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On June 29 2011 11:22 erwthe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:15 Masaki wrote:On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:02 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:00 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 10:58 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:45 Kich wrote:
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In an attempt to keep Geoff on SOTG, they (EG) worked with their sponsors to give SOTG their own offer, which would let Geoff stay on the show.
SOTG did not take their offer.
I'm not sure how much more clearly that can be explained.
After that didn't work, they assumed (since they received no information from JP) that JP was taking the other offer.
Only at that point did EG start to create ITG--they didn't want Geoff to lose money because they respect their players and try to do as much as they can for them. They made a fucking weekly show for him.
They found out that the SOTG offer fell through way too late and at that point ITG was already roaring and ready to go. There was no turning back at that point. Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show. There's more to it , im pretty sure. And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer. So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer? pretty much yes, EG wanted to control the show and when they couldnt do this they realised they can just boycott it and create their own clone of SOTG with idra/incontrol as hosts i hope stuff like this gets a warning or something. i might have called someone uneducated earlier in the thread (and got warned), but at least i wasnt just making shit up like this guy Yeah I'm really making shit up. What? Don't talk if you don't know anything. where did EG say oh we have to control everything or else we pull incontrol/idra and i dont want some bullshit where TYLER might have said it. unless JP himself says that's what EG was asking for or u have a screenshot of someone like sirscoots saying something like "OK EG will run the show or else idra/incontrol is out of here" Oh, so you'll take EG's word but not Tyler's? Ok, buddy. Also good job ignoring Jason Lake's post, you and other special people in this thread. I'm the biggest fucking Tyler-fanboy there is, but 1; He is obviously biased from past experiences with EG and 2; He is merely speculating. What he is suggesting may very well be the case, but at this point there is absolutely NO concrete fact to support it. Like half the shit in this thread..
Yea, I try to make it clear I don't know the full story and that I'm just speculating. But at the same time, I try to make it clear that it's absolutely ridiculous to think you'll get a good report from Alex Garfield of all people. No one knows the full story. An EG exec went on an EG show and did PR for 30 minutes. Who cares. It takes a ton of trust-building experiences with someone in such an obviously compromised position to be taken seriously. Their first explanation was like 1% truth. And now their second explanation is something more than 1% truth. It's still nowhere near 100% truth. Bullshit smiles at us all. All a man can do is smile back. JOKE
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On June 29 2011 11:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:22 erwthe wrote:On June 29 2011 11:15 Masaki wrote:On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:02 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:00 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 10:58 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:
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Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show.
There's more to it , im pretty sure. And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer. So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer? pretty much yes, EG wanted to control the show and when they couldnt do this they realised they can just boycott it and create their own clone of SOTG with idra/incontrol as hosts i hope stuff like this gets a warning or something. i might have called someone uneducated earlier in the thread (and got warned), but at least i wasnt just making shit up like this guy Yeah I'm really making shit up. What? Don't talk if you don't know anything. where did EG say oh we have to control everything or else we pull incontrol/idra and i dont want some bullshit where TYLER might have said it. unless JP himself says that's what EG was asking for or u have a screenshot of someone like sirscoots saying something like "OK EG will run the show or else idra/incontrol is out of here" Oh, so you'll take EG's word but not Tyler's? Ok, buddy. Also good job ignoring Jason Lake's post, you and other special people in this thread. I'm the biggest fucking Tyler-fanboy there is, but 1; He is obviously biased from past experiences with EG and 2; He is merely speculating. What he is suggesting may very well be the case, but at this point there is absolutely NO concrete fact to support it. Like half the shit in this thread.. Yea, I try to make it clear I don't know the full story and that I'm just speculating. But at the same time, I try to make it clear that it's absolutely ridiculous to think you'll get a good report from Alex Garfield of all people. No one knows the full story. An EG exec went on an EG show and did PR for 30 minutes. Who cares. It takes a ton of trust-building experiences with someone in such an obviously compromised position to be taken seriously. Their first explanation was like 1% truth. And now their second explanation is something more than 1% truth. It's still nowhere near 100% truth. Bullshit smiles at us all. All a man can do is smile back. JOKE
what would be 100% truth to you, tyler? like would EG have to produce a chat log or voice recording with JP and also like JP with jason lake and like soundblaster and steelseries (i assume this would have been EG's sponsor for the show)? this isnt meant as sarcasm, just curious what would be considered 100% truth for you.
