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On June 29 2011 10:59 Maliris wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 10:57 Thrax wrote:On June 29 2011 10:41 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:37 XKiller wrote:On June 29 2011 10:31 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:29 XKiller wrote:On June 29 2011 10:28 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 09:55 Jayrod wrote:
SOTG made you incontrol lol indeed sad to see incontrol sell out, but then what else is there to be expected from the guy who made gosuguide How is being too busy being a progamer for the game selling out? yeah because he didn't replace sotg with a new podcast or anything and of course SOTG made incontrol. Having a bunch of failed entrepreneurial ventures under his belt and no results until he allin'd everyone to top4 at MLG doesn't make him a success without SOTG. TSLRain anyone? GSL finalist and now he has to resort to joining a foreign team No it didn't make him he has been in the community for like the whole time BW was out and everyone knew him, and the allin is stupid, he does what needs to be done to win stop bitching about it. and leaveing for a different podcast is a good idea, If you have a job you do that takes up a few hours a week and don't get paid for it, and you get offered the same job for money with less time why not do it, as djwheat says you have to think about you and your family. Of course it made incontrol, he wouldn't have nearly as many fans as he does now if it weren't for state of the game lol. And the point is not that he allined to get results it's the fact that he wouldn't have any results if he didn't just coinflip his way through the tournament But arguing with fanbois is a bit of a lost cause  You obviously don't even understand the situation if you think it's because he has to think of his real life obligations. He literally hasn't gained any time by leaving SOTG except now he does a podcast endorsed by EG, that is the definition of selling out. What is worse is that he completely outright lied and said it was because of time constraints that he was leaving SOTG, and you're going to lap that shit up? You're a deluded fanboy if that's what you'll settle for That post is so vile. If that guy you are replied to is a deluded fan boy, you have to be an iNcontroL/EG anti-fan. SOTG grew in popularity mutually with iNcontroL growing in popularity. He helped make SOTG great, and SOTG growing helped him. iNcontroL made himself. A nice symbiotic relationship here. Sure, for him the situation hasn't changed. He is still doing one show a week, just like he was before. The problem was that by the time everybody realized that the SOTG sponsorship deal fell through, ITG was a done deal - iNc was "stuck" with two shows a week - here's your time constraint. He was loyal to his team and dropped SOTG, saving x hours per week to dedicate to other things. Now that he dropped NASL, maybe we'll see him again doing SOTG as a pillar. The fact that the bolded part is what you actually believe tells me that you are completely ignorant of the situation. Didn't you even SEE the screenshot which sparked this whole discussion in the first place?
Did you bother tuning in? That screenshot is old news. Alex/Scoots said they wouldn't get in the way of iNcontroL if he wanted to do SOTG again as a pillar. Alex even said he would talk to JP about it. Before that was mentioned, iNcontroL said he was sad about not doing SOTG anymore. It's possible that JP has moved on and has someone to replace iNc, but it seems all parties are trying to work things out. Let's see what happens now.
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On June 29 2011 11:05 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:01 Sipher wrote:
I feel like the phrase "sell out" is used far too often. Typically by immature teenagers, or even adults. A person needs to earn a living for his/her future, and for the support of his/her future or present family.
This is a man's number one priority: to provide for my family. Nothing else should be higher on your priority list. NOTHING. Because it is quite a shitty feeling (I'm assuming) to not be able to provide for your own family. So in my view, there is no selling out. There is only looking out for one's own family (like I said, future or present; it's never too early to think about your family), especially in this economy, get the best deal possible.
Oh and for those of you thinking Incontrol is not thinking about future family, don't be ridiculous. I believe he said he plans to propose to his girlfriend in the future, and obviously they will have children in the future. As this is the way of life. im with u on this one, guess everyone in the world who works to earn a living is a sellout cause u know, they're working for THE MAN, and not themselves. Instead of going on a rant about the way of life, maybe you should wonder why did it have to come to the point of EG having to make a separate state of the game clone, why couldnt geoff keep doing sotg and eg sponsored it? Because eg put its interests first, they didnt care about sotg, they didnt care about what the community would lose, they only cared about making money.
Did you not listen to the show?? EG did offer SOTG money. SOTG rejected the offer, thus they made their own show. What is so complicated about that, that you don't understand?
It makes me sad to be on the opposite side of a fellow Portugee
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Any shout-outs?
