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On June 29 2011 11:15 Masaki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:02 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:00 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 10:58 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:45 Kich wrote:On June 29 2011 10:40 smallerk wrote:
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ok, what? Maybe i havent been listening to the stream closely enough, can you explain? In an attempt to keep Geoff on SOTG, they (EG) worked with their sponsors to give SOTG their own offer, which would let Geoff stay on the show. SOTG did not take their offer. I'm not sure how much more clearly that can be explained. After that didn't work, they assumed (since they received no information from JP) that JP was taking the other offer. Only at that point did EG start to create ITG--they didn't want Geoff to lose money because they respect their players and try to do as much as they can for them. They made a fucking weekly show for him. They found out that the SOTG offer fell through way too late and at that point ITG was already roaring and ready to go. There was no turning back at that point. Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show. There's more to it , im pretty sure. And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer. So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer? pretty much yes, EG wanted to control the show and when they couldnt do this they realised they can just boycott it and create their own clone of SOTG with idra/incontrol as hosts i hope stuff like this gets a warning or something. i might have called someone uneducated earlier in the thread (and got warned), but at least i wasnt just making shit up like this guy Yeah I'm really making shit up. What? Don't talk if you don't know anything. where did EG say oh we have to control everything or else we pull incontrol/idra and i dont want some bullshit where TYLER might have said it. unless JP himself says that's what EG was asking for or u have a screenshot of someone like sirscoots saying something like "OK EG will run the show or else idra/incontrol is out of here" Oh, so you'll take EG's word but not Tyler's? Ok, buddy. Also good job ignoring Jason Lake's post, you and other special people in this thread.
unless tyler runs SOTG, why would i listen to him? JP runs the show as far as i know and handle the business of it, so coming from JP is 100% true. tyler already hates EG.
what did i ignore? jason lake didnt say EG asked to control the show.
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now i can't cite any sources for this but from what I hear JP is in close talks to have SOTG sponsored by horses, indians, and totalbiscuit and thats why geoff is no longer on the show.
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On June 29 2011 11:16 EGalex wrote:
I think the stream must've lagged during arguably the most important part of my appearance on the show, because I think that if people heard it, they wouldn't be arguing back and forth about the past as much. Maybe I'm wrong, though.
Anyway, I stated directly on the show (unfortunately, it was when the stream went down) that EG will not prevent iNcontroL from being on SotG. I've already messaged JP informing him of that statement on iTg. Geoff wants to be back on the show, so hopefully, the necessary parties will be in touch soon and it can be made a reality quickly.
It was a pretty bad moment for the stream to lag out, that's for sure.
I'm not so sure it lagged, I think people are just frothing at the mouth to stir shit up.
I don't know how many people could listen to you on ITG tonight and not be sympathetic to both sides. In my eyes, you explained it well and made it pretty clear that there was no malicious behaviour going on. I can't help but feel that anyone making angry posts don't really understand the situation or didn't listen to what you said.
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On June 29 2011 11:17 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:05 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:02 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:00 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 10:58 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:45 Kich wrote:
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In an attempt to keep Geoff on SOTG, they (EG) worked with their sponsors to give SOTG their own offer, which would let Geoff stay on the show.
SOTG did not take their offer.
I'm not sure how much more clearly that can be explained.
After that didn't work, they assumed (since they received no information from JP) that JP was taking the other offer.
Only at that point did EG start to create ITG--they didn't want Geoff to lose money because they respect their players and try to do as much as they can for them. They made a fucking weekly show for him.
They found out that the SOTG offer fell through way too late and at that point ITG was already roaring and ready to go. There was no turning back at that point. Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show. There's more to it , im pretty sure. And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer. So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer? pretty much yes, EG wanted to control the show and when they couldnt do this they realised they can just boycott it and create their own clone of SOTG with idra/incontrol as hosts i hope stuff like this gets a warning or something. i might have called someone uneducated earlier in the thread (and got warned), but at least i wasnt just making shit up like this guy Yeah I'm really making shit up. What? Don't talk if you don't know anything. where did EG say oh we have to control everything or else we pull incontrol/idra They had to control what sponsors appeared on the show, which pretty much had to be EG's sponsors or else Geoff couldn't be a pillar, and while IdrA wasn't a host he appeared quite frequently and may as well have been a pillar by the end of it all. Sirscoots even said Idra/incontrol cant be pillars and can only appear as guests now in the skype convo... Grats for not reading the thread of course they cant be pillars cause pillars are like hosts on SOTG and if the show had really gotten soundblaster as their sponsor, u think soundblaster would allow incontrol/idra as hosts to give a shout out to steelseries, a competitor to soundblaster? and if not, u think steelseries would be happy with their sponsorship? no. grat for not understanding business.