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On June 29 2011 11:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:22 erwthe wrote:On June 29 2011 11:15 Masaki wrote:On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:02 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:00 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 10:58 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:
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Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show.
There's more to it , im pretty sure. And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer. So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer? pretty much yes, EG wanted to control the show and when they couldnt do this they realised they can just boycott it and create their own clone of SOTG with idra/incontrol as hosts i hope stuff like this gets a warning or something. i might have called someone uneducated earlier in the thread (and got warned), but at least i wasnt just making shit up like this guy Yeah I'm really making shit up. What? Don't talk if you don't know anything. where did EG say oh we have to control everything or else we pull incontrol/idra and i dont want some bullshit where TYLER might have said it. unless JP himself says that's what EG was asking for or u have a screenshot of someone like sirscoots saying something like "OK EG will run the show or else idra/incontrol is out of here" Oh, so you'll take EG's word but not Tyler's? Ok, buddy. Also good job ignoring Jason Lake's post, you and other special people in this thread. I'm the biggest fucking Tyler-fanboy there is, but 1; He is obviously biased from past experiences with EG and 2; He is merely speculating. What he is suggesting may very well be the case, but at this point there is absolutely NO concrete fact to support it. Like half the shit in this thread.. Yea, I try to make it clear I don't know the full story and that I'm just speculating. But at the same time, I try to make it clear that it's absolutely ridiculous to think you'll get a good report from Alex Garfield of all people. No one knows the full story. An EG exec went on an EG show and did PR for 30 minutes. Who cares. It takes a ton of trust-building experiences with someone in such an obviously compromised position to be taken seriously. Their first explanation was like 1% truth. And now their second explanation is something more than 1% truth. It's still nowhere near 100% truth. Bullshit smiles at us all. All a man can do is smile back. JOKE
Well, you can never truly expect 100% truth in nearly any circumstance in life - be it sports, politics, relationships, what have you. I don't expect 100% transparency, and there is no reason to expect it/desire it except for fulfilling our own egos / making ourselves happy inside.
I can understand frustration, but to insult a crew of people by just claiming they are only focused on the PR side of things - well, who wouldn't be? Isn't PR important? Isn't maintaining good PR what makes things right over time? I don't understand why its a bad thing to try and smooth things over after a rough beginning.
I can see why some people feel betrayed or whatnot, but the constant insulting and hostility is what has me put off. I don't think TL would have responded quite like this 4 or so years ago. In the light we see, the picture is painted to make incontrol look like a fairly logical person with reasonable decisions - but people still want to make him out to be a bad guy. I'm not sure why.
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personally im waiting for JP since he's the one who's actually talked to everyone, and knows why he didnt take EG's nor complexity's offers.
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On June 29 2011 11:40 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On June 29 2011 11:22 erwthe wrote:On June 29 2011 11:15 Masaki wrote:On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:02 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:00 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 10:58 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:
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And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer. So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer? pretty much yes, EG wanted to control the show and when they couldnt do this they realised they can just boycott it and create their own clone of SOTG with idra/incontrol as hosts i hope stuff like this gets a warning or something. i might have called someone uneducated earlier in the thread (and got warned), but at least i wasnt just making shit up like this guy Yeah I'm really making shit up. What? Don't talk if you don't know anything. where did EG say oh we have to control everything or else we pull incontrol/idra and i dont want some bullshit where TYLER might have said it. unless JP himself says that's what EG was asking for or u have a screenshot of someone like sirscoots saying something like "OK EG will run the show or else idra/incontrol is out of here" Oh, so you'll take EG's word but not Tyler's? Ok, buddy. Also good job ignoring Jason Lake's post, you and other special people in this thread. I'm the biggest fucking Tyler-fanboy there is, but 1; He is obviously biased from