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IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
May 04 2012 02:19 GMT
#44361
Ugh, I completely forgot about this being on earlier T_T
acgFork
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada397 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 02:30:25
May 04 2012 02:19 GMT
#44362
Yep, the daily dose of SC2 drama. Feels like a freakkn soap opera guys T_T

Artosis: When will The Artosis Hour be back? Or some streaming? I miss you so much, baby.. :"{ </3
acgFork 208
obsidia
Profile Joined October 2010
122 Posts
May 04 2012 02:24 GMT
#44363
I think bad casters are already getting weeded out, or atleast being publically acknowledged as lacking. It's up to them whether to shape up or see how long they can last. It's annoying when people defend them to the hilt for some inane reason like "he's done so much for esports", you do realise they were getting payed handsomely? Argueably people like total biscuit who finance their own tournements and donate any profits back to the players or charity should be the ones getting praised for their contribution, rather than the same grey casters doing commissioned work.

On the other hand many casters are working hard to improve their style and it's really noticeable. I feel sorry for jp that he gets bashed so much when he probably has more game knowledge than the average hater. He knows his limits and doesn't try and overstep them or just add useless generic fluff. I personally really enjoy His casting and it's improved leaps and bounds other the course of mlg's

Wish we could see more of grubby casting, he was amazing at mlg arena. Incredible game knowledge and a pleasure to listen to

McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
May 04 2012 02:31 GMT
#44364
On May 04 2012 11:05 Artosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 10:49 Jono7272 wrote:
On May 04 2012 10:32 Artosis wrote:
Hey guys, just to verify:

Korean casters, of course, are very good and skilled.

BUT. Its a different product. A script + 3 casters, and a set way to do things.

English commentary is thought up on the spot with 2 casters.

Korean commentators, over all, are analytically superior to most English commentary.

Different production values, styles, etc.

Stop with the crazy posts + drama pls, thanks!

:D <3 S2

So nowadays we are all paying more and more to watch; why are we not seeing a increase in production value in one of the most important parts for the viewer, the commentary?

Nearly everyone agreed after watching the subbed Korean commentary it was better, Why can't English commentary have the same effort put into it as Korean commentary?

We realise they are different, but why should they be? Why should English commentary be inferior? (Which in most peoples views, it is.)


Speaking strictly for myself here:

I disagree that the Korean commentary experience is better. I actually do really love it, but at the same time, I really enjoy the freestyle banter between commentators. Examples: Doa + KevinKnocke, MrBitter + Rotterdam, etc.

You are stating these things as if they are facts. Its opinions. Different != worse. Different != better.

Hey, just wanted to say since you are not on that much, thanks for everything you do. You're awesome. Hope you see this.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
May 04 2012 02:47 GMT
#44365
On May 04 2012 11:24 obsidia wrote:
I think bad casters are already getting weeded out, or atleast being publically acknowledged as lacking. It's up to them whether to shape up or see how long they can last. It's annoying when people defend them to the hilt for some inane reason like "he's done so much for esports", you do realise they were getting payed handsomely? Argueably people like total biscuit who finance their own tournements and donate any profits back to the players or charity should be the ones getting praised for their contribution, rather than the same grey casters doing commissioned work.

On the other hand many casters are working hard to improve their style and it's really noticeable. I feel sorry for jp that he gets bashed so much when he probably has more game knowledge than the average hater. He knows his limits and doesn't try and overstep them or just add useless generic fluff. I personally really enjoy His casting and it's improved leaps and bounds other the course of mlg's

Wish we could see more of grubby casting, he was amazing at mlg arena. Incredible game knowledge and a pleasure to listen to



Why do people think casters make a ton of money? They simply don't, there isn't that much money in the scene. Painuser didn't outright disclose his salary, but he hinted on ITG that he makes a LOT less than what people seem to think, and simply would not be doing what he does if he was picking his career based on salary. I can't imagine that IPL pays their casters significantly less than GOM or NASL.
From the void I am born into wave and particle
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 02:57:35
May 04 2012 02:47 GMT
#44366
On May 04 2012 11:05 Artosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 10:49 Jono7272 wrote:
On May 04 2012 10:32 Artosis wrote:
Hey guys, just to verify:

Korean casters, of course, are very good and skilled.

BUT. Its a different product. A script + 3 casters, and a set way to do things.

English commentary is thought up on the spot with 2 casters.

Korean commentators, over all, are analytically superior to most English commentary.

Different production values, styles, etc.

Stop with the crazy posts + drama pls, thanks!

:D <3 S2

So nowadays we are all paying more and more to watch; why are we not seeing a increase in production value in one of the most important parts for the viewer, the commentary?

Nearly everyone agreed after watching the subbed Korean commentary it was better, Why can't English commentary have the same effort put into it as Korean commentary?

