-sc2.blogspot.com/2012/06/sotg-ep72.html
Good response, I don't blame you for cutting it off in the spur of the moment as it was obvious that things were coming to a head.
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On June 29 2012 12:32 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 12:31 deathr0w wrote:
Avilo interrupts idra, idra lashed back now people think it's end of world.
@Shiori you won't get any respect messaging sponsors. If anything you just lost all you had. Stop.
you got it backward, about who started the interruption. I mean the VOD is up
Not he doesn't. He's just referencing a different part of discussion where Avilo is being illogical and not actually listening to what Idra is saying.
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On June 29 2012 12:25 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 12:25 avilo wrote:
Pretty obvious they brought me on to cut me down, have a laugh/whatever with geoff's incessant giggling or w/e he was doing in the background along with the others. Oh well, I didn't expect to be treated with respect, I at the very least expected some class.
And if somethings I said seemed "not well spoken..." It's a bit tough to bring new points into the discussion as i'm sure QXC probably already brought up most things earlier on in the show, it's also tough when I can hear their condescending laughing in the background as I try to speak, along with putting up a random picture of me like they did to try to get "more laughs." oh wells.
I appreciate being brought on regardless, it would have been nice to have some input during the first TvZ discussion they had earlier on, where the points would have been fresh and I could have added more.
I appreciate that QXC is a baller with class and didn't treat me like dirt beneath his feet, and that nony was at least neutral. Why did you take points Idra made and then claim they were agreeing with you when the contrary was obvious?
If you had followed the argument you would have known exactly what he was going for. Idra argues that terran can still pressure zerg while being economical and Avilo says that queens cost effectively defend most pressure and allow zergs to play more greedy. So their main points weren't the same, but he was trying to point out that Idra at least agreed with what was he thought was part of the problem. In the process of disagreeing with Avilo, Idra said Zerg has the advantage if they can switch techs from ultra to BL back and forth. Avilo's entire point was that this is a problem because the queen buff allows zerg to reach that point easier than terran.
I don't care about the drama or the balance discussion tbh. But the debate really wasn't that hard to follow and lots of people seemed to misunderstand what Avilo was saying before he was cut.
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On June 29 2012 12:17 itmeJP wrote:Unfortunately, that happened. Sorry to IdrA and Avilo for creating that situation. I had no idea that was going to happen and I wished it didn't looking back. I was unaware of their past. In regards to the 'bullying' I don't know really anything about Avilo so when I asked him if that was him, it was a sincere question, not a joke. The reason I cut him off abruptly is because it was going downhill very quickly. It was a brash decision but one I stand by. I instantly messaged him afterwards to apologize for having to do that. VOD processing, MP3 up -- http://sotg-sc2.blogspot.com/2012/06/sotg-ep72.html
Mistaktes can happen, I aprreciate your post and hope this gets sorted out fairly quick.
Its must be hard but keep it up man 
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On June 29 2012 12:34 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 12:32 codonbyte wrote:On June 29 2012 12:28 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On June 29 2012 12:25 avilo wrote:
Pretty obvious they brought me on to cut me down, have a laugh/whatever with geoff's incessant giggling or w/e he was doing in the background along with the others. Oh well, I didn't expect to be treated with respect, I at the very least expected some class.
And if somethings I said seemed "not well spoken..." It's a bit tough to bring new points into the discussion as i'm sure QXC probably already brought up most things earlier on in the show, it's also tough when I can hear their condescending laughing in the background as I try to speak, along with putting up a random picture of me like they did to try to get "more laughs." oh wells.
I appreciate being brought on regardless, it would have been nice to have some input during the first TvZ discussion they had earlier on, where the points would have been fresh and I could have added more.
I appreciate that QXC is a baller with class and didn't treat me like dirt beneath his feet, and that nony was at least neutral. If SotG played by the TL forum rules you'd be banned for martyring. I'm sorry people giving you a chance to express yourself despite your own best efforts to antagonize them in the past didn't go quite as smoothly as you hoped, and I'm further sorry that no one else seems to recognize your own brilliance. I'm further sorry that there seems to be some confusion of reality going on between your account and JP's account. But that's ok. You keep on keepin' on, you brave little soldier. Ummm... How's he martyring? Martyring is saying "OMG ima be banned for this but ima do it anyway, herp derp". Where did Avilo do that? That entire first paragraph and half of the second. 'They brought me on to make me look bad, to have a laugh at my expense in the background and disrespect me to my face, but I came on the show anyway!' That's, like, practically the textbook definition of martyring.
perhaps you should go back and work on your reading comprehension?
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On June 29 2012 12:34 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 12:32 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:30 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:27 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:25 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:22 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:21 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:20 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:19 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:17 Shiori wrote:
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Good. This is the kind of response I'd hope you'd give.