Well like always i want to thank the team Evil Geniuses and their sponsors Steelseries, Monster Energy drink, Intel, Bigfoot Networks, Jinx Clothing, Kingston HyperX and... for Incontrol not being on SOTG anymore.
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On June 29 2011 11:05 Maliris wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:02 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:00 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 10:58 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:45 Kich wrote:On June 29 2011 10:40 smallerk wrote:
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ok, what? Maybe i havent been listening to the stream closely enough, can you explain? In an attempt to keep Geoff on SOTG, they (EG) worked with their sponsors to give SOTG their own offer, which would let Geoff stay on the show. SOTG did not take their offer. I'm not sure how much more clearly that can be explained. After that didn't work, they assumed (since they received no information from JP) that JP was taking the other offer. Only at that point did EG start to create ITG--they didn't want Geoff to lose money because they respect their players and try to do as much as they can for them. They made a fucking weekly show for him. They found out that the SOTG offer fell through way too late and at that point ITG was already roaring and ready to go. There was no turning back at that point. Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show. There's more to it , im pretty sure. And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer. So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer? pretty much yes, EG wanted to control the show and when they couldnt do this they realised they can just boycott it and create their own clone of SOTG with idra/incontrol as hosts i hope stuff like this gets a warning or something. i might have called someone uneducated earlier in the thread (and got warned), but at least i wasnt just making shit up like this guy Yeah I'm really making shit up. What? Don't talk if you don't know anything. where did EG say oh we have to control everything or else we pull incontrol/idra They had to control what sponsors appeared on the show, which pretty much had to be EG's sponsors or else Geoff couldn't be a pillar, and while IdrA wasn't a host he appeared quite frequently and may as well have been a pillar by the end of it all. Sirscoots even said Idra/incontrol cant be pillars and can only appear as guests now in the skype convo... Grats for not reading the thread
They didn't want their players on a show sponsored by a rival team, so they gave a counter offer to allow their players to stay on this show, which in the end didn't work out for whatever reasons.
That is vastly different from what your saying. There is no basis for this rumour that EG wanted to control the show, just speculations.
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On June 29 2011 11:08 Gurgl wrote:
I honestly don't see why EG has a problem with Incontrol being on a show sponsored by someone that doesn't sponsor EG. Their players participate in tournaments all the time which have different sponsors.
EG didn't have a problem with Incontrol on SotG. EG's sponsors, however, apparently did.
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On June 29 2011 11:05 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:01 Sipher wrote:
I feel like the phrase "sell out" is used far too often. Typically by immature teenagers, or even adults. A person needs to earn a living for his/her future, and for the support of his/her future or present family.
This is a man's number one priority: to provide for my family. Nothing else should be higher on your priority list. NOTHING. Because it is quite a shitty feeling (I'm assuming) to not be able to provide for your own family. So in my view, there is no selling out. There is only looking out for one's own family (like I said, future or present; it's never too early to think about your family), especially in this economy, get the best deal possible.
Oh and for those of you thinking Incontrol is not thinking about future family, don't be ridiculous. I believe he said he plans to propose to his girlfriend in the future, and obviously they will have children in the future. As this is the way of life. im with u on this one, guess everyone in the world who works to earn a living is a sellout cause u know, they're working for THE MAN, and not themselves. Instead of going on a rant about the way of life, maybe you should wonder why did it have to come to the point of EG having to make a separate state of the game clone, why couldnt geoff keep doing sotg and eg sponsored it? Because eg put its interests first, they didnt care about sotg, they didnt care about what the community would lose, they only cared about making money.
EG did want to sponsor it... but JP for whatever reason did not take the deal. you're saying a company is going to look out for themselves first? just like you and i and probably most people would in real life?
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On June 29 2011 11:05 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:01 Sipher wrote:
I feel like the phrase "sell out" is used far too often. Typically by immature teenagers, or even adults. A person needs to earn a living for his/her future, and for the support of his/her future or present family.
This is a man's number one priority: to provide for my family. Nothing else should be higher on your priority list. NOTHING. Because it is quite a shitty feeling (I'm assuming) to not be able to provide for your own family. So in my view, there is no selling out. There is only looking out for one's own family (like I said, future or present; it's never too early to think about your family), especially in this economy, get the best deal possible.
