EPTHere's my problem, and, I'm not trying to start a huge public burning or anything, I'm just really disappointed. Why is it so okay for Idra and Geoff to consistently make massive troll assholes out of themselves all the time? Geoff hosts and interviews and coaches and does a lot of other stuff. And it's awesome that he does that, because when he feels like being a nice guy he's a really awesome guy. But being an awesome guy when you feel like it doesn't excuse being a complete disrespectful bully sarcastic troll. I genuinely just don't understand anymore.
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Angel_
United States1617 Posts
Here's my problem, and, I'm not trying to start a huge public burning or anything, I'm just really disappointed. Why is it so okay for Idra and Geoff to consistently make massive troll assholes out of themselves all the time? Geoff hosts and interviews and coaches and does a lot of other stuff. And it's awesome that he does that, because when he feels like being a nice guy he's a really awesome guy. But being an awesome guy when you feel like it doesn't excuse being a complete disrespectful bully sarcastic troll. I genuinely just don't understand anymore. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On June 29 2012 12:25 PanN wrote: I dont think he was a badass for cussing or insulting avilo. I think he's a man because he stayed by what he felt instead of putting on a fake smile to talk with someone he didn't expect to talk with / clearly did not want to talk with just to appease people such as yourself. He also let avilo speak after avilo criticized idra for interrupting, then what did avilo do right after? Interrupt and condescendingly keeps saying Idra agrees yet Idra was saying something completely different than what Avilo thought. If I was in idras position, I probably would have told him at that point to stfu as well. I don't think being a "man" is taking down someone else because you think they're not making a good argument. That's called being a child, in my books. I spend a lot of time debating with creationists and bigots, both of whom I think are incredibly ignorant, but I would never dream of insulting them personally, and definitely not to the degree that Idra did. | ||
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SnipedSoul
Canada2158 Posts
Blue is Terran on there? God damn. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13430 Posts
Seriously, this has to stop one day please? Can't we all be happy SOTG actually talked about the State of the GAME and not the state of the pro-circuit? | ||
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FluiDMaster
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On June 29 2012 12:25 avilo wrote: Pretty obvious they brought me on to cut me down, have a laugh/whatever with geoff's incessant giggling or w/e he was doing in the background along with the others. Oh well, I didn't expect to be treated with respect, I at the very least expected some class. And if somethings I said seemed "not well spoken..." It's a bit tough to bring new points into the discussion as i'm sure QXC probably already brought up most things earlier on in the show, it's also tough when I can hear their condescending laughing in the background as I try to speak, along with putting up a random picture of me like they did to try to get "more laughs." oh wells. I appreciate being brought on regardless, it would have been nice to have some input during the first TvZ discussion they had earlier on, where the points would have been fresh and I could have added more. I appreciate that QXC is a baller with class and didn't treat me like dirt beneath his feet, and that nony was at least neutral. If SotG played by the TL forum rules you'd be banned for martyring. I'm sorry people giving you a chance to express yourself despite your own best efforts to antagonize them in the past didn't go quite as smoothly as you hoped, and I'm further sorry that no one else seems to recognize your own brilliance. I'm further sorry that there seems to be some confusion of reality going on between your account and JP's account. But that's ok. You keep on keepin' on, you brave little soldier. | ||
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NotAPro
Canada146 Posts
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On June 29 2012 12:27 Shiori wrote: I don't think being a "man" is taking down someone else because you think they're not making a good argument. That's called being a child, in my books. I spend a lot of time debating with creationists and bigots, both of whom I think are incredibly ignorant, but I would never dream of insulting them personally, and definitely not to the degree that Idra did. You have an opinion / idea of what happened that is already plainly obviously different to the real way events unfolded, therefore I think it's safe to say that your opinion of being a man is probably going to differ from the majority's. Thanks for your definition | ||
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Shaddar
675 Posts
On June 29 2012 12:27 Angel_ wrote: Look. I don't blame JP really. Either he didn't know, or he guessed it might have but didn't expect THAT. At that point though booting Avilo was really the only thing to do. Here's my problem, and, I'm not trying to start a huge public burning or anything, I'm just really disappointed. Why is it so okay for Idra and Geoff to consistently make massive troll assholes out of themselves all the time? Geoff hosts and interviews and coaches and does a lot of other stuff. And it's awesome that he does that, because when he feels like being a nice guy he's a really awesome guy. But being an awesome guy when you feel like it doesn't excuse being a complete disrespectful bully sarcastic troll. I genuinely just don't understand anymore. Geoff is by far the worse of the two in this situation because he was keen to instigate the whole thing knowing whta would happen, he evng talked about Idras boiling point before bringing avilo on. At least Idra never wanted the whole thing to happen in the first place, I wouldn't call Idra a bully, he can be rude and blunt but he doesnt intentionally create situations like this | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13430 Posts
You know when you look at only Semis and finals (with only 4 players in each and 3 races existing) you can see some pretty uncharacteristic perspectives. I'm sure if you go back to early Release Zerg would look like T does there, and if you back to 2011 during the Sad Zealot days, Protoss would look similar again. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On June 29 2012 12:27 Shiori wrote: I don't think being a "man" is taking down someone else because you think they're not making a good argument. That's called being a child, in my books. I spend a lot of time debating with creationists and bigots, both of whom I think are incredibly ignorant, but I would never dream of insulting them personally, and definitely not to the degree that Idra did. Luckily I didn't say that. Also you know the people you debate? Yeah, I doubt both people in your argument have a history of loathing each other and were forced to speak right? Yeah, thats right. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On June 29 2012 12:29 Denzil wrote: You have an opinion / idea of what happened that is already plainly obviously different to the real way events unfolded, therefore I think it's safe to say that your opinion of being a man is probably going to differ from the majority's. Thanks for your definition ???? A lot of people disagree with me, and a lot of people disagree with you. My view of what being a "man" is (although I would never phrase it in such retardedly macho terms) has nothing to do with SotG. | ||