JP didn't accept the Soundblaster sponsorship PRECISELY because he would lose Incontrol.
You are truly special.
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On June 29 2011 11:21 Masaki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:17 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:05 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:02 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:00 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 10:58 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:
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Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show.
There's more to it , im pretty sure. And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer. So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer? pretty much yes, EG wanted to control the show and when they couldnt do this they realised they can just boycott it and create their own clone of SOTG with idra/incontrol as hosts i hope stuff like this gets a warning or something. i might have called someone uneducated earlier in the thread (and got warned), but at least i wasnt just making shit up like this guy Yeah I'm really making shit up. What? Don't talk if you don't know anything. where did EG say oh we have to control everything or else we pull incontrol/idra They had to control what sponsors appeared on the show, which pretty much had to be EG's sponsors or else Geoff couldn't be a pillar, and while IdrA wasn't a host he appeared quite frequently and may as well have been a pillar by the end of it all. Sirscoots even said Idra/incontrol cant be pillars and can only appear as guests now in the skype convo... Grats for not reading the thread of course they cant be pillars cause pillars are like hosts on SOTG and if the show had really gotten soundblaster as their sponsor, u think soundblaster would allow incontrol/idra as hosts to give a shout out to steelseries, a competitor to soundblaster? and if not, u think steelseries would be happy with their sponsorship? no. grat for not understanding business. JP didn't accept the Soundblaster sponsorship PRECISELY because he would lose Incontrol. You are truly special.
ok? that's why scoots said he could still guest on it, just NOT be a pillar.
as a host u have obligations towards the sponsor of the show, but as a guest u dont really have any. that's the difference, so as a host, incontrol wouldnt be able to give any shoutouts to steelseries, but as a guest he could.
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On June 29 2011 11:15 Masaki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:02 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:00 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 10:58 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:45 Kich wrote:On June 29 2011 10:40 smallerk wrote:
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ok, what? Maybe i havent been listening to the stream closely enough, can you explain? In an attempt to keep Geoff on SOTG, they (EG) worked with their sponsors to give SOTG their own offer, which would let Geoff stay on the show. SOTG did not take their offer. I'm not sure how much more clearly that can be explained. After that didn't work, they assumed (since they received no information from JP) that JP was taking the other offer. Only at that point did EG start to create ITG--they didn't want Geoff to lose money because they respect their players and try to do as much as they can for them. They made a fucking weekly show for him. They found out that the SOTG offer fell through way too late and at that point ITG was already roaring and ready to go. There was no turning back at that point. Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show. There's more to it , im pretty sure. And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer. So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer? pretty much yes, EG wanted to control the show and when they couldnt do this they realised they can just boycott it and create their own clone of SOTG with idra/incontrol as hosts i hope stuff like this gets a warning or something. i might have called someone uneducated earlier in the thread (and got warned), but at least i wasnt just making shit up like this guy Yeah I'm really making shit up. What? Don't talk if you don't know anything. where did EG say oh we have to control everything or else we pull incontrol/idra and i dont want some bullshit where TYLER might have said it. unless JP himself says that's what EG was asking for or u have a screenshot of someone like sirscoots saying something like "OK EG will run the show or else idra/incontrol is out of here" Oh, so you'll take EG's word but not Tyler's? Ok, buddy. Also good job ignoring Jason Lake's post, you and other special people in this thread.
I'm the biggest fucking Tyler-fanboy there is, but 1; He is obviously biased from past experiences with EG and 2; He is merely speculating. What he is suggesting may very well be the case, but at this point there is absolutely NO concrete fact to support it. Like half the shit in this thread..