We realise they are different, but why should they be? Why should English commentary be inferior? (Which in most peoples views, it is.)


Speaking strictly for myself here:

I disagree that the Korean commentary experience is better. I actually do really love it, but at the same time, I really enjoy the freestyle banter between commentators. Examples: Doa + KevinKnocke, MrBitter + Rotterdam, etc.

You are stating these things as if they are facts. Its opinions. Different != worse. Different != better.

Fair enough. I do love some banter as well, especially when its between you and Tasteless! I can see why you would enjoy more banter when you can do all the analysis yourself! :p (Not something I can do at the same level!)

I was trying not to state it as facts, more as majority opinions. But it is just what I gathered from threads which obviously doesn't represent everyone.

I feel a meeting in the middle would be great, get John to translate the Korean script for you .

Anyway, thanks for giving your thoughts and clarifying things for us! You're my favourite commentator, so keep doing what you're doing :D <3
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Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 02:51:53
May 04 2012 02:48 GMT
#44367
On May 04 2012 11:19 acgFork wrote:
Yep, the daily dose of SC2 drama. Feels like a freakkn soap opera guys T_T

Artosis: When will The Artosis Hour be back? Or some streaming? I miss you so much, baby.. :"{ </3


I agree with you about the Artosis Hour that show was solid gold. So informative. Not sure what the guys said tonight that was so controversial. I think every was very fair and quite reasoned. I think they did such a great job about staying out of naming names (except about Moletrap, but I don't think they wanted really to go too far down that way), and they really just stayed on the issues. I've personally felt that SC2 casters try too much to "predict" what's going on. We don't need to really know what's going to happen. We need to know what's happening. Not just the literal events that are occurring, but also what the things that are happening actually means. Casting at its best is when its helping me understand what's happening including the things I'm not good enough to know are actually happening. Casting at its worst is when there is player bashing and pointless (and wrong) predictions. At least according to me. But different strokes for different folks. Everyone has their favorite casting style and casters.
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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5913 Posts
May 04 2012 02:51 GMT
#44368
Does anyone else want to see a Funday Monday of Funday Mondays where people take a past theme and the replays are compared against each other to determine the most epic Funday Monday?
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Sylverin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States480 Posts
May 04 2012 02:54 GMT
#44369
On May 04 2012 11:51 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Does anyone else want to see a Funday Monday of Funday Mondays where people take a past theme and the replays are compared against each other to determine the most epic Funday Monday?

One word....Uniden. forever GSL champion
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hanlonbro
Profile Joined May 2012
108 Posts
May 04 2012 03:05 GMT
#44370
anyone have a clue as to when the vod comes out? I heard like 2 hours after but I searched MLG site and can't find
tyrless
Profile Joined July 2010
United States485 Posts
May 04 2012 03:23 GMT
#44371
Personally, the reason I pay for regular GSL every time is because of the Tastosis commentary. They, and other excellent casters such as Day9, Incontrol, Apollo, and Husky (and Painuser to a lesser extent), are good because of their ability to make it an ENTERTAINING viewing experience. I can watch GSL with my gf or friends who aren't into SC because those casters make it entertaining for both the casual audience who could not care less about improving their SC skills and people who play the game and want to get better at it.

For the same reason I avoid casts with Wolf, JP, Rob Smith (how did this guy go from making coffee at blizzard to casting MLG?), Gretorp, etc...they are just boring and they seem to be more interested in being part of "the scene" (aka hanging out with and trying to imitate Tastosis or Day9) than anything else.

Good banter is good (see first group of casters I named). Contrived awkward banter is bad (see second group of casters).

Oh and awesome job at getting MP3 up asap, just in time for gym!
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 04 2012 03:24 GMT
#44372
On May 04 2012 12:05 hanlonbro wrote:
anyone have a clue as to when the vod comes out? I heard like 2 hours after but I searched MLG site and can't find

one it doesn't go in mlg's site and it hasn't for months. two, jp will post when the mp3 and vod are up
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Aegeis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1619 Posts
May 04 2012 04:31 GMT
#44373
The MP3 quality is really low JP, still love you though
"Skills to pay the bills" - Artosis, https://twitter.com/AegeisSC2 ,http://www.tumblr.com/blog/socal-esports
Mzimzim
Profile Joined June 2011
United States221 Posts
May 04 2012 05:12 GMT
#44374
Is Day9 still considered a pillar? I think its time for a new addition to the crew
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
May 04 2012 05:18 GMT
#44375
On May 04 2012 11:47 corpuscle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 11:24 obsidia wrote:
I think bad casters are already getting weeded out, or atleast being publically acknowledged as lacking. It's up to them whether to shape up or see how long they can last. It's annoying when people defend them to the hilt for some inane reason like "he's done so much for esports", you do realise they were getting payed handsomely? Argueably people like total biscuit who finance their own tournements and donate any profits back to the players or charity should be the ones getting praised for their contribution, rather than the same grey casters doing commissioned work.