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deathr0w
United States114 Posts
@Shiori you won't get any respect messaging sponsors. If anything you just lost all you had. Stop. | ||
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Bobo_XIII
United States429 Posts
On June 29 2012 12:24 blade55555 wrote: Well in GSTL zergs (mainly symbol/life) are on killer streaks. Symbol AK'd a team and so did Life I believe? I know Symbol did and Symbol has just been crushing in GSTL (kind of like DRG did before he became a really big name like now). Symbol is also really starting to prove himself as an outlier as he is becoming more and more a tier 1 personality with the likes of DRG/MVP. The dude is seriously shedding some new light and showing how Zerg can be played in an entirely different and very effective way. People are so quick to throw out the GSTL Z win rates whenever they argue about balance and all that, but the fact that Symbol alone is the large makeup of many of those numbers needs to be taken into consideration. He's not just some other Zerg at this point in time. | ||
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sevencck
Canada705 Posts
On June 29 2012 12:25 avilo wrote: Pretty obvious they brought me on to cut me down, have a laugh/whatever with geoff's incessant giggling or w/e he was doing in the background along with the others. Oh well, I didn't expect to be treated with respect, I at the very least expected some class. And if somethings I said seemed "not well spoken..." It's a bit tough to bring new points into the discussion as i'm sure QXC probably already brought up most things earlier on in the show, it's also tough when I can hear their condescending laughing in the background as I try to speak, along with putting up a random picture of me like they did to try to get "more laughs." oh wells. I appreciate being brought on regardless, it would have been nice to have some input during the first TvZ discussion they had earlier on, where the points would have been fresh and I could have added more. I appreciate that QXC is a baller with class and didn't treat me like dirt beneath his feet, and that nony was at least neutral. Yeah QXC has class, it stands out on that show. You showed alot of character going on the show, even if it was just to get trolled. You have character they obviously don't have. Chin up man. | ||
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SMD
Canada627 Posts
Thanks for that, I understand I bit more about it haha. the biggest thing terrans are taking about is the queen range. maybe they should bring it down to 3, but, im not sure that would solve the underlying problem, or this 6 queen business, i think the buff opened a new way to play, so regardless of if the revert it, im not so sure terrans have it much easier if at all | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On June 29 2012 12:28 FluiDMaster wrote: Bottom line is: JP invited Avilo on to SOTG basically put him on the spot.. nobody took him seriously because of the pic and it all happening so fast.. Avilo tried to get his point across.. Incontrol, JP were giggling like a bunch of morons in the background while Avilo and Idra were debating.. all was going fine till Idra pulled out the STFU which began it all basically Idra saying Avilo shouldnt say anything as he "is not a good player". Then JP disrespectfully disconects avilo from the call.. I mean he could've atleast said im gonna break you off as it's turning into a mess but no instead just does this I mean think about what Avilo is thinking right now.. I mean the guy goes onto a show under pressure put on the spot having to talk to crybaby IdrA and then getting cut off is just rude and disrespectful I'm glad we watched the same show about 4 pages back is the correct description of what happened. Incontrol funnily enough was silent, JP opened a screamer. And no everything was not going fine, if you think it was you clearly haven't seen a discussion / debate ever in your life. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On June 29 2012 12:28 FluiDMaster wrote: Bottom line is: JP invited Avilo on to SOTG basically put him on the spot.. nobody took him seriously because of the pic and it all happening so fast.. Avilo tried to get his point across.. Incontrol, JP were giggling like a bunch of morons in the background while Avilo and Idra were debating.. all was going fine till Idra pulled out the STFU which began it all basically Idra saying Avilo shouldnt say anything as he "is not a good player". Then JP disrespectfully disconects avilo from the call.. I mean he could've atleast said im gonna break you off as it's turning into a mess but no instead just does this I mean think about what Avilo is thinking right now.. I mean the guy goes onto a show under pressure put on the spot having to talk to crybaby IdrA and then getting cut off is just rude and disrespectful No, this is not even how it went down. Avilo asked Idra to let him finish when he was speaking, which Idra then did, and then when Idra speaks Avilo basically cuts him off, saying he agrees and twisting Idra's words into his own favour. Then he repeats his flawed arguments, and Idra gets pissed and shuts him down. JP Finally understands that he fucked up and has to do something and cuts Avilo off. Basically it was poorly handeled by everyone, but most of all JP and Incontrol I think | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On June 29 2012 12:26 Hnnngg wrote: Putting words in peoples' mouths, are you Avilo? I find Greg's demeanor cute and endearing. what league are you? I want to know so I can be demanoring cute and endearing to you | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On June 29 2012 12:29 Shaddar wrote: Geoff is by far the worse of the two in this situation because he was keen to instigate the whole thing knowing whta would happen, he evng talked about Idras boiling point before bringing avilo on. At least Idra never wanted the whole thing to happen in the first place, I wouldn't call Idra a bully, he can be rude and blunt but he doesnt intentionally create situations like this "Geoff is by far the worse of the two in this situation because he was keen to instigate the whole thing knowing whta would happen," Doesn't that make him exactly like a significant portion of the community? | ||
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