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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
On September 21 2011 15:00 outerspace02 wrote: They went on a tangent about halfway through, comparing SC2 to BW spectator-wise. And they've talked about most of that stuff plenty of times before. The answer usually just comes down to "guess we'll have to wait and see""what was ur favorite moment as a player" "what was ur favorite moment as a spectator" right | ||
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ExquisiteRed
396 Posts
On September 21 2011 14:58 TedJustice wrote: were you not listening, or what? They actually covered a lot of that stuff. Not really, the closest they got was when Tyler mentioned his tweet about feeling like he was actually watching pro's play for the the first time in a while when watching the finals. Then they just skipped off into nostalgia land (not complaining tho). It would have been nice if Tyler could have elaborated upon why he felt that way, that way more people get a sense for the far greater depth of BW compared to SC2 and how much more thought and practice pro players have to put into it. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
This is what GSL needs. | ||
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Grettin
42417 Posts
On September 21 2011 15:04 setzer wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og-gULrg1Jo This is what GSL needs. I wonder how many times this has been mentioned already. But you are so right. | ||
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DiaBoLuS
Germany1638 Posts
On September 21 2011 15:03 ExquisiteRed wrote: Not really, the closest they got was when Tyler mentioned his tweet about feeling like he was actually watching pro's play for the the first time in a while when watching the finals. Then they just skipped off into nostalgia land (not complaining tho). It would have been nice if they could have elaborated upon why he felt that way, that way more people get a sense for the far greater depth of BW compared to SC2. you mean the closest to say BW > Sc2? They shouldnt talk about that too much, sc2 needs to develop on its own and not look at bw@korea. | ||
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EtohEtoh
Canada669 Posts
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
On a related note but totally different point, there's really no need to talk about BW any more than they already did is there? Sooner or later they'll run out of stories and you'll be missing them in later episodes. In other words, spread the love. Just to reiterate I'm not a BW hater in the least, but it's in the past for me too. I remember trying like hell to get any of my roommates wanting to play it, but most people were just into what's new back then, or Counterstrike. | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
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ExquisiteRed
396 Posts
On September 21 2011 15:06 DiaBoLuS wrote: you mean the closest to say BW > Sc2? They shouldnt talk about that too much, sc2 needs to develop on its own and not look at bw@korea. not necessarily, that was in reference to what outerspace02 thought should have been addressed, which if you were reading correctly was not just hurr durr bw>than sc2 | ||
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Grettin
42417 Posts
On September 21 2011 15:08 EtohEtoh wrote: i missed most of the show, did they talk about the stephano stuff? Briefly. | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
On September 21 2011 15:01 ketomai wrote: I agree about JP lol. Work on your transitions JP! Not just this time, his transitions/moderating is so abrupt/awkward always. Love BW. I don't think it's always though. I imagine that when JP is abrupt it's because he just wasn't paying attention for whatever reason because he is often perfectly fine at moderating. Honestly I think that most of them zone out because they're doing other things. That's a problem with the format, it's too easy to just start browsing or reading chat, etc. That's why there are so many awkward silences when someone talks for a while. I really think the other guys get too distracted. Of course I don't know for sure, but he didn't play BW so it makes sense to me that he would be bored during that discussion. I can't remember the context for other times when his transitions were weak or he was too abrupt, but I know what you're talking about. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On September 21 2011 15:03 TedJustice wrote: They went on a tangent about halfway through, comparing SC2 to BW spectator-wise. And they've talked about most of that stuff plenty of times before. The answer usually just comes down to "guess we'll have to wait and see" Actually there were concrete takeaways that we have been mentioning for months: 1 - DO NOT show supply/stats/progress tabs during games. It is more exciting to not know everything that is going on. We must start a petition to get major leagues and tournaments to commit to this. We don't want commentators relying on these things to just tell us what we already know. That's like a crappy powerpoint presentation. DO NOT SHOW THEM GSL, MLG, IGN, NASL, IEM, ANYONE PLEASE! 2 - Do not have major individual events so fast (GSL). Rather, have a regular team league to build fans and familiarity with players, develop team personalities and allegiances, as well as a testing ground for new players that get people excited and talking. 3 - Give it time. With the exception of a few players (MVP/Nestea/etc), almost everyone in SC2 right now sucks compared to the current (last 4-5 years) skill level in BroodWar. BW is also more meaningful because of the ongoing history (13 years) - only time can do this. 4 - More meaningful events (as well as regular proleague) will solidify and build the fanbase more than nonstop events - and it will also attract needed sponsors for the Korean scene. | ||
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OopsOopsBaby
Singapore3425 Posts
On September 21 2011 15:06 DiaBoLuS wrote: you mean the closest to say BW > Sc2? They shouldnt talk about that too much, sc2 needs to develop on its own and not look at bw@korea. i dont know how you came to that conclusion when the context of tyler's comments in the show was not to compare which is a better game but to point of the different state of the player skills/strategies for each games. | ||
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itmeJP
United States1101 Posts
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On September 21 2011 15:04 setzer wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og-gULrg1Jo This is what GSL needs. They also need more time to develop a history and talented catalog of players of that caliber. That would not be as meaningful in SC2 with second-tier 2 basing players that don't really have a big fanbase yet. | ||
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Diglett
600 Posts
On September 21 2011 15:06 DiaBoLuS wrote: you mean the closest to say BW > Sc2? They shouldnt talk about that too much, sc2 needs to develop on its own and not look at bw@korea. why not? brood war is the most competitive and successful rts. sc2 is an rts. if sc2 wants to strive to be the best rts then why not look to the best rts for ideas? | ||
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Gnarfle
Sweden170 Posts
On September 21 2011 15:16 itmeJP wrote: http://sotg-sc2.blogspot.com/2011/09/sotg-ep50.html Thanks! That is by the way ridiculously quick and I am now spoiled and will expect this kind of speed everytime you do a state of the game show! | ||
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PhalThrax
United States14 Posts
On September 21 2011 14:51 outerspace02 wrote: the thing is, sotg really needs a BW episode because there are so many rumors that exist about SC2 vs. BW and all this other shit that 95% of TL and all other sc2 communities have 0 idea about because they werent a part of the BW scene and dont have the knowledge and insight to address it this wasnt at all the bw discussion that needed to be had on the show though, even though it was enjoyable. someone actually needs to sit these guys down and ask questions like "where do u think sc2 is going based on your bw experience" and "what are the problems bw faced that sc2 needs to address sooner rather than later" and "in your opinion are there fundamental issues with sc2 that will not allow it to become the game BW eventually became" etc etc etc that is what needed to be talked about in this show but wasnt... [seems like a constant problem with sotg in general] edit: fixed typos I vehemently agree, especially the question in bold. It's not uncommon for regular players to compare the history of BW to the anticipated future of SC2 from a "best case" perspective. But I'd love to hear what some of the pros have to say in regards to what could, or is, potentially holding it back (whether it be in-game design flaws, b.net, game exposure, etc). Perhaps it's been addressed and I'm simply missing it, but I'd love to hear something of this nature on SotG. Excellent points on your part; I 100% agree. | ||
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
We likely won't really have a game anywhere close to BW's level until at least a year after Legacy of the Void comes out. | ||
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Izukue
Canada101 Posts
THANK YOU JP and <3 you all! | ||
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