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As a bystander looking at the arguements for this conversation, I will straight up say that not a single arguement by the people stating that EG is simply "looking for control" of SOTG looks remotely reasonable, while there have been many posts (citing evidence even) that there were other, valid reasons why EG had to pull iNcontrol. Call me biased, but this thread is starting to look like a complete shitstorm.
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On June 29 2011 11:19 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:15 Masaki wrote:On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:02 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:00 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 10:58 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:45 Kich wrote:
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In an attempt to keep Geoff on SOTG, they (EG) worked with their sponsors to give SOTG their own offer, which would let Geoff stay on the show.
SOTG did not take their offer.
I'm not sure how much more clearly that can be explained.
After that didn't work, they assumed (since they received no information from JP) that JP was taking the other offer.
Only at that point did EG start to create ITG--they didn't want Geoff to lose money because they respect their players and try to do as much as they can for them. They made a fucking weekly show for him.
They found out that the SOTG offer fell through way too late and at that point ITG was already roaring and ready to go. There was no turning back at that point. Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show. There's more to it , im pretty sure. And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer. So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer? pretty much yes, EG wanted to control the show and when they couldnt do this they realised they can just boycott it and create their own clone of SOTG with idra/incontrol as hosts i hope stuff like this gets a warning or something. i might have called someone uneducated earlier in the thread (and got warned), but at least i wasnt just making shit up like this guy Yeah I'm really making shit up. What? Don't talk if you don't know anything. where did EG say oh we have to control everything or else we pull incontrol/idra and i dont want some bullshit where TYLER might have said it. unless JP himself says that's what EG was asking for or u have a screenshot of someone like sirscoots saying something like "OK EG will run the show or else idra/incontrol is out of here" Oh, so you'll take EG's word but not Tyler's? Ok, buddy. Also good job ignoring Jason Lake's post, you and other special people in this thread. unless tyler runs SOTG, why would i listen to him? JP runs the show as far as i know and handle the business of it, so coming from JP is 100% true. tyler already hates EG. what did i ignore? jason lake didnt say EG asked to control the show.
Dude, if you think Tyler has no idea what's going on behind SotG, there's nothing I can say other than you are completely and totally delusional.
And the LEAST smart thing for JP to do right now is to get involved in this shit.
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On June 29 2011 11:09 Sipher wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:05 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:01 Sipher wrote:
I feel like the phrase "sell out" is used far too often. Typically by immature teenagers, or even adults. A person needs to earn a living for his/her future, and for the support of his/her future or present family.
This is a man's number one priority: to provide for my family. Nothing else should be higher on your priority list. NOTHING. Because it is quite a shitty feeling (I'm assuming) to not be able to provide for your own family. So in my view, there is no selling out. There is only looking out for one's own family (like I said, future or present; it's never too early to think about your family), especially in this economy, get the best deal possible.
Oh and for those of you thinking Incontrol is not thinking about future family, don't be ridiculous. I believe he said he plans to propose to his girlfriend in the future, and obviously they will have children in the future. As this is the way of life. im with u on this one, guess everyone in the world who works to earn a living is a sellout cause u know, they're working for THE MAN, and not themselves. Instead of going on a rant about the way of life, maybe you should wonder why did it have to come to the point of EG having to make a separate state of the game clone, why couldnt geoff keep doing sotg and eg sponsored it? Because eg put its interests first, they didnt care about sotg, they didnt care about what the community would lose, they only cared about making money. Did you not listen to the show?? EG did offer SOTG money. SOTG rejected the offer, thus they made their own show. What is so complicated about that, that you don't understand? It makes me sad to be on the opposite side of a fellow Portugee
why didn't SOTG accept the offer? Maybe EG wanted to do something to the show that JP didn't want. Why would anyone reject free money unless it meant they had to change the show. Complexity offered sponsorship also from their sponsors, but JP chose not to take up on it due to losing incontrol; but other than losing incontrol JP was interested in it.
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On June 29 2011 11:19 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:15 Masaki wrote:On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:02 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:00 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 10:58 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:45 Kich wrote:
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In an attempt to keep Geoff on SOTG, they (EG) worked with their sponsors to give SOTG their own offer, which would let Geoff stay on the show.
SOTG did not take their offer.
I'm not sure how much more clearly that can be explained.
