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On June 02 2011 16:55 Maliris wrote:
I was shocked that Incontrol had the audacity to group EG with mouz and dignitas as if they are somehow on the same level of skill, his constant advertising for EG is getting tiresome. They have demuslim and idra and a bunch of americans and he feels like their combined skill is somehow comparable to dominant players like Sjow, thorzain, naniwa, select, mana, hasuobs etc
moreover i found the disparaging comments he made towards "-_-" downright disgusting, I think he has really got too big for his boots treating everyone that disagrees with him like shit and just lumping them into the "random hater" group like some elitist. As others in the thread have said incontrol is a niche entertainer and commentator and would do well to remember that...
Umm IdrA iNcontroL and Demuslim are insanely good... Only reason iNcontroL didn't make it to finals was because his PvP at the time needed work. Demuslim was a beast before he broke his hand and IdrA... is ****ing