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nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-21 07:30:20
September 21 2011 07:28 GMT
#31561
On September 21 2011 15:32 darkscream wrote:
I would probably stop watching starcraft if the information was hidden. That would be like watching a football game and not knowing the score. Sure, it creates drama, but only because nobody knows what the fuck is going on.


what... as it is, watching SC2 with the tabs up is really like watching football where they submit the play the offense will be running before each snap.

My analogy makes more sense than yours.
Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
September 21 2011 07:30 GMT
#31562
On September 21 2011 16:00 iamke55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 15:32 darkscream wrote:
I would probably stop watching starcraft if the information was hidden. That would be like watching a football game and not knowing the score. Sure, it creates drama, but only because nobody knows what the fuck is going on.

Having less information made BW games much more exciting. Can you imagine Boxer vs Joyo on Paradoxx if we had production tabs and supply/resources comparisons back then? Nobody would've watched that game twice. Or when Yellow had a perfect lurker contain on Reach on Mercury (heavily imbalanced ZvP map back in the day) and Reach broke out with 20 speedlots out of nowhere? It was an incredibly epic moment for a game 5 which would've been much less exciting if we had this SC2 observer interface.


I can understand hiding production tabs and resources and such, but how can an observer fail on not spotting 20 zealots? hiding information like that on purpose is creating fake drama imo. Oh hey what do you know 40 food of zealots out of no where!
Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
September 21 2011 07:30 GMT
#31563
On September 21 2011 16:11 BrosephBrostar wrote:
Aside from a few comments from idra it seems like the big personalities are really afraid of making direct comparisons between sc1 and sc2. In the show just now you could hear them get close a couple times but then shy away. I can understand why, but it would be really interesting to know how they honestly feel.


If you have the big community figures come out and say the truth about the current state of sc2, then it would deter ALOT of people from watching/playing games. Not the avid fans/players, but the vast majority that watch and are our target audiance.

Can ya guess what most pro's who played BW think of SC2? Yeah...

At least with Idra, he complains about alot of stuff and most people just think, "oh there goes idra again!". But the other big figures, nah they won't come out and just say it.
Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
September 21 2011 07:32 GMT
#31564
I wouldn't mind if supply counts were hidden because I think everyone (both casters and spectators) pay way too much attention to them.
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
September 21 2011 07:36 GMT
#31565
On September 21 2011 16:30 Bayyne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 16:11 BrosephBrostar wrote:
Aside from a few comments from idra it seems like the big personalities are really afraid of making direct comparisons between sc1 and sc2. In the show just now you could hear them get close a couple times but then shy away. I can understand why, but it would be really interesting to know how they honestly feel.


If you have the big community figures come out and say the truth about the current state of sc2, then it would deter ALOT of people from watching/playing games. Not the avid fans/players, but the vast majority that watch and are our target audiance.

Can ya guess what most pro's who played BW think of SC2? Yeah...

At least with Idra, he complains about alot of stuff and most people just think, "oh there goes idra again!". But the other big figures, nah they won't come out and just say it.


I'm pretty sure that most who watch SotG, a show where there's indepth talk about SC2 for 2 hours straight, are already avid fans/players. I'm sure there's lots to learn from professional BW but it's also alot of nostalgia for the SotG pillars. I immediately recognize that nostalgia look Day9 gets when talking about BW, nothing can compare to the game you grew up with and it might be hard to discern what's objectively good and what's nostalgia.
Madera
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
September 21 2011 07:47 GMT
#31566
Thank you for the fast upload. I love listening to SotG when I'm commuting to school. ^__^
ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
September 21 2011 08:08 GMT
#31567
I just watched the VOD and I have to say that I'm really disappointed in Incontrol. Seriously man, you know pretty damn well that europeans are better than americans, you know that the european ladder is harder than the american ladder and just because some randoms were complaining because you didn't know some mediocre europeans you are now making jokes at the expense of an entire continent and it's population?

