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On June 29 2011 10:31 Maliris wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 10:29 XKiller wrote:On June 29 2011 10:28 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 09:55 Jayrod wrote:
SOTG made you incontrol lol indeed sad to see incontrol sell out, but then what else is there to be expected from the guy who made gosuguide How is being too busy being a progamer for the game selling out? yeah because he didn't replace sotg with a new podcast or anything and of course SOTG made incontrol. Having a bunch of failed entrepreneurial ventures under his belt and no results until he allin'd everyone to top4 at MLG doesn't make him a success without SOTG. TSLRain anyone? GSL finalist and now he has to resort to joining a foreign team
iNcontroL was a very well-known broodwar player. And a popular player during Beta. JP wouldn't have picked him up if he was a nobody.
Not to say his fanbase and reputation hasn't grown since he got onboard SOTG, but he has definitely always been known by the community.
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I'm curious why this is so different then Idra playing at a tournament sponsored by someone and taking home money for playing there, the tournament still sponsors a different brand then his own and he is apart of it.
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On June 29 2011 10:41 JackhammerIV wrote:
Crazy how sell out is thrown out a lot. Pro-gamers do this for a living. They need to be able to support themselves.
The equivalent is like an IT guy working at a small grassroots IT company decides to work for a big IT company or take on additional side work for more money. Then you call that person a "sell out". And the guy says he needs to feed his family, he doesn't wanna struggle financially, etc. And you say no you still sold out for money.
By that argument every single professional SC2 player in a team that gives financial support to its members is a sell out. Every single professional athelete is a sellout. They would gladly promote products they might not even like if they get paid for it. This community really seems like they want a foreign scene where it was like what it was in BW. Players not earning much and having part-time jobs in order to fund their SC career. And the only place to earn money is by being really good in Korea. There's all this talk of "We want to make SC2 an e-sport." and this is what comes with any sport with money involved.
If i work and get payed am i a sell out?? i agree 100% these guys are make in money to live back off
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On June 29 2011 10:43 Krogan wrote:
I'm curious why this is so different then Idra playing at a tournament sponsored by someone and taking home money for playing there, the tournament still sponsors a different brand then his own and he is apart of it.
cause hes not promoting that product in any way.
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If the people on SoTG aren't mad, the community shouldn't be upset over it. It seems to me that JP,Day[9], Tyler were probably well aware of this, but they still gave InC a farewell which says so much about the relationship of SoTG. I am on InC's side of this, because in the end, you don't do things for free.
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On June 29 2011 10:40 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 10:27 Kich wrote:
IN AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP GEOFF ON THE SHOW EG OFFERED SOTG MONEY --
SOTG did not take their offer -- ok, what? Maybe i havent been listening to the stream closely enough, can you explain?
In an attempt to keep Geoff on SOTG, they (EG) worked with their sponsors to give SOTG their own offer, which would let Geoff stay on the show.
SOTG did not take their offer.
I'm not sure how much more clearly that can be explained.
After that didn't work, they assumed (since they received no information from JP) that JP was taking the other offer.
Only at that point did EG start to create ITG--they didn't want Geoff to lose money because they respect their players and try to do as much as they can for them. They made a fucking weekly show for him.
They found out that the SOTG offer fell through way too late and at that point ITG was already roaring and ready to go. There was no turning back at that point.
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On June 29 2011 10:43 Jayrod wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 10:41 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On June 29 2011 10:10 TofuFox wrote:
State of the Game was looking to land a sponsorship deal, which would have paid Geoff and the other co-hosts; however, it would have conflicted with EG's sponsorships and Geoff would have needed to leave. This is a little bit misleading because it implies that there exist some sponsors that do not "conflict" with EG's sponsors. As far as I know, the only way Geoff could have stayed on the show is if we went with EG's sponsors. So we could have been sponsored by a company that has never invested in esports with a product that does not compete with any of EG's sponsors' products and Geoff would still not be able to be on the show. --- And as a general note, there's more to a sponsorship than just the fact there's a sponsorship. There are a lot of details to figure out in the contract. Who is ultimately going to own the show? Who has creative control? How much web support does it have? etc These things are actually really important. It seems to me like EG believed they had control of some really strong assets in Geoff and Greg that they could use to leverage a better deal for themselves, like more ownership, more control, etc. I do not know the details of any of these sponsorship offers. But I find it ridiculous to discuss them like they're all equal. Or like when you know one detail that is different, you act like it's the only difference, and it's the crucial difference. I highly doubt that's the case. Can Geoff be on a show sponsored by stride gum?
