On May 04 2012 10:09 Amlitzer wrote: Lost what little respect for SotG I had remaining with this episode. If it wasn't for Artosis being such a consistent contributor to the show, then it would be impossible for me to actually careless about it. Even Artosis has lost a lot of respect in my eyes with mocking his fellow employees at GOM, while in no position to do so, and being so ridiculously defensive about his own casting.
how much respect did you lose though, like how many?
On May 04 2012 10:09 Amlitzer wrote: Lost what little respect for SotG I had remaining with this episode. If it wasn't for Artosis being such a consistent contributor to the show, then it would be impossible for me to actually careless about it. Even Artosis has lost a lot of respect in my eyes with mocking his fellow employees at GOM, while in no position to do so, and being so ridiculously defensive about his own casting.
how much respect did you lose though, like how many?
On May 04 2012 09:52 Sein wrote: Artosis, the Korean casters aren't given some sort of live-analysis during games although they are indeed given statistics and whatnot. They actually see specific actions done by the players and they make very good calls on why the players are doing them. You think there are 20 experts sitting under the table and feeding the casters what to say?
You are the closest English speaking caster to them in terms of high level analysis, but you're missing what people like about the Korean casters, which is that they are good at analysis, not that they have statistics and good stories.
Listen, unless you actually have better inside knowledge on how things work, then Artosis, you arent really in the position to correct him.
You think Mr. Chae is wearing a headset with 20 experts telling him to point out every move and exactly why Boxer is making that viking flower? All Artosis talked about is Mr. Chae and others getting a script before the game containing statistics and stories about each players. That has nothing to do with noticing strategies and explaining them during games.
On May 04 2012 09:52 Sein wrote: Artosis, the Korean casters aren't given some sort of live-analysis during games although they are indeed given statistics and whatnot. They actually see specific actions done by the players and they make very good calls on why the players are doing them. You think there are 20 experts sitting under the table and feeding the casters what to say?
You are the closest English speaking caster to them in terms of high level analysis, but you're missing what people like about the Korean casters, which is that they are good at analysis, not that they have statistics and good stories.
Listen, unless you actually have better inside knowledge on how things work, then Artosis, you arent really in the position to correct him.
You think Mr. Chae is wearing a headset with 20 experts telling him to point out every move and exactly why Boxer is making that viking flower? All Artosis talked about is Mr. Chae and others getting a script before the game. That has nothing to do with noticing strategies and explaining them during games.
I remember when Boxer first did the viking flower, Artosis criticised it, a lot. Then it turned out to be so good that everyone did it and it got removed
On May 04 2012 09:52 Sein wrote: Artosis, the Korean casters aren't given some sort of live-analysis during games although they are indeed given statistics and whatnot. They actually see specific actions done by the players and they make very good calls on why the players are doing them. You think there are 20 experts sitting under the table and feeding the casters what to say?
You are the closest English speaking caster to them in terms of high level analysis, but you're missing what people like about the Korean casters, which is that they are good at analysis, not that they have statistics and good stories.
Listen, unless you actually have better inside knowledge on how things work, then Artosis, you arent really in the position to correct him.
I see. So Artosis is never wrong because he has insights into OGN and former MBC casters and has perfect comprehension of Korean.
Oh wait..
(seriously though look at subtitled BW casts. You'll see that they offer really high level analysis even the Gsl one which was recently subbed. Also artosis has been wrong before.)
After reading the responses to the recently posted balance update, we’ve seen that a lot of players wanted us to elaborate on the current state of the terran versus protoss late game. Before we begin the longer explanation, it’s worth pointing out that we didn’t originally comment on TvP because, overall, this match up remains balanced according to the games we are seeing, tournament results and ladder data.
We do agree that if both sides take few to no losses going into the late game, protoss can have an advantage. That said, we also know that terran players have a lot of offensive capability and harassment options at their fingertips in the mid-game. If terran players press that mid-game advantage, then protoss can’t necessarily get into the late game at their full potential, which can nullify any advantage they might have had. So, pressing that mid-game advantage is important (just as it would be important for protoss players to mitigate mid-game damage so they can to move into the late game in the strongest possible position). Ultimately, each game plays out differently, and depending on how the two races enter the late game, each side has a fair chance to win.