Sure, this might seem funny to you and other americans, but if you really think most of us don't take offense in that, breaking news, we do.

You get a big fuck you for that, you should be glad europeans don't make web shows where they make fun of americans all night (unlike you do -and let's be honest america gives the rest of the world enough reasons to make fun of them), I really don't think you realize how counter-productive stuff like this. We want to help and support eachother in the foreign scene, all you do is spread hate, show some respec and grow up.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 21 2011 08:09 GMT
#31568
On September 21 2011 17:08 doko100 wrote:
I just watched the VOD and I have to say that I'm really disappointed in Incontrol. Seriously man, you know pretty damn well that europeans are better than americans, you know that the european ladder is harder than the american ladder and just because some randoms were complaining because you didn't know some mediocre europeans you are now making jokes at the expense of an entire continent and it's population?

Sure, this might seem funny to you and other americans, but if you really think most of us don't take offense in that, breaking news, we do.

You get a big fuck you for that, you should be glad europeans don't make web shows where they make fun of americans all night (unlike you do -and let's be honest america gives the rest of the world enough reasons to make fun of them), I really don't think you realize how counter-productive stuff like this. We want to help and support eachother in the foreign scene, all you do is spread hate, show some respec and grow up.


I couldn't hear you over the clatter of your wooden shoes.. what did you say?
ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
September 21 2011 08:14 GMT
#31569
On September 21 2011 17:09 iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 17:08 doko100 wrote:
I just watched the VOD and I have to say that I'm really disappointed in Incontrol. Seriously man, you know pretty damn well that europeans are better than americans, you know that the european ladder is harder than the american ladder and just because some randoms were complaining because you didn't know some mediocre europeans you are now making jokes at the expense of an entire continent and it's population?

Sure, this might seem funny to you and other americans, but if you really think most of us don't take offense in that, breaking news, we do.

You get a big fuck you for that, you should be glad europeans don't make web shows where they make fun of americans all night (unlike you do -and let's be honest america gives the rest of the world enough reasons to make fun of them), I really don't think you realize how counter-productive stuff like this. We want to help and support eachother in the foreign scene, all you do is spread hate, show some respec and grow up.


I couldn't hear you over the clatter of your wooden shoes.. what did you say?


Seriously what did we do to you to deserve this hate? You are making fun of europeans all the time and I really don't understand why, we are actually all nice people and we DON'T ever publicly make fun of americans, or show me a post or video or news report or anything like that where europeans are making fun of americans, you on the other hand make fun of an entire continent and all the people who live there, don't you think you are being unreasonable there? you call it humor, but for some people you are crossing a line, when you make racist jokes (and making fun of an entire continent is racism) you certainly are crossing this line.
Rinny
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States616 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-21 08:19:16
September 21 2011 08:17 GMT
#31570
Making fun of an entire continent that is home to many ethnicities is pretty anti racist. Hes really including everyone.
Where my swarm at? Ye Yeee
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
September 21 2011 08:18 GMT
#31571
On September 21 2011 17:14 doko100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 17:09 iNcontroL wrote:
On September 21 2011 17:08 doko100 wrote:
I just watched the VOD and I have to say that I'm really disappointed in Incontrol. Seriously man, you know pretty damn well that europeans are better than americans, you know that the european ladder is harder than the american ladder and just because some randoms were complaining because you didn't know some mediocre europeans you are now making jokes at the expense of an entire continent and it's population?

Sure, this might seem funny to you and other americans, but if you really think most of us don't take offense in that, breaking news, we do.

You get a big fuck you for that, you should be glad europeans don't make web shows where they make fun of americans all night (unlike you do -and let's be honest america gives the rest of the world enough reasons to make fun of them), I really don't think you realize how counter-productive stuff like this. We want to help and support eachother in the foreign scene, all you do is spread hate, show some respec and grow up.