I'm sorry. Only monster energy allows you "Last Longer"
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On June 29 2011 10:29 Kich wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 10:28 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 09:55 Jayrod wrote:
SOTG made you incontrol lol indeed sad to see incontrol sell out, but then what else is there to be expected from the guy who made gosuguide Saying SOTG made Incontrol is like saying SOTG made Day9 and Tyler.
Would Tyler have gotten his personal gum sponsership if he wasn't on state of the game for sure?
Would Incontrol be flying around having meetings with intel and making commercials if he wasn't on state of the game for sure? SOTG did not boost their popularity in any way they would have had the exact same number of fans without it and all those awesome things would have happened to them anyways?
Day9 would have been the same anyways with all the commentating so he owes SOTG nothing! I'm not sure about the others.
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I think the Explanation from EGAlex was more than satisfactory to explaining the dynamics behind what happened for state of the game and inside the game.
I hope Jp can get SOTG going soon.
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On June 29 2011 10:43 erwthe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 10:31 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:29 XKiller wrote:On June 29 2011 10:28 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 09:55 Jayrod wrote:
SOTG made you incontrol lol indeed sad to see incontrol sell out, but then what else is there to be expected from the guy who made gosuguide How is being too busy being a progamer for the game selling out? yeah because he didn't replace sotg with a new podcast or anything and of course SOTG made incontrol. Having a bunch of failed entrepreneurial ventures under his belt and no results until he allin'd everyone to top4 at MLG doesn't make him a success without SOTG. TSLRain anyone? GSL finalist and now he has to resort to joining a foreign team iNcontroL was a very well-known broodwar player. And a popular player during Beta. JP wouldn't have picked him up if he was a nobody. Not to say his fanbase and reputation hasn't grown since he got onboard SOTG, but he has definitely always been known by the community.
Obviously he was a known brood war player, I followed the scene back then too. In what way does what you have said negate what I have said? His sc2 career so far has been pretty lackluster especially in comparison to his fanbase which is a direct result of SOTG. This is exactly what is meant by "SOTG made incontrol". For him to just turn around and shit on it is a bit ironic.
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why do ppl call him a liar?
he can do what he want and everyone has to respect that.
i dont think that he has to explain everything he does accurately to the community and that is it!
some dudes are so rude in here
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On June 29 2011 10:45 Kich wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 10:40 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:27 Kich wrote:
IN AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP GEOFF ON THE SHOW EG OFFERED SOTG MONEY --
SOTG did not take their offer -- ok, what? Maybe i havent been listening to the stream closely enough, can you explain? In an attempt to keep Geoff on SOTG, they (EG) worked with their sponsors to give SOTG their own offer, which would let Geoff stay on the show. SOTG did not take their offer. I'm not sure how much more clearly that can be explained. After that didn't work, they assumed (since they received no information from JP) that JP was taking the other offer. Only at that point did EG start to create ITG--they didn't want Geoff to lose money because they respect their players and try to do as much as they can for them. They made a fucking weekly show for him. They found out that the SOTG offer fell through way too late and at that point ITG was already roaring and ready to go. There was no turning back at that point.
Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show.
There's more to it , im pretty sure.
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I liked SotG better before it was a corporate entity. I wish it could exist completely outside of that sphere and be done purely for the community, out of the limelight, like it was when it was created.
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On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 10:45 Kich wrote:On June 29 2011 10:40 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:27 Kich wrote:
IN AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP GEOFF ON THE SHOW EG OFFERED SOTG MONEY --
SOTG did not take their offer -- ok, what? Maybe i havent been listening to the stream closely enough, can you explain? In an attempt to keep Geoff on SOTG, they (EG) worked with their sponsors to give SOTG their own offer, which would let Geoff stay on the show. SOTG did not take their offer. I'm not sure how much more clearly that can be explained. After that didn't work, they assumed (since they received no information from JP) that JP was taking the other offer. Only at that point did EG start to create ITG--they didn't want Geoff to lose money because they respect their players and try to do as much as they can for them. They made a fucking weekly show for him. They found out that the SOTG offer fell through way too late and at that point ITG was already roaring and ready to go. There was no turning back at that point. Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show. There's more to it , im pretty sure.
And Tyler's response backed it up.
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On June 29 2011 10:44 sargent610 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 10:41 JackhammerIV wrote:
Crazy how sell out is thrown out a lot. Pro-gamers do this for a living. They need to be able to support themselves.
The equivalent is like an IT guy working at a small grassroots IT company decides to work for a big IT company or take on additional side work for more money. Then you call that person a "sell out". And the guy says he needs to feed his family, he doesn't wanna struggle financially, etc. And you say no you still sold out for money.