Idra and Incontrol, however, have more explaining to do. I don't think idra has to explain shit. He didn't want to talk to avilo and made it clear. Tough shit. He acted like a 9 year old who doesn't want to wake up for school. And? Idra now has to apologize to you and everyone for it? What a joke. Oh no, he doesn't have to. Perhaps it wasn't obvious that what I meant was that if Idra wants to be respected by decent, upstanding people, he should apologize. Of course, he can always do what he usually does and just say "fuck everyone I'm Idra." I'm sure he'll keep his regular demographic of people who idolize this so-called badassery. I dont think he was a badass for cussing or insulting avilo. I think he's a man because he stayed by what he felt instead of putting on a fake smile to talk with someone he didn't expect to talk with / clearly did not want to talk with just to appease people such as yourself. He also let avilo speak after avilo criticized idra for interrupting, then what did avilo do right after? Interrupt and condescendingly keeps saying Idra agrees yet Idra was saying something completely different than what Avilo thought. If I was in idras position, I probably would have told him at that point to stfu as well. I don't think being a "man" is taking down someone else because you think they're not making a good argument. That's called being a child, in my books. I spend a lot of time debating with creationists and bigots, both of whom I think are incredibly ignorant, but I would never dream of insulting them personally, and definitely not to the degree that Idra did. Luckily I didn't say that. Also you know the people you debate? Yeah, I doubt both people in your argument have a history of loathing each other and were forced to speak right? Yeah, thats right. Nobody here was forced to speak. Idra could very easily have said he didn't wish to appear tonight on SotG, much like other people have done. I have no idea why you're making so many excuses for an adult. Because someone doesn't like you is no excuse to attack their character. Just look at Avilo. He managed to get through the discussion without flaming much at all. And no, interrupting is not flaming. He didn't know avilo was showing up making your entire point invalid. I'm not making excuses for him, you're clearly not reading what I'm writing (based on your last post and this one) if you think I'm just making excuses.
One of the magical things about Skype is that you can hang up when someone you don't like joins the call. And yes, that would have been infinitely less rude than berating someone just because you don't like him. What is this, kindergarten? Can people seriously not control themselves just because they have a bad history with someone?
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Why on earth would you bring Avilo on anyway?
He's always just been a balance whiner, last month he made a blog dedicated to complaining about TvP, and apparently since TvZ is the new flavor of the month for terran balance whiners, he has taken that up too.
I don't think anyone would want to hear a conversation about balance w/ someone of such an idiotic/annoying mentality.
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On June 29 2012 12:36 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 12:34 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:32 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:30 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:27 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:25 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:22 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:21 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 12:20 Shiori wrote:On June 29 2012 12:19 PanN wrote:
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I don't think idra has to explain shit. He didn't want to talk to avilo and made it clear. Tough shit. He acted like a 9 year old who doesn't want to wake up for school. And? Idra now has to apologize to you and everyone for it? What a joke. Oh no, he doesn't have to. Perhaps it wasn't obvious that what I meant was that if Idra wants to be respected by decent, upstanding people, he should apologize. Of course, he can always do what he usually does and just say "fuck everyone I'm Idra." I'm sure he'll keep his regular demographic of people who idolize this so-called badassery. I dont think he was a badass for cussing or insulting avilo. I think he's a man because he stayed by what he felt instead of putting on a fake smile to talk with someone he didn't expect to talk with / clearly did not want to talk with just to appease people such as yourself. He also let avilo speak after avilo criticized idra for interrupting, then what did avilo do right after? Interrupt and condescendingly keeps saying Idra agrees yet Idra was saying something completely different than what Avilo thought. If I was in idras position, I probably would have told him at that point to stfu as well. I don't think being a "man" is taking down someone else because you think they're not making a good argument. That's called being a child, in my books. I spend a lot of time debating with creationists and bigots, both of whom I think are incredibly ignorant, but I would never dream of insulting them personally, and definitely not to the degree that Idra did. Luckily I didn't say that. Also you know the people you debate? Yeah, I doubt both people in your argument have a history of loathing each other and were forced to speak right? Yeah, thats right. Nobody here was forced to speak. Idra could very easily have said he didn't wish to appear tonight on SotG, much like other people have done. I have no idea why you're making so many excuses for an adult. Because someone doesn't like you is no excuse to attack their character. Just look at Avilo. He managed to get through the discussion without flaming much at all. And no, interrupting is not flaming. He didn't know avilo was showing up making your entire point invalid. I'm not making excuses for him, you're clearly not reading what I'm writing (based on your last post and this one) if you think I'm just making excuses. One of the magical things about Skype is that you can hang up when someone you don't like joins the call. And yes, that would have been infinitely less rude than berating someone just because you don't like him. What is this, kindergarten? Can people seriously not control themselves just because they have a bad history with someone?
You're only here complaining because it's Idra and because you can.
If Idra hangs up we have 90 pages of Idra is so unproffessional and you'll still be here complaining about Idra
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