EPTFunny how the nonsense quotes begin popping up around new years break "JP if you don't do it, someone else will". Now I'm just a sad panda thinking about it
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Shinobi1982
1605 Posts
Funny how the nonsense quotes begin popping up around new years break "JP if you don't do it, someone else will". Now I'm just a sad panda thinking about it | ||
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
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Yung
United States727 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:31 Maliris wrote: yeah because he didn't replace sotg with a new podcast or anything and of course SOTG made incontrol. Having a bunch of failed entrepreneurial ventures under his belt and no results until he allin'd everyone to top4 at MLG doesn't make him a success without SOTG. TSLRain anyone? GSL finalist and now he has to resort to joining a foreign team No it didn't make him he has been in the community for like the whole time BW was out and everyone knew him, and the allin is stupid, he does what needs to be done to win stop bitching about it. and leaveing for a different podcast is a good idea, If you have a job you do that takes up a few hours a week and don't get paid for it, and you get offered the same job for money with less time why not do it, as djwheat says you have to think about you and your family. | ||
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blizzind
United States642 Posts
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Z-R0E
United States147 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:28 Maliris wrote: indeed sad to see incontrol sell out, but then what else is there to be expected from the guy who made gosuguide That's a pile of shit. iNcontroL helped to make SotG, not the other way around. I was a fan of iNc's long before SotG, as were many others. SotG definitely helped iNc, as he helped it, but it sure didn't "make" him. | ||
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Kich
United States339 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:36 Dingobloo wrote: I would say launching a competing show basically ensuring the destruction of a beloved show is pretty controversial, regardless of the business decisions behind it which are understandable. ITG and SOTG aren't remotely close to each other... wat? They aren't competing shows. Dexter's Lab and COPS aren't competing shows, how would one ensure the destruction of another? | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:36 Shinobi1982 wrote: I find it odd that Alex was talking about "more free/practice time and overwork" as being one of the major factors for Geoff leaving SoTG. Where basically they made a whole show around Geoff where he gets payed for his (same) effort/time invested. So free time/ more practice time was never an issue. It's pure sponsor conflict nothing more, nothing less. Funny how the nonsense quotes begin popping up around new years break "JP if you don't do it, someone else will". Now I'm just a sad panda thinking about it It is having 1 show vs having 2 shows. He chooses the show that he gets paid for (and not the other that he must not get paid for). Call him a sell-out, I am calling him a person trying to make a living. | ||
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Silver777
United States347 Posts
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:34 Talin wrote: So? He's still doing one weekly podcast. It's basic math. If that one weekly podcast was SOTG all along, this whole issue would never even exist. I think the thing is that they didn't know that incontrol would be in this situation at the time. It looks like all this shit got started before he was involved with NASL. By the time it became clear that his workload was too much and he had to cut back, ITG was already a done deal and SotG was really the only thing available to be cut. So yes this has been a clusterfuck and incontrol didn't end up with anymore free time in the end, but no one knew that's how things would end up turning out. I'm still pretty pissed off about how secretive and deceptive this has all been. But after hearing the explanation I don't believe for a second that EG were being malicious and meant to cause any harm. | ||
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GwSC
United States1997 Posts
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smallerk
897 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:27 Kich wrote: IN AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP GEOFF ON THE SHOW EG OFFERED SOTG MONEY -- SOTG did not take their offer -- ok, what? Maybe i havent been listening to the stream closely enough, can you explain? | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:10 TofuFox wrote: State of the Game was looking to land a sponsorship deal, which would have paid Geoff and the other co-hosts; however, it would have conflicted with EG's sponsorships and Geoff would have needed to leave. This is a little bit misleading because it implies that there exist some sponsors that do not "conflict" with EG's sponsors. As far as I know, the only way Geoff could have stayed on the show is if we went with EG's sponsors. So we could have been sponsored by a company that has never invested in esports with a product that does not compete with any of EG's sponsors' products and Geoff would still not be able to be on the show. edit: obviously things are changing now. but im saying what the situation was back then --- And as a general note, there's more to a sponsorship than just the fact there's a sponsorship. There are a lot of details to figure out in the contract. Who is ultimately going to own the show? Who has creative control? How much web support does it have? etc These things are actually really important. It seems to me like EG believed they had control of some really strong assets in Geoff and Greg that they could use to leverage a better deal for themselves, like more ownership, more control, etc. I do not know the details of any of these sponsorship offers. But I find it ridiculous to discuss them like they're all equal. Or like when you know one detail that is different, you act like it's the only difference, and it's the crucial difference. I highly doubt that's the case. | ||