past experiences with EG and 2; He is merely speculating. What he is suggesting may very well be the case, but at this point there is absolutely NO concrete fact to support it. Like half the shit in this thread.. Yea, I try to make it clear I don't know the full story and that I'm just speculating. But at the same time, I try to make it clear that it's absolutely ridiculous to think you'll get a good report from Alex Garfield of all people. No one knows the full story. An EG exec went on an EG show and did PR for 30 minutes. Who cares. It takes a ton of trust-building experiences with someone in such an obviously compromised position to be taken seriously. Their first explanation was like 1% truth. And now their second explanation is something more than 1% truth. It's still nowhere near 100% truth. Bullshit smiles at us all. All a man can do is smile back. JOKE Well, you can never truly expect 100% truth in nearly any circumstance in life - be it sports, politics, relationships, what have you. I don't expect 100% transparency, and there is no reason to expect it/desire it except for fulfilling our own egos / making ourselves happy inside. I can understand frustration, but to insult a crew of people by just claiming they are only focused on the PR side of things - well, who wouldn't be? Isn't PR important? Isn't maintaining good PR what makes things right over time? I don't understand why its a bad thing to try and smooth things over after a rough beginning. I can see why some people feel betrayed or whatnot, but the constant insulting and hostility is what has me put off. I don't think TL would have responded quite like this 4 or so years ago. In the light we see, the picture is painted to make incontrol look like a fairly logical person with reasonable decisions - but people still want to make him out to be a bad guy. I'm not sure why.
I don't think people are making iNc out to be a bad guy, I think everyones making EG out to be the bad guy, with iNc stuck between a rock and a hard place.
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On June 29 2011 11:41 zev318 wrote:personally im waiting for JP since he's the one who's actually talked to everyone, and knows why he didnt take EG's nor complexity's offers.
to add even more speculation to a thread full of speculation: JP is working full time for MLG, and will be producing "content" for MLG.
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so i was right a week or two ago and wheat essentially told me to go fuck myself. (ESPORTS BRO)
for the record i am an incontrol fan, and have nothing against him.
but the attitude of wheat and EG management is truly disgusting.
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On June 29 2011 10:27 Kich wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 10:20 caelym wrote:
Seems to me like ITG shouldn't have been conceived at all, and geoff should use that free time to practice. the center of this drama seems to be who gets geoff, and geoff chose the side with more money over the more popular, grassroots show. I don't really get how you can come to that conclusion after having it explained to you, more than once, verbatim. SOTG was offered money -- EG's sponsors can't have Geoff on the show if they get that money -- IN AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP GEOFF ON THE SHOW EG OFFERED SOTG MONEY -- SOTG did not take their offer -- ITG was born to keep Geoff's income exactly on par with how much he would have been making if SOTG got that sponsorship since EG appreciates their players and encourages them to pursue any additional avenue of income -- SOTG did not get that sponsorship -- ITG was already ready to go, and could not back out at that point -- Geoff was able to go back to SOTG -- Geoff would have had to do SOTG, ITG, NASL, compete, and live his fucking life as a human being for christ's sake, and find time for his girlfriend -- Geoff left SOTG and NASL in order to free up time. As a plus, he also gets more money, which we should be happy for him about. Go Geoff. *Wave flag.* What. The. Fuck. People.
So let me get this straight, if SOTG had taken money from EG, iTG never would have been created and SOTG would have continued uninterrupted?
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On June 29 2011 11:43 SMD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:41 zev318 wrote:personally im waiting for JP since he's the one who's actually talked to everyone, and knows why he didnt take EG's nor complexity's offers. to add even more speculation to a thread full of speculation: JP is working full time for MLG, and will be producing "content" for MLG.
quite true, MLG is sponsored by........ astro, who makes headsets :O~~
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On June 29 2011 11:44 Vaporized wrote:
so i was right a week or two ago and wheat essentially told me to go fuck myself.
for the record i am an incontrol fan, and have nothing against him.
but the attitude of wheat and EG management is truly disgusting.
I don't know what your referring to, but I'd assume djWheat had little info about the situation as well, and was probably voicing his opinion of " stop speculation and making accusations if you don't know the truth"
He's seemed pretty reasonable to me in his responses on forums, and on his shows.