StarCraft II is designed with asymmetric design principles. We like having these differences between the races, as long as no one race or tactic offers a significant advantage. To put it another way, mirror matches already show us what StarCraft II looks like when both opposing forces have identical strengths at each stage of the game. In non-mirror matches we intentionally work to provide diverse strategies that make use of asymmetric design to produce varied, fun and interesting games, while maintaining excellent overall balance. That does mean that at different stages of the game, one race might have tools which represent an advantage against the others--though it’s important that those advantages can always be mitigated by good play.
All of this comes with an important caveat. We are already keeping a close eye on things and observing all stages of the game. If we start seeing our global ladder results shift dramatically or TvP win/loss ratios start to heavily favor one side or the other in major tournaments, we will deal with the situation accordingly.
On May 04 2012 10:20 Jono7272 wrote: Okay, they have a script.. for a live game? How does that even work?
Anyway, If that is what it takes, get these english commentators a fucking script. Just translate the bloody korean one if you have to.
You can't script a game, I think he means they get statistics and other talking points, so they can refer to things without having to completely come up with everything on the spot.
On May 04 2012 10:20 Jono7272 wrote: Okay, they have a script.. for a live game? How does that even work?
Anyway, If that is what it takes, get these english commentators a fucking script. Just translate the bloody korean one if you have to.
Artosis is arguing a fallacy in what makes them good casters. The script they're given is players history, stats, backstory etc. All of these things give 0 advantage in actually analyzing games and is just used to add to the story of the players involved.
On May 04 2012 10:20 Jono7272 wrote: Okay, they have a script.. for a live game? How does that even work?
Anyway, If that is what it takes, get these english commentators a fucking script. Just translate the bloody korean one if you have to.
You can't script a game, I think he means they get statistics and other talking points, so they can refer to things without having to completely come up with everything on the spot.
Exactly. Its called preparation. Something good commentators do.
On May 04 2012 10:20 Jono7272 wrote: Okay, they have a script.. for a live game? How does that even work?
Anyway, If that is what it takes, get these english commentators a fucking script. Just translate the bloody korean one if you have to.
You can't script a game, I think he means they get statistics and other talking points, so they can refer to things without having to completely come up with everything on the spot.
Exactly. Its called preparation. Something good commentators do.
On May 04 2012 09:52 Sein wrote: Artosis, the Korean casters aren't given some sort of live-analysis during games although they are indeed given statistics and whatnot. They actually see specific actions done by the players and they make very good calls on why the players are doing them. You think there are 20 experts sitting under the table and feeding the casters what to say?
You are the closest English speaking caster to them in terms of high level analysis, but you're missing what people like about the Korean casters, which is that they are good at analysis, not that they have statistics and good stories.
Listen, unless you actually have better inside knowledge on how things work, then Artosis, you arent really in the position to correct him.
I'd just like to respond that there is also a difference between being friends with the casters and the work place. If you listen to what the commentators say (I don't know GSL commentators and only OSL and Proleague ones) you can TELL that the stats are statistics. They say (paraphrased of course), "Of we can see that Leta is 5-1 against Stats, so what will happen today..." kind of thing. But past that, what they bring in are ACTUAL knowledge and content.
But Artosis is right in the sense that the two casts give a different product. 3 and 2 are HUGE comparisons and for OSL/Proleague commentators, because they have worked for long periods of time, they have a very strong flow and cooperation with one another. An example of this is after MBC Game closed down and the 'fired' casters got to go to OGN. You could tell from the first 3 weeks of cast that they didn't have good flow with one another. But later on (as in now), they have a very good flow and can take the turns needed to make the commentary extremely pleasant to listen to. It's one of the reason why Tastosis is a great duo cast: they have worked together so well and they are friends they can pick up from one another quickly.
It's just that the initial call out from Artosis sounded somewhat mean that a lot of the Korean commentator listeners were a bit irked.
On May 04 2012 10:27 Noocta wrote: They need to realize how good 5 range queen will be at denying hellions and reapers.
Yeah, I feel like the queen changes are directed towards mitigating some of the effectiveness of hellion openings, which they haven't mentioned at all.
EPT