Oh and for those of you thinking Incontrol is not thinking about future family, don't be ridiculous. I believe he said he plans to propose to his girlfriend in the future, and obviously they will have children in the future. As this is the way of life. im with u on this one, guess everyone in the world who works to earn a living is a sellout cause u know, they're working for THE MAN, and not themselves. Instead of going on a rant about the way of life, maybe you should wonder why did it have to come to the point of EG having to make a separate state of the game clone, why couldnt geoff keep doing sotg and eg sponsored it? Because eg put its interests first, they didnt care about sotg, they didnt care about what the community would lose, they only cared about making money.
Businesses are a profit-maximizing entity. Expecting anything else is plain stupid, any intro to economics will teach you that businesses maximize their profits not the utility of their customers (in this case the community).
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On June 29 2011 10:55 Bobster wrote:
just stop it with the rumour mongering, FUD and speculation. We're all better off for it.
People will always talk about things, because it's only natural that everyone wants 100% information all the time. If the full information is not provided (even for obviously understandable reasons), there's always going to be speculation instead.
You can't really hush hush the speculation. I hate drama as much as the next guy (and I've actually been quite vocal about that), but the key point on this particular issue is that it wasn't anybody on the forum that caused it to happen. All the discussions that happen here (on this particular topic) are purely reactive.
To go on a tangent a little, I do think the reaction to the whole Geoff-SOTG-EG issue has had its positives. If there was a discussion like this before this particular issue, I'll bet you anything you want that everyone involved would have found a better and less unpopular solution, because they wouldn't want to deal with this kind of shit.
On June 29 2011 11:10 zev318 wrote:
EG did want to sponsor it... but JP for whatever reason did not take the deal. you're saying a company is going to look out for themselves first? just like you and i and probably most people would in real life?
True.
But a company also looks out for itself by making sure they maintain a positive image in the community they depend on, and to do that they must at least make it look like they care.
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I'm sorry, I love the SC2 community and of course I love SoTG, but I don't see what this drama is about. Geoff is a PROGAMER first, so that is what he should spend most of his time working on. He still has his salary, streams for money, still does ITG for money, so he quit NASL and SOTG to have more free time to train and focus on his real job. Why is this drama at all? I think the community should really take the time to grow the fuck up. People have to have money to live. Being a progamer and keeping EG's sponsors happy is how he makes money, it is how the world works.
I will miss Geoff on SOTG and I'll miss him casting NASL, but I can't fucking wait for him to train more then win the NASL and be a guest on SOTG talking about how far he has come!
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On June 29 2011 11:07 lisN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:01 Sipher wrote:
I feel like the phrase "sell out" is used far too often. Typically by immature teenagers, or even adults. A person needs to earn a living for his/her future, and for the support of his/her future or present family.
This is a man's number one priority: to provide for my family. Nothing else should be higher on your priority list. NOTHING. Because it is quite a shitty feeling (I'm assuming) to not be able to provide for your own family. So in my view, there is no selling out. There is only looking out for one's own family (like I said, future or present; it's never too early to think about your family), especially in this economy, get the best deal possible.
Oh and for those of you thinking Incontrol is not thinking about future family, don't be ridiculous. I believe he said he plans to propose to his girlfriend in the future, and obviously they will have children in the future. As this is the way of life. im with u on this one, guess everyone in the world who works to earn a living is a sellout cause u know, they're working for THE MAN, and not themselves. He would prefer sotg over itg but did the latter because he could earn better. That's selling out. The fact that you like it or you don't does not change anything.
Well he was obligated by his team and the deals they made to do ITG. He didn't have any obligation for SotG and EG basically would have to pull iNcontroL off SotG if SotG ever got any sponsors that weren't sponsors for EG.
There are many things we would prefer to do but we can't because we need money to survive. Pretty much everyone in a normal job is a sellout. A doctor might prefer to work in Africa saving as many children as he/she can but they have a family to support so they instead take a job at a big hospital. The only reason you wouldn't "sell out" is basically you only have yourself to support.