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On June 29 2011 11:45 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:43 SMD wrote:On June 29 2011 11:41 zev318 wrote:personally im waiting for JP since he's the one who's actually talked to everyone, and knows why he didnt take EG's nor complexity's offers. to add even more speculation to a thread full of speculation: JP is working full time for MLG, and will be producing "content" for MLG. quite true, MLG is sponsored by........ astro, who makes headsets :O~~
and tyler is sponsored by stride 
day9 sponsorship incoming?
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On June 29 2011 11:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:22 erwthe wrote:On June 29 2011 11:15 Masaki wrote:On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:02 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:00 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 10:58 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:
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Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show.
There's more to it , im pretty sure. And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer. So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer? pretty much yes, EG wanted to control the show and when they couldnt do this they realised they can just boycott it and create their own clone of SOTG with idra/incontrol as hosts i hope stuff like this gets a warning or something. i might have called someone uneducated earlier in the thread (and got warned), but at least i wasnt just making shit up like this guy Yeah I'm really making shit up. What? Don't talk if you don't know anything. where did EG say oh we have to control everything or else we pull incontrol/idra and i dont want some bullshit where TYLER might have said it. unless JP himself says that's what EG was asking for or u have a screenshot of someone like sirscoots saying something like "OK EG will run the show or else idra/incontrol is out of here" Oh, so you'll take EG's word but not Tyler's? Ok, buddy. Also good job ignoring Jason Lake's post, you and other special people in this thread. I'm the biggest fucking Tyler-fanboy there is, but 1; He is obviously biased from past experiences with EG and 2; He is merely speculating. What he is suggesting may very well be the case, but at this point there is absolutely NO concrete fact to support it. Like half the shit in this thread.. Yea, I try to make it clear I don't know the full story and that I'm just speculating. But at the same time, I try to make it clear that it's absolutely ridiculous to think you'll get a good report from Alex Garfield of all people. No one knows the full story. An EG exec went on an EG show and did PR for 30 minutes. Who cares. It takes a ton of trust-building experiences with someone in such an obviously compromised position to be taken seriously. Their first explanation was like 1% truth. And now their second explanation is something more than 1% truth. It's still nowhere near 100% truth. Bullshit smiles at us all. All a man can do is smile back. JOKE
EG isn't neutral, they are biased "towards themselves" of course. The speculation isn't bringing any more "truth" to the discussion though. All you're saying is "This might not be all there is to know, guys! EG is biased!" You're biased, too - you've said what you thought of EG earlier in this very thread. If JP thinks it has any value, I guess we might hear his side of the story - then we'll know how truthful EG was. Otherwise, their story seems to hold up fairly well, and Jason Lake confirmed at least a small part of it.
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Tyler da man
Yeah, it's ridiculous. Let's not forget we're talking about an organization that only decided to reveal the truth (and then do some sloppy damage control) when it was forced to.
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On June 29 2011 11:44 Vaporized wrote:
so i was right a week or two ago and wheat essentially told me to go fuck myself. (ESPORTS BRO)
for the record i am an incontrol fan, and have nothing against him.
but the attitude of wheat and EG management is truly disgusting.
not wanting to talk on people's behalf is truly disgusting, i agree with that.
hey guys, vaporized just said he like underaged boys. see what i did there?
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On June 29 2011 01:05 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 21:19 Duravi wrote:Any response to http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/ib2nv/the_last_piece_of_evidence_re_sotg_eg/? Assuming there is some validity to this post it seems pretty funny after how much they (EG) were trolling the community about "conspiracy theories"... I personally have nothing against EG or scoots (I actually like his personality when he appears on many shows) and I would totally understand if there was a sponsor conflict but the apparent intentional lack of transparency here looks pretty disgusting (assuming it's not just scoots meta-trolling). I agree with Destiny. I wouldn't ever want to do business with EG. On a personal level, I like a lot of EG people. But professionally, EG is a joke.
great post imo
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On June 29 2011 11:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:22 erwthe wrote:On June 29 2011 11:15 Masaki wrote:On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:02 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:00 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 10:58 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:
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Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show.