I couldn't hear you over the clatter of your wooden shoes.. what did you say?


Seriously what did we do to you to deserve this hate? You are making fun of europeans all the time and I really don't understand why, we are actually all nice people and we DON'T ever publicly make fun of americans, or show me a post or video or news report or anything like that where europeans are making fun of americans, you on the other hand make fun of an entire continent and all the people who live there, don't you think you are being unreasonable there? you call it humor, but for some people you are crossing a line, when you make racist jokes (and making fun of an entire continent is racism) you certainly are crossing this line.


Don't even bother.
ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
September 21 2011 08:19 GMT
#31572
On September 21 2011 17:17 Rinny wrote:
Making fun of an entire continent that is home to many ethnicities is pretty anti racist.


It has nothing to do with anti-racism, if you make fun of many different ethnicities you are pretty much as racist as it gets. Anti-racism is if you don't make fun of other ethnicities at all.
aendi
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany43 Posts
September 21 2011 08:19 GMT
#31573
come on doko, we europeans make fun of americans all the time...

plus, they were really obviously trolling; if you can't see that you need more internet time
Rinny
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States616 Posts
September 21 2011 08:21 GMT
#31574
nah man if you make fun of multiple races for the same reason you are basically saying they are equal. The USA has a lot more experience with racial issues so I can understand your confusion.
Where my swarm at? Ye Yeee
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
September 21 2011 08:22 GMT
#31575
On September 21 2011 17:19 doko100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 17:17 Rinny wrote:
Making fun of an entire continent that is home to many ethnicities is pretty anti racist.


It has nothing to do with anti-racism, if you make fun of many different ethnicities you are pretty much as racist as it gets. Anti-racism is if you don't make fun of other ethnicities at all.


i don't think u got the joke....
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Cuiu
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany410 Posts
September 21 2011 08:24 GMT
#31576
On September 21 2011 17:19 doko100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 17:17 Rinny wrote:
Making fun of an entire continent that is home to many ethnicities is pretty anti racist.


It has nothing to do with anti-racism, if you make fun of many different ethnicities you are pretty much as racist as it gets. Anti-racism is if you don't make fun of other ethnicities at all.


you get that they make such jokes because of people like you?
ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
September 21 2011 08:24 GMT
#31577
On September 21 2011 17:19 aendi wrote:
come on doko, we europeans make fun of americans all the time...

plus, they were really obviously trolling; if you can't see that you need more internet time


We never do it publicly on tv shows, Incontrol is an idol for many of us and to see him make fun of my country (continent) really hurts me as a fan, because I actually do love this guy and I support him, but he doesn't really make it easy for me when he talks so much crap about europe.

I don't see why they would do that, it is obviously racist and yes they might have been just trolling, but for me personally it's really offensive because I don't ever hate on americans or make fun of them, so I really don't see where all this hate is coming from, sure there might be some retards who make fun of america, but Incontrol you should know better, you have a shit ton of fans in europe, don't give us a hard time supporting you by making fun of us, it's just not fair because we never did anything to you to deserve this.

You don't have to agree with this opinion, but at least respect it.
suejak
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan545 Posts
September 21 2011 08:27 GMT
#31578
Why the hell are you a fan of iNc if staple iNc humour upsets you so much?
Are you human?
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
September 21 2011 08:28 GMT
#31579
On September 21 2011 17:21 Rinny wrote:
nah man if you make fun of multiple races for the same reason you are basically saying they are equal. The USA has a lot more experience with racial issues so I can understand your confusion.


The US... has more experience with racism... than Europe?

say wut.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
September 21 2011 08:29 GMT
#31580
I played a bit of Brood War when I was much younger, but never followed it as an e-sport.

What I appreciate about the Brood War discussion is that it really put SC2 in perspective. I enjoy SC2 already, but the idea that we're only scratching the surface of what players are capable of makes me really excited to the future.

Cheers guys. Great episode.
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