After that didn't work, they assumed (since they received no information from JP) that JP was taking the other offer.
Only at that point did EG start to create ITG--they didn't want Geoff to lose money because they respect their players and try to do as much as they can for them. They made a fucking weekly show for him.
They found out that the SOTG offer fell through way too late and at that point ITG was already roaring and ready to go. There was no turning back at that point. Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show. There's more to it , im pretty sure. And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer. So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer? pretty much yes, EG wanted to control the show and when they couldnt do this they realised they can just boycott it and create their own clone of SOTG with idra/incontrol as hosts i hope stuff like this gets a warning or something. i might have called someone uneducated earlier in the thread (and got warned), but at least i wasnt just making shit up like this guy Yeah I'm really making shit up. What? Don't talk if you don't know anything. where did EG say oh we have to control everything or else we pull incontrol/idra and i dont want some bullshit where TYLER might have said it. unless JP himself says that's what EG was asking for or u have a screenshot of someone like sirscoots saying something like "OK EG will run the show or else idra/incontrol is out of here" Oh, so you'll take EG's word but not Tyler's? Ok, buddy. Also good job ignoring Jason Lake's post, you and other special people in this thread. unless tyler runs SOTG, why would i listen to him? JP runs the show as far as i know and handle the business of it, so coming from JP is 100% true. tyler already hates EG. what did i ignore? jason lake didnt say EG asked to control the show.
Tyler doesn't hate EG, stop resorting to hyperboles...
Edit: After seeing some of Tyler's posts you may be right, he at least isn't fond of them as an organisation, my apologies!
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On June 29 2011 11:24 Masaki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:19 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:15 Masaki wrote:On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:02 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:00 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 10:58 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:
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Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show.
There's more to it , im pretty sure. And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer. So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer? pretty much yes, EG wanted to control the show and when they couldnt do this they realised they can just boycott it and create their own clone of SOTG with idra/incontrol as hosts i hope stuff like this gets a warning or something. i might have called someone uneducated earlier in the thread (and got warned), but at least i wasnt just making shit up like this guy Yeah I'm really making shit up. What? Don't talk if you don't know anything. where did EG say oh we have to control everything or else we pull incontrol/idra and i dont want some bullshit where TYLER might have said it. unless JP himself says that's what EG was asking for or u have a screenshot of someone like sirscoots saying something like "OK EG will run the show or else idra/incontrol is out of here" Oh, so you'll take EG's word but not Tyler's? Ok, buddy. Also good job ignoring Jason Lake's post, you and other special people in this thread. unless tyler runs SOTG, why would i listen to him? JP runs the show as far as i know and handle the business of it, so coming from JP is 100% true. tyler already hates EG. what did i ignore? jason lake didnt say EG asked to control the show. Dude, if you think Tyler has no idea what's going on behind SotG, there's nothing I can say other than you are completely and totally delusional. And the LEAST smart thing for JP to do right now is to get involved in this shit.
im not saying he doesnt, obviously he talks to JP. but u think he knows EVERYTHING? u think people talk to tyler about sponsoring the show? no, they talk to JP cause he runs it (AFAIK), i dont wanna hear shit second hand, id much rather hear it straight from the source.
JP doesnt have to get involved, im not asking him to, all im saying is unless he says something, im not really gonna go off of second hand info.
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On June 29 2011 10:20 Senx wrote:
So this is really coming down to JP not agreeing with EGs sponsor proposition to be able to keep geoff on the show..
stop making it sound like that
its not like JP sold out to some other sponsor. he wanted to keep the show unsponsored so he can run it the way he does, which is why its the best show in sc2
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On June 29 2011 11:25 eNbee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:19 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:15 Masaki wrote:On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:02 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:00 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 10:58 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:
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Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show.
