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Fueled
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1610 Posts
May 04 2012 01:30 GMT
#44341
On May 04 2012 10:27 Noocta wrote:
They need to realize how good 5 range queen will be at denying hellions and reapers.

Ya it looks like its going towards mainly denying hellions
The Wood League - Where a double gas opening can still mean a Marine/SCV all-in
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
May 04 2012 01:30 GMT
#44342
Does a queen beat 4 hellions now that it cannot be kited? That would be insane. I'm sure it kills 2 hellions which is also stupid if you look at the costs.
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
May 04 2012 01:32 GMT
#44343
Hey guys, just to verify:

Korean casters, of course, are very good and skilled.

BUT. Its a different product. A script + 3 casters, and a set way to do things.

English commentary is thought up on the spot with 2 casters.

Korean commentators, over all, are analytically superior to most English commentary.

Different production values, styles, etc.

Stop with the crazy posts + drama pls, thanks!

:D <3 S2
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
May 04 2012 01:32 GMT
#44344
Hahaha, the rare Sheth troll :D
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 01:35:47
May 04 2012 01:34 GMT
#44345
Hahah, Artosis' face was hilarious when JP told him to unmute and he was about to type into his chat, before he realised JP was trolling him

on the topic of drama, wonder how long it'll take before it starts driving people away from the community, would really hate to see that happening - (might already happen with spectators but I mean community figures)
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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
May 04 2012 01:34 GMT
#44346
TheHandsomeNerd.com status:

Currently down.
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corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
May 04 2012 01:34 GMT
#44347
On May 04 2012 10:30 Jarree wrote:
Does a queen beat 4 hellions now that it cannot be kited? That would be insane. I'm sure it kills 2 hellions which is also stupid if you look at the costs.


It's also worth noting that it's an indirect nerf to reactor hellion into cloaked banshees, which relies in part on doing some extra damage to the queens with your initial hellions.
From the void I am born into wave and particle
LXenJin
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore293 Posts
May 04 2012 01:35 GMT
#44348
handsomenerd just crashed :D LOL
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 04 2012 01:36 GMT
#44349
Thehandsomenerd is down again
Altern
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1053 Posts
May 04 2012 01:38 GMT
#44350
Day9 too cool for sotg
fallenknight
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada19 Posts
May 04 2012 01:38 GMT
#44351
Loving the show as always guys thanks!
start as the weakest, end as the strongest.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 04 2012 01:39 GMT
#44352
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 04 2012 10:32 Artosis wrote:
Hey guys, just to verify:

Korean casters, of course, are very good and skilled.

BUT. Its a different product. A script + 3 casters, and a set way to do things.

English commentary is thought up on the spot with 2 casters.

Korean commentators, over all, are analytically superior to most English commentary.

Different production values, styles, etc.

Stop with the crazy posts + drama pls, thanks!

:D <3 S2


Nice try, but the drama never ends.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Sylverin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States480 Posts
May 04 2012 01:47 GMT
#44353
On May 04 2012 10:32 Artosis wrote:
Hey guys, just to verify:

Korean casters, of course, are very good and skilled.

BUT. Its a different product. A script + 3 casters, and a set way to do things.

English commentary is thought up on the spot with 2 casters.

Korean commentators, over all, are analytically superior to most English commentary.

Different production values, styles, etc.

Stop with the crazy posts + drama pls, thanks!

:D <3 S2

All hail the king :D
some of us knew what you meant.
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Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
May 04 2012 01:49 GMT
#44354
On May 04 2012 10:32 Artosis wrote:
Hey guys, just to verify:

Korean casters, of course, are very good and skilled.

BUT. Its a different product. A script + 3 casters, and a set way to do things.

English commentary is thought up on the spot with 2 casters.

Korean commentators, over all, are analytically superior to most English commentary.

Different production values, styles, etc.

Stop with the crazy posts + drama pls, thanks!

:D <3 S2

So nowadays we are all paying more and more to watch; why are we not seeing a increase in production value in one of the most important parts for the viewer, the commentary?

Nearly everyone agreed after watching the subbed Korean commentary it was better, Why can't English commentary have the same effort put into it as Korean commentary?

We realise they are different, but why should they be? Why should English commentary be inferior? (Which in most peoples views, it is.)
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 04 2012 01:53 GMT
#44355
On May 04 2012 10:49 Jono7272 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 10:32 Artosis wrote:
Hey guys, just to verify:

Korean casters, of course, are very good and skilled.

BUT. Its a different product. A script + 3 casters, and a set way to do things.

English commentary is thought up on the spot with 2 casters.

Korean commentators, over all, are analytically superior to most English commentary.

Different production values, styles, etc.

Stop with the crazy posts + drama pls, thanks!

:D <3 S2

So nowadays we are all paying more and more to watch; why are we not seeing a increase in production value in one of the most important parts for the viewer, the commentary?

Nearly everyone agreed after watching the subbed Korean commentary it was better, Why can't English commentary have the same effort put into it as Korean commentary?

We realise they are different, but why should they be? Why should English commentary be inferior? (Which in most peoples views, it is.)