On the other hand many casters are working hard to improve their style and it's really noticeable. I feel sorry for jp that he gets bashed so much when he probably has more game knowledge than the average hater. He knows his limits and doesn't try and overstep them or just add useless generic fluff. I personally really enjoy His casting and it's improved leaps and bounds other the course of mlg's

Wish we could see more of grubby casting, he was amazing at mlg arena. Incredible game knowledge and a pleasure to listen to



Why do people think casters make a ton of money? They simply don't, there isn't that much money in the scene. Painuser didn't outright disclose his salary, but he hinted on ITG that he makes a LOT less than what people seem to think, and simply would not be doing what he does if he was picking his career based on salary. I can't imagine that IPL pays their casters significantly less than GOM or NASL.


effectively, Huk made a tweet forever ago.

Then people blew it up on reddit and made shit up even though half a dozen people actually in the scene declared it was a load of shit.

And then...somehow random people blowing it up on reddit became general "known fact", even though it was called out as being bullshit at the time by people like wheat.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5913 Posts
May 04 2012 05:24 GMT
#44376
On May 04 2012 11:54 Sylverin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 11:51 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Does anyone else want to see a Funday Monday of Funday Mondays where people take a past theme and the replays are compared against each other to determine the most epic Funday Monday?

One word....Uniden. forever GSL champion

Whoops, posted in wrong thread.
[゚n゚] SSSSssssssSSsss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Marine/Raven Guide:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163605
UTL_Unlimited
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Korea (South)353 Posts
May 04 2012 05:31 GMT
#44377
On May 04 2012 14:24 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 11:54 Sylverin wrote:
On May 04 2012 11:51 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Does anyone else want to see a Funday Monday of Funday Mondays where people take a past theme and the replays are compared against each other to determine the most epic Funday Monday?

One word....Uniden. forever GSL champion

Whoops, posted in wrong thread.


lol it's ok. You're the god of memes. Just forgive yourself
Need to write more things...
coolcor
Profile Joined February 2011
520 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 06:09:10
May 04 2012 05:59 GMT
#44378
On May 04 2012 14:18 Angel_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 11:47 corpuscle wrote:
On May 04 2012 11:24 obsidia wrote:
I think bad casters are already getting weeded out, or atleast being publically acknowledged as lacking. It's up to them whether to shape up or see how long they can last. It's annoying when people defend them to the hilt for some inane reason like "he's done so much for esports", you do realise they were getting payed handsomely? Argueably people like total biscuit who finance their own tournements and donate any profits back to the players or charity should be the ones getting praised for their contribution, rather than the same grey casters doing commissioned work.

On the other hand many casters are working hard to improve their style and it's really noticeable. I feel sorry for jp that he gets bashed so much when he probably has more game knowledge than the average hater. He knows his limits and doesn't try and overstep them or just add useless generic fluff. I personally really enjoy His casting and it's improved leaps and bounds other the course of mlg's

Wish we could see more of grubby casting, he was amazing at mlg arena. Incredible game knowledge and a pleasure to listen to



Why do people think casters make a ton of money? They simply don't, there isn't that much money in the scene. Painuser didn't outright disclose his salary, but he hinted on ITG that he makes a LOT less than what people seem to think, and simply would not be doing what he does if he was picking his career based on salary. I can't imagine that IPL pays their casters significantly less than GOM or NASL.


effectively, Huk made a tweet forever ago.

Then people blew it up on reddit and made shit up even though half a dozen people actually in the scene declared it was a load of shit.

And then...somehow random people blowing it up on reddit became general "known fact", even though it was called out as being bullshit at the time by people like wheat.


There is also this post. Why does everybody forget about this post it makes it pretty clear day9 is doing well. Idra also said he's annoyed that day9 pretends he is not doing really well.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=290205&currentpage=9#162

Did you know Day9 made around 20k dream hack weekend?


I really liked Sotg discussion on casters I think they made good points except for that the Korean casters don't count because they have a script thing. Artosis is awesome and I'd like to add wolf to the list of casters everybody seems to like.

I guess my question is wouldn't it be better if someone else was doing all the business behind the scenes work for day9 and husky while they are focusing on being the best caster they can be and making even more content so they get even more popular when they do cast? That seems like the best way instead of making them do both so both sides suffer from divided attention.

Also it would be interesting if someone would dare to make a video analyzing a caster who doesn't know what he's talking about and pointing out all the wrong things and why he's wrong.
Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
May 04 2012 06:53 GMT
#44379
thankful to have vods up already!
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Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
May 04 2012 06:58 GMT
#44380
Thanks for the episode tonight guys, and thanks for the very fast upload JP!
Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
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