There's more to it , im pretty sure. And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer. So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer? pretty much yes, EG wanted to control the show and when they couldnt do this they realised they can just boycott it and create their own clone of SOTG with idra/incontrol as hosts i hope stuff like this gets a warning or something. i might have called someone uneducated earlier in the thread (and got warned), but at least i wasnt just making shit up like this guy Yeah I'm really making shit up. What? Don't talk if you don't know anything. where did EG say oh we have to control everything or else we pull incontrol/idra and i dont want some bullshit where TYLER might have said it. unless JP himself says that's what EG was asking for or u have a screenshot of someone like sirscoots saying something like "OK EG will run the show or else idra/incontrol is out of here" Oh, so you'll take EG's word but not Tyler's? Ok, buddy. Also good job ignoring Jason Lake's post, you and other special people in this thread. unless tyler runs SOTG, why would i listen to him? JP runs the show as far as i know and handle the business of it, so coming from JP is 100% true. tyler already hates EG. what did i ignore? jason lake didnt say EG asked to control the show. Tyler doesn't hate EG, stop resorting to hyperboles...
he does "not like" EG as an organization, or at the very least, they're not "professional" enough for him, is that better?
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On June 29 2011 11:16 EGalex wrote:
I think the stream must've lagged during arguably the most important part of my appearance on the show, because I think that if people heard it, they wouldn't be arguing back and forth about the past as much. Maybe I'm wrong, though.
Anyway, I stated directly on the show (unfortunately, it was when the stream went down) that EG will not prevent iNcontroL from being on SotG. I've already messaged JP informing him of that statement on iTg. Geoff wants to be back on the show, so hopefully, the necessary parties will be in touch soon and it can be made a reality quickly.
It was a pretty bad moment for the stream to lag out, that's for sure.
Thanks for posting this. I didn't listen to your statement on ITG, so I have a genuine question - is Incontrol allowed back on SOTG because SOTG's sponsorship deal fell through or has the whole issue been resolved? What I'm concerned about is going through the same problems in a few months, when JP gets another deal.
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On June 29 2011 11:24 Masaki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 11:19 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:15 Masaki wrote:On June 29 2011 11:03 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 11:02 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 11:00 zev318 wrote:On June 29 2011 10:58 Maliris wrote:On June 29 2011 10:52 smallerk wrote:On June 29 2011 10:49 holy_war wrote:On June 29 2011 10:48 smallerk wrote:
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Im pretty sure there must be more to it than "sotg did not take their offer" , incontrol is the most valuable co host of the show, im pretty sure they wouldnt just "deny" an offer that was the only option to keep incontrol on the show.
There's more to it , im pretty sure. And Tyler's response backed it up. Ok so what i take from tyler's response is: The only way incontrol would have been able to keep doing sotg is if sotg took eg's offer, which would mean something bad enough that JP didnt want to take the offer. So basically scumbag eg wanted control over the show, something like that i would assume.Just speculating now, but why else wouldnt sotg take eg's offer? pretty much yes, EG wanted to control the show and when they couldnt do this they realised they can just boycott it and create their own clone of SOTG with idra/incontrol as hosts i hope stuff like this gets a warning or something. i might have called someone uneducated earlier in the thread (and got warned), but at least i wasnt just making shit up like this guy Yeah I'm really making shit up. What? Don't talk if you don't know anything. where did EG say oh we have to control everything or else we pull incontrol/idra and i dont want some bullshit where TYLER might have said it. unless JP himself says that's what EG was asking for or u have a screenshot of someone like sirscoots saying something like "OK EG will run the show or else idra/incontrol is out of here" Oh, so you'll take EG's word but not Tyler's? Ok, buddy. Also good job ignoring Jason Lake's post, you and other special people in this thread. unless tyler runs SOTG, why would i listen to him? JP runs the show as far as i know and handle the business of it, so coming from JP is 100% true. tyler already hates EG. what did i ignore? jason lake didnt say EG asked to control the show. Dude, if you think Tyler has no idea what's going on behind SotG, there's nothing I can say other than you are completely and totally delusional. And the LEAST smart thing for JP to do right now is to get involved in this shit.
On June 29 2011 10:41 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
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I do not know the details of any of these sponsorship offers. But I find it ridiculous to discuss them like they're all equal. Or like when you know one detail that is different, you act like it's the only difference, and it's the crucial difference. I highly doubt that's the case.
Read more carefully next time. And stop spurring on the drama please.
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I'm listening now to some older SotG's and "SotG - 5.20.10" especially with Artosis it is pure gold. @ 23 minutes mark (and on) there's some funny sh*t with Day9 and Artosis. They have great synergy for sure and would imo be the best "replacement" for Geoff.