They talked about this during the show, there's many leagues all around the world and only like 3 or 4 casters get universal positive feedback. They agreed most casters need to work harder, the production value is up to the leagues to implement and not them.
evaunit01
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States512 Posts
May 04 2012 01:59 GMT
#44356
I missed it! When are the vods usually up, since SOTG uses youtube and not twitchtv for vods.
Gamertag: William T. Riker - My life for Aiur!
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
May 04 2012 02:05 GMT
#44357
On May 04 2012 10:49 Jono7272 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 10:32 Artosis wrote:
Hey guys, just to verify:

Korean casters, of course, are very good and skilled.

BUT. Its a different product. A script + 3 casters, and a set way to do things.

English commentary is thought up on the spot with 2 casters.

Korean commentators, over all, are analytically superior to most English commentary.

Different production values, styles, etc.

Stop with the crazy posts + drama pls, thanks!

:D <3 S2

So nowadays we are all paying more and more to watch; why are we not seeing a increase in production value in one of the most important parts for the viewer, the commentary?

Nearly everyone agreed after watching the subbed Korean commentary it was better, Why can't English commentary have the same effort put into it as Korean commentary?

We realise they are different, but why should they be? Why should English commentary be inferior? (Which in most peoples views, it is.)


Speaking strictly for myself here:

I disagree that the Korean commentary experience is better. I actually do really love it, but at the same time, I really enjoy the freestyle banter between commentators. Examples: Doa + KevinKnocke, MrBitter + Rotterdam, etc.

You are stating these things as if they are facts. Its opinions. Different != worse. Different != better.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
UTL_Unlimited
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Korea (South)353 Posts
May 04 2012 02:10 GMT
#44358
On May 04 2012 10:49 Jono7272 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 10:32 Artosis wrote:
Hey guys, just to verify:

Korean casters, of course, are very good and skilled.

BUT. Its a different product. A script + 3 casters, and a set way to do things.

English commentary is thought up on the spot with 2 casters.

Korean commentators, over all, are analytically superior to most English commentary.

Different production values, styles, etc.

Stop with the crazy posts + drama pls, thanks!

:D <3 S2

So nowadays we are all paying more and more to watch; why are we not seeing a increase in production value in one of the most important parts for the viewer, the commentary?

Nearly everyone agreed after watching the subbed Korean commentary it was better, Why can't English commentary have the same effort put into it as Korean commentary?

We realise they are different, but why should they be? Why should English commentary be inferior? (Which in most peoples views, it is.)


? English speaking commentaries for major tournaments have gotten better with experience. I don't understand this point. Korean commentary seem better from a subbed context because of years of experience and production (Yes, even GOM. They had GSLs before the whole SC2 thing) But the English speaking commentaries have made strides in major ways. Of course, I still prefer the Korean commentary more, but that's because it's my native tongue, not because it's inferior in any way. The only thing I would say is inferior is the 'level of excitement one brings about with words', but that's a language difference, nothing more.
Need to write more things...
itmeJP
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1101 Posts
May 04 2012 02:13 GMT
#44359
NonY, Artosis, iNcontroL, and at the last minute Sheth talk about the latest and greatest in SC2 in EP68.

http://sotg-sc2.blogspot.com/2012/05/sotg-ep68.html
Twitter.com/itmeJP -- Twitch.tv/itmeJP -- YouTube.com/itmeJP
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13414 Posts
May 04 2012 02:13 GMT
#44360
On May 04 2012 11:05 Artosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 10:49 Jono7272 wrote:
On May 04 2012 10:32 Artosis wrote:
Hey guys, just to verify:

Korean casters, of course, are very good and skilled.

BUT. Its a different product. A script + 3 casters, and a set way to do things.

English commentary is thought up on the spot with 2 casters.

Korean commentators, over all, are analytically superior to most English commentary.

Different production values, styles, etc.

Stop with the crazy posts + drama pls, thanks!

:D <3 S2

So nowadays we are all paying more and more to watch; why are we not seeing a increase in production value in one of the most important parts for the viewer, the commentary?

Nearly everyone agreed after watching the subbed Korean commentary it was better, Why can't English commentary have the same effort put into it as Korean commentary?

We realise they are different, but why should they be? Why should English commentary be inferior? (Which in most peoples views, it is.)


Speaking strictly for myself here:

I disagree that the Korean commentary experience is better. I actually do really love it, but at the same time, I really enjoy the freestyle banter between commentators. Examples: Doa + KevinKnocke, MrBitter + Rotterdam, etc.

You are stating these things as if they are facts. Its opinions. Different != worse. Different != better.


Grass is greener is all I can say when people want "better" casting.

I love the mix between banter and insight you and Tasteless provide to the community. I personally sometimes just want to relax while watching SC and don't want to think very hard about what is going on so to get both is really nice.

I think its the same reason some people want korean style casting is the same reason some people Kpop and hate american pop. It is exotic and different and people like it when things are different. They think that the other thing is better than what they have (in this case korean casting vs nonkorean casting).

I think it might be influenced by the fact that korean players are put on a pedestal and this same mystique might be getting transferred to the korean casters as well.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
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