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leungwk01
United Kingdom1260 Posts
He could come on for part of the show like day9..leave after an hour or w.e | ||
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:37 XKiller wrote: No it didn't make him he has been in the community for like the whole time BW was out and everyone knew him, and the allin is stupid, he does what needs to be done to win stop bitching about it. and leaveing for a different podcast is a good idea, If you have a job you do that takes up a few hours a week and don't get paid for it, and you get offered the same job for money with less time why not do it, as djwheat says you have to think about you and your family. Of course it made incontrol, he wouldn't have nearly as many fans as he does now if it weren't for state of the game lol. And the point is not that he allined to get results it's the fact that he wouldn't have any results if he didn't just coinflip his way through the tournament But arguing with fanbois is a bit of a lost cause  You obviously don't even understand the situation if you think it's because he has to think of his real life obligations. He literally hasn't gained any time by leaving SOTG except now he does a podcast endorsed by EG, that is the definition of selling out. What is worse is that he completely outright lied and said it was because of time constraints that he was leaving SOTG, and you're going to lap that shit up? You're a deluded fanboy if that's what you'll settle for | ||
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Jayrod
1820 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:28 Maliris wrote: indeed sad to see incontrol sell out, but then what else is there to be expected from the guy who made gosuguide Well i meant the highly publicized version of incontrol... obviously he is well-spoken (when he uses words properly) and entertaining... he wouldnt be nearly at his popularity level if he wasn't... but, I just don't think he would have had nearly the exposure and the subsequent endearment from the community if not for SOTG. I doubt even Incontrol would argue that SOTG and its impact on the community has helped take his career to a higher level than it could have ever been if success was based on results alone. My apologies for an overbroad statement... kind of a kneejerk on my part. | ||
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JackhammerIV
United Kingdom221 Posts
The equivalent is like an IT guy working at a small grassroots IT company decides to work for a big IT company or take on additional side work for more money. Then you call that person a "sell out". And the guy says he needs to feed his family, he doesn't wanna struggle financially, etc. And you say no you still sold out for money. By that argument every single professional SC2 player in a team that gives financial support to its members is a sell out. Every single professional athelete is a sellout. They would gladly promote products they might not even like if they get paid for it. This community really seems like they want a foreign scene where it was like what it was in BW. Players not earning much and having part-time jobs in order to fund their SC career. And the only place to earn money is by being really good in Korea. There's all this talk of "We want to make SC2 an e-sport." and this is what comes with any sport with money involved. | ||
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sargent610
United States6 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:36 Maliris wrote: the problem isn't that incontrol is leaving SOTG it's the fact that he outright LIED about the reason for leaving. Pretty much he left because he's a sellout and for corporate interest instead of doing it because "he needed time to practice" which is what he claimed. he was given the chose between going on SotG, ITG, NASL, compete,and live life. so he chose to side with his team. get better and make some money to LIVE. he chose ITG, compete,and live see he didnt mean he chose one show over the other to make time, he gave up a show to make time for playin | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
Don't belittle an entire community and act as if SOTG isn't extremely important component in a scene where everyone is so fucking obsessed with going professional and pushing esports that they forget the grassroot movement is the reason we're all here discussing this to begin with. | ||
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Jayrod
1820 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:41 Liquid`Tyler wrote: This is a little bit misleading because it implies that there exist some sponsors that do not "conflict" with EG's sponsors. As far as I know, the only way Geoff could have stayed on the show is if we went with EG's sponsors. So we could have been sponsored by a company that has never invested in esports with a product that does not compete with any of EG's sponsors' products and Geoff would still not be able to be on the show. --- And as a general note, there's more to a sponsorship than just the fact there's a sponsorship. There are a lot of details to figure out in the contract. Who is ultimately going to own the show? Who has creative control? How much web support does it have? etc These things are actually really important. It seems to me like EG believed they had control of some really strong assets in Geoff and Greg that they could use to leverage a better deal for themselves, like more ownership, more control, etc. I do not know the details of any of these sponsorship offers. But I find it ridiculous to discuss them like they're all equal. Or like when you know one detail that is different, you act like it's the only difference, and it's the crucial difference. I highly doubt that's the case. Can Geoff be on a show sponsored by stride gum? | ||
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caelym
United States6421 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:36 Kich wrote: But that just really means that you're not that invested in the community. That's all. but that's the point isn't it? sotg was able to spread the celebrity of geoff to even the people that are not too invested in esports. | ||
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