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The biggest question is where the hell is JP? I mean seriously get some people around a freaking table. What does JP have to say?
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On June 29 2011 10:31 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 10:25 Fishriot wrote:On June 29 2011 10:24 rotegirte wrote:On June 29 2011 10:22 Fishriot wrote:On June 29 2011 10:19 rotegirte wrote:On June 29 2011 10:17 Fishriot wrote:On June 29 2011 10:10 rotegirte wrote:On June 29 2011 10:09 Fishriot wrote:On June 29 2011 10:03 rotegirte wrote:On June 29 2011 10:00 Fishriot wrote:
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I fail to even see what you are trying to argue here. I didn't mention JP at all in my original post. Neither did I say sponsorships are a bad thing. The bottom line (in my opinion of course) is that EG as a company was extremely deceptive in this situation. I have ABSOLUTELY nothing against iNcontroL, JP, or anyone other than the management of EG. Did you even listen to Alex' statements as to why EG was most of the time unable to make statements due to lack of information and the rest of the time unwilling to speak on behalf of JP? There is a difference between being unable to make a statement , and making a false statement. The statement they made was perfectly true without touching other people's (JP's) business. Going back and forth with you isn't getting anybody anywhere. What I got from EG (before today) was that they had nothing to do with iNcontroL leaving SotG. According to what Alex said a few minutes ago, the opposite was true. Then tell me now in retrospective, which statement EG should have made, without putting JP in a bad light? Like I said in the post above this one, Alex talked to JP before coming on ITG today, and probably could have don the same thing when iNcontroL announced that he was leaving SotG. And what gives you the impression that EG didn't talk with JP in the past months? Obviously it was 100% EG's decision that JP chose not to shed light on that matter in the last SOTG episode, no? Give me a break. EG's decision that JP chose not to say anything? Give me a break. You do know that a role a [..],no? plays within a sentence? Let me recap your last posts: Me: What could EG have done? You: Speak with JP and come out with the story Me: What makes you think they didn't speak with JP? It is highly likely they did, but the result in last SOTG episode nevertheless was that JP still didn't give out any information on his side despite Geoff being forced to give some explanation. So your whole argument is based on "EG and JP could have figured out a mutual public statement". But you are ignoring the fact they very well could have spoken with each other and obviously it takes both sides to make such a statement work.
So to sum this up, you think it is weird that JP just sat on the sideline in all of this when he infact was in the center of all going on behind the scenes.
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On June 29 2011 11:23 Antimatterz wrote:
As a bystander looking at the arguements for this conversation, I will straight up say that not a single arguement by the people stating that EG is simply "looking for control" of SOTG looks remotely reasonable, while there have been many posts (citing evidence even) that there were other, valid reasons why EG had to pull iNcontrol. Call me biased, but this thread is starting to look like a complete shitstorm.
Oh Antimatterz, you're so naive.
This thread has ALWAYS looked like a complete shitstorm. 
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On June 29 2011 10:27 Kich wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 10:20 caelym wrote:
Seems to me like ITG shouldn't have been conceived at all, and geoff should use that free time to practice. the center of this drama seems to be who gets geoff, and geoff chose the side with more money over the more popular, grassroots show. I don't really get how you can come to that conclusion after having it explained to you, more than once, verbatim. SOTG was offered money -- EG's sponsors can't have Geoff on the show if they get that money -- IN AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP GEOFF ON THE SHOW EG OFFERED SOTG MONEY -- SOTG did not take their offer -- ITG was born to keep Geoff's income exactly on par with how much he would have been making if SOTG got that sponsorship since EG appreciates their players and encourages them to pursue any additional avenue of income -- SOTG did not get that sponsorship -- ITG was already ready to go, and could not back out at that point -- Geoff was able to go back to SOTG -- Geoff would have had to do SOTG, ITG, NASL, compete, and live his fucking life as a human being for christ's sake, and find time for his girlfriend -- Geoff left SOTG and NASL in order to free up time. As a plus, he also gets more money, which we should be happy for him about. Go Geoff. *Wave flag.* What. The. Fuck. People.
I just hope he still has the time to make those youtube videos he said he would soon have the time to make as he was leaving SOTG. I bet those will be awesome it'd be a shame not to get them!
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