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On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:02 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:00 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 10:58 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:45 Kich wrote:On June 29 2011 10:40 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:27 Kich wrote:
IN AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP GEOFF ON THE SHOW EG OFFERED SOTG MONEY --
SOTG did not take their offer -- ok, what? Maybe i havent been listening to the stream closely enough, can you explain? In an attempt to keep Geoff on SOTG, they (EG) worked with their sponsors to give SOTG their own offer, which would let Geoff stay on the show. SOTG did not take their offer. I'm not sure how much more clearly that can be explained. After that didn't work, they assumed (since they received no information from JP) that JP was taking the other offer. Only at that point did EG start to create ITG--they didn't want Geoff to lose money because they respect their players and try to do as much as they can for them. They made a fucking weekly show for him. They found out that the SOTG offer fell through way too late and at that point ITG was already roaring and ready to go. There was no turning back at that point. Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show. There's more to it , im pretty sure. And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer. So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer? pretty much yes, EG wanted to control the show and when they couldnt do this they realised they can just boycott it and create their own clone of SOTG with idra/incontrol as hosts i hope stuff like this gets a warning or something. i might have called someone uneducated earlier in the thread (and got warned), but at least i wasnt just making shit up like this guy Yeah I'm really making shit up. What? Don't talk if you don't know anything. where did EG say oh we have to control everything or else we pull incontrol/idra and i dont want some bullshit where TYLER might have said it. unless JP himself says that's what EG was asking for or u have a screenshot of someone like sirscoots saying something like "OK EG will run the show or else idra/incontrol is out of here"
Oh, so you'll take EG's word but not Tyler's? Ok, buddy. Also good job ignoring Jason Lake's post, you and other special people in this thread.
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On June 29 2011 10:05 jlake02 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 09:50 Zinroc wrote:On June 29 2011 09:48 ClysmiC wrote:On June 29 2011 09:46 Stijn wrote:
Basically, SotG was about to get a sponsor deal from a team that was not EG, creating an obvious conflict of interest for Incontrol. In mutual understanding EG decided to set up their own show (Inside the Game), with Incontrol on it. The SotG deal fell through but ITG was already mostly set up so they decided to go through with it? This is how I understand it. I think Razor wanted to sponsor SOTG while EG has Steelseries... Just guessing no proof, but its the only real sponsor conflict in the Esports scene. I appreciate Alex Garfield maintaining the confidentiality of those involved, but I'm willing to go on the record and reveal that compLexity arranged a strong sponsorship for SotG with SoundBlaster gaming. The deal would have put money in the pockets of all of the co-hosts. We did it because we love the show and felt it would be a great investment for our sponsor. JP liked the idea but did not accept the offer because it meant losing Geoff, which we understood.
So basically, JP didn't sell out and chose Geoff over the sponsorship.
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I think the stream must've lagged during arguably the most important part of my appearance on the show, because I think that if people heard it, they wouldn't be arguing back and forth about the past as much. Maybe I'm wrong, though.
Anyway, I stated directly on the show (unfortunately, it was when the stream went down) that EG will not prevent iNcontroL from being on SotG. I've already messaged JP informing him of that statement on iTg. Geoff wants to be back on the show, so hopefully, the necessary parties will be in touch soon and it can be made a reality quickly.
It was a pretty bad moment for the stream to lag out, that's for sure.
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On June 29 2011 11:14 Epigon wrote:
I'm sorry, I love the SC2 community and of course I love SoTG, but I don't see what this drama is about. Geoff is a PROGAMER first, so that is what he should spend most of his time working on. He still has his salary, streams for money, still does ITG for money, so he quit NASL and SOTG to have more free time to train and focus on his real job. Why is this drama at all? I think the community should really take the time to grow the fuck up. People have to have money to live. Being a progamer and keeping EG's sponsors happy is how he makes money, it is how the world works.
I will miss Geoff on SOTG and I'll miss him casting NASL, but I can't fucking wait for him to train more then win the NASL and be a guest on SOTG talking about how far he has come!
Lets here more from this man. Clearly he understands what makes Geoff, Geoff.