There's more to it , im pretty sure. And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer. So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer? pretty much yes, EG wanted to control the show and when they couldnt do this they realised they can just boycott it and create their own clone of SOTG with idra/incontrol as hosts i hope stuff like this gets a warning or something. i might have called someone uneducated earlier in the thread (and got warned), but at least i wasnt just making shit up like this guy Yeah I'm really making shit up. What? Don't talk if you don't know anything. where did EG say oh we have to control everything or else we pull incontrol/idra and i dont want some bullshit where TYLER might have said it. unless JP himself says that's what EG was asking for or u have a screenshot of someone like sirscoots saying something like "OK EG will run the show or else idra/incontrol is out of here" Oh, so you'll take EG's word but not Tyler's? Ok, buddy. Also good job ignoring Jason Lake's post, you and other special people in this thread. I'm the biggest fucking Tyler-fanboy there is, but 1; He is obviously biased from past experiences with EG and 2; He is merely speculating. What he is suggesting may very well be the case, but at this point there is absolutely NO concrete fact to support it. Like half the shit in this thread.. Yea, I try to make it clear I don't know the full story and that I'm just speculating. But at the same time, I try to make it clear that it's absolutely ridiculous to think you'll get a good report from Alex Garfield of all people. No one knows the full story. An EG exec went on an EG show and did PR for 30 minutes. Who cares. It takes a ton of trust-building experiences with someone in such an obviously compromised position to be taken seriously. Their first explanation was like 1% truth. And now their second explanation is something more than 1% truth. It's still nowhere near 100% truth. Bullshit smiles at us all. All a man can do is smile back. JOKE
No disrepect Tyler but you stated earlier that you didn't like EG as an organization but you did say you were friends with all the players on that team, do you not believe what Geoff has told you? Are you saying anything he has said is also PR bullshit??
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you did say you were friends with all the players on that team, do you not believe what Geoff has told you?
people can be friends and still disagree about certain issues.
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On June 29 2011 11:48 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:44 Vaporized wrote:
so i was right a week or two ago and wheat essentially told me to go fuck myself. (ESPORTS BRO)
for the record i am an incontrol fan, and have nothing against him.
but the attitude of wheat and EG management is truly disgusting. not wanting to talk on people's behalf is truly disgusting, i agree with that. hey guys, vaporized just said he like underaged boys. see what i did there?
then he shouldnt have said anything.
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On June 29 2011 11:51 Powerforged2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On June 29 2011 11:22 erwthe wrote:On June 29 2011 11:15 Masaki wrote:On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:02 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:00 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 10:58 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:
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And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer. So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer? pretty much yes, EG wanted to control the show and when they couldnt do this they realised they can just boycott it and create their own clone of SOTG with idra/incontrol as hosts i hope stuff like this gets a warning or something. i might have called someone uneducated earlier in the thread (and got warned), but at least i wasnt just making shit up like this guy Yeah I'm really making shit up. What? Don't talk if you don't know anything. where did EG say oh we have to control everything or else we pull incontrol/idra and i dont want some bullshit where TYLER might have said it. unless JP himself says that's what EG was asking for or u have a screenshot of someone like sirscoots saying something like "OK EG will run the show or else idra/incontrol is out of here" Oh, so you'll take EG's word but not Tyler's? Ok, buddy. Also good job ignoring Jason Lake's post, you and other special people in this thread. I'm the biggest fucking Tyler-fanboy there is, but 1; He is obviously biased from past experiences with EG and 2; He is merely speculating. What he is suggesting may very well be the case, but at this point there is absolutely NO concrete fact to support it. Like half the shit in this thread.. Yea, I try to make it clear I don't know the full story and that I'm just speculating. But at the same time, I try to make it clear that it's absolutely ridiculous to think you'll get a good report from Alex Garfield of all people. No one knows the full story. An EG exec went on an EG show and did PR for 30 minutes. Who cares. It takes a ton of trust-building experiences with someone in such an obviously compromised position to be taken seriously. Their first explanation was like 1% truth. And now their second explanation is something more than 1% truth. It's still nowhere near 100% truth. Bullshit smiles at us all. All a man can do is smile back. JOKE No disrepect Tyler but you stated earlier that you didn't like EG as an organization but you did say you were friends with all the players on that team, do you not believe what Geoff has told you? Are you saying anything he has said is also PR bullshit??
he only said he liked "a lot" of the people at EG. so technically he could not like incontrol..........
i kid i kid, just laugh guys.
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