By that argument every single professional SC2 player in a team that gives financial support to its members is a sell out. Every single professional athelete is a sellout. They would gladly promote products they might not even like if they get paid for it. This community really seems like they want a foreign scene where it was like what it was in BW. Players not earning much and having part-time jobs in order to fund their SC career. And the only place to earn money is by being really good in Korea. There's all this talk of "We want to make SC2 an e-sport." and this is what comes with any sport with money involved. If i work and get payed am i a sell out?? i agree 100% these guys are make in money to live back off
I don't even know what point you're making or if you understoond my point. If you get paid for your work you're not a sell out, you have a paying job then. But my point is that it's not wrong to pursue other jobs in order to get paid more.
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On June 29 2011 10:46 coolcor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 10:29 Kich wrote:On June 29 2011 10:28 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 09:55 Jayrod wrote:
SOTG made you incontrol lol indeed sad to see incontrol sell out, but then what else is there to be expected from the guy who made gosuguide Saying SOTG made Incontrol is like saying SOTG made Day9 and Tyler. Would Tyler have gotten his personal gum sponsership if he wasn't on state of the game for sure? Would Incontrol be flying around having meetings with intel and making commercials if he wasn't on state of the game for sure? SOTG did not boost their popularity in any way they would have had the exact same number of fans without it and all those awesome things would have happened to them anyways? Day9 would have been the same anyways with all the commentating so he owes SOTG nothing! I'm not sure about the others.
The best part is... day 9 has so much influence on this community, if he release a 2 minute video telling the world of starcraft how they SHOULD feel about this whole scenario... 95% of SC players would probably go with it.
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Last thing I heard is that the complexity/soundblaster deal fell through because JP didn't want to lose incontrol.
Now that he's gone, what's preventing JP/col. from resuming negotiations exactly?
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On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:45 Kich wrote:On June 29 2011 10:40 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:27 Kich wrote:
IN AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP GEOFF ON THE SHOW EG OFFERED SOTG MONEY --
SOTG did not take their offer -- ok, what? Maybe i havent been listening to the stream closely enough, can you explain? In an attempt to keep Geoff on SOTG, they (EG) worked with their sponsors to give SOTG their own offer, which would let Geoff stay on the show. SOTG did not take their offer. I'm not sure how much more clearly that can be explained. After that didn't work, they assumed (since they received no information from JP) that JP was taking the other offer. Only at that point did EG start to create ITG--they didn't want Geoff to lose money because they respect their players and try to do as much as they can for them. They made a fucking weekly show for him. They found out that the SOTG offer fell through way too late and at that point ITG was already roaring and ready to go. There was no turning back at that point. Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show. There's more to it , im pretty sure. And Tyler's response backed it up.
Ok so what i take from tyler's response is:
The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer.
So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer?
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On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:45 Kich wrote:On June 29 2011 10:40 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:27 Kich wrote:
IN AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP GEOFF ON THE SHOW EG OFFERED SOTG MONEY --
SOTG did not take their offer -- ok, what? Maybe i havent been listening to the stream closely enough, can you explain? In an attempt to keep Geoff on SOTG, they (EG) worked with their sponsors to give SOTG their own offer, which would let Geoff stay on the show. SOTG did not take their offer. I'm not sure how much more clearly that can be explained. After that didn't work, they assumed (since they received no information from JP) that JP was taking the other offer. Only at that point did EG start to create ITG--they didn't want Geoff to lose money because they respect their players and try to do as much as they can for them. They made a fucking weekly show for him. They found out that the SOTG offer fell through way too late and at that point ITG was already roaring and ready to go. There was no turning back at that point. Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show. There's more to it , im pretty sure. And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer. So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer?
Wow, take off your tinfoil hat, sometimes, would you?
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On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:45 Kich wrote:On June 29 2011 10:40 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:27 Kich wrote:
IN AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP GEOFF ON THE SHOW EG OFFERED SOTG MONEY --
SOTG did not take their offer -- ok, what? Maybe i havent been listening to the stream closely enough, can you explain? In an attempt to keep Geoff on SOTG, they (EG) worked with their sponsors to give SOTG their own offer, which would let Geoff stay on the show. SOTG did not take their offer. I'm not sure how much more clearly that can be explained. After that didn't work, they assumed (since they received no information from JP) that JP was taking the other offer. Only at that point did EG start to create ITG--they didn't want Geoff to lose money because they respect their players and try to do as much as they can for them. They made a fucking weekly show for him. They found out that the SOTG offer fell through way too late and at that point ITG was already roaring and ready to go. There was no turning back at that point. Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show. There's more to it , im pretty sure. And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer.
So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer? Nah, EG wanted JP to star in some homeporn videos in exchange, something like that I would assume. You know, I'm only speculating now, but why else wouldn't SotG take EG's offer???
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just stop it with the rumour mongering, FUD and speculation. We're all better off for it.
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