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On June 29 2011 11:05 Maliris wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:02 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:00 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 10:58 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:45 Kich wrote:On June 29 2011 10:40 smallerk wrote:
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ok, what? Maybe i havent been listening to the stream closely enough, can you explain? In an attempt to keep Geoff on SOTG, they (EG) worked with their sponsors to give SOTG their own offer, which would let Geoff stay on the show. SOTG did not take their offer. I'm not sure how much more clearly that can be explained. After that didn't work, they assumed (since they received no information from JP) that JP was taking the other offer. Only at that point did EG start to create ITG--they didn't want Geoff to lose money because they respect their players and try to do as much as they can for them. They made a fucking weekly show for him. They found out that the SOTG offer fell through way too late and at that point ITG was already roaring and ready to go. There was no turning back at that point. Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show. There's more to it , im pretty sure. And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer. So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer? pretty much yes, EG wanted to control the show and when they couldnt do this they realised they can just boycott it and create their own clone of SOTG with idra/incontrol as hosts i hope stuff like this gets a warning or something. i might have called someone uneducated earlier in the thread (and got warned), but at least i wasnt just making shit up like this guy Yeah I'm really making shit up. What? Don't talk if you don't know anything. where did EG say oh we have to control everything or else we pull incontrol/idra They had to control what sponsors appeared on the show, which pretty much had to be EG's sponsors or else Geoff couldn't be a pillar, and while IdrA wasn't a host he appeared quite frequently and may as well have been a pillar by the end of it all. Sirscoots even said Idra/incontrol cant be pillars and can only appear as guests now in the skype convo... Grats for not reading the thread
of course they cant be pillars cause pillars are like hosts on SOTG and if the show had really gotten soundblaster as their sponsor, u think soundblaster would allow incontrol/idra as hosts to give a shout out to steelseries, a competitor to soundblaster? and if not, u think steelseries would be happy with their sponsorship? no. grat for not understanding business.
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On June 29 2011 11:15 illsick wrote:
So basically, JP didn't sell out and chose Geoff over the sponsorship.
Note that he did get to keep Geoff on the show until the end of the season.
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I am guessing JP rejected EG's offer because he didn't want it to become a EG show or a show based solely's on EG's interests. I am also guessing that JP and the others on the show aren't coming out and saying this is because they are "protecting" EG and Incontrol and don't want to make them look like the bad guys (and I know no one is a "bad guy" here)
So what happens, EG makes a show based on their sponsors and interests. And they could do that since they had two of the biggest names in North American SC2 (Incontrol and Idra)
I could be completely wrong and stupid, but that is what it seems like to me.
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On June 29 2011 11:07 lisN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:01 Sipher wrote:
I feel like the phrase "sell out" is used far too often. Typically by immature teenagers, or even adults. A person needs to earn a living for his/her future, and for the support of his/her future or present family.
This is a man's number one priority: to provide for my family. Nothing else should be higher on your priority list. NOTHING. Because it is quite a shitty feeling (I'm assuming) to not be able to provide for your own family. So in my view, there is no selling out. There is only looking out for one's own family (like I said, future or present; it's never too early to think about your family), especially in this economy, get the best deal possible.
Oh and for those of you thinking Incontrol is not thinking about future family, don't be ridiculous. I believe he said he plans to propose to his girlfriend in the future, and obviously they will have children in the future. As this is the way of life. im with u on this one, guess everyone in the world who works to earn a living is a sellout cause u know, they're working for THE MAN, and not themselves. He would prefer sotg over itg but did the latter because he could earn better. That's selling out. The fact that you like it or you don't does not change anything.
man, people sometime act like money doesn't matter in life. Wake up call, it does. As a financially responsible adult, you sometimes need to pick your job over doing fun project with friends.
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On June 29 2011 11:16 EGalex wrote:
I think the stream must've lagged during arguably the most important part of my appearance on the show, because I think that if people heard it, they wouldn't be arguing back and forth about the past as much. Maybe I'm wrong, though.
Anyway, I stated directly on the show (unfortunately, it was when the stream went down) that EG will not prevent iNcontroL from being on SotG. I've already messaged JP informing him of that statement on iTg. Geoff wants to be back on the show, so hopefully, the necessary parties will be in touch soon and it can be made a reality quickly.
It was a pretty bad moment for the stream to lag out, that's for sure.
The stream choked a lot. I was hoping it would be one of those "choke but end up continuing/buffering at the spot it left off", but alas 
I'll be one to thank you for your statements today Alex. No matter how people choose to (mis)interpret the whole ordeal, it was nice to finally get some insight.
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On June 29 2011 11:10 thedz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:08 Gurgl wrote:
I honestly don't see why EG has a problem with Incontrol being on a show sponsored by someone that doesn't sponsor EG. Their players participate in tournaments all the time which have different sponsors. EG didn't have a problem with Incontrol on SotG. EG's sponsors, however, apparently did.
I don't know about that. I want to believe EG. I really do. That said, they've misled people on this issue already. Do you think that their sponsors had an issue with Soundblaster? The only company that comes close to having products overlap is Razer.
EG and complexity have a history of bad blood. Could the real issue be the people who brought the sponsor to the table, complexity, and not the sponsor itself? That is the funny thing. Had EG/SOTG been upfront from the get go, we the community, probably aren't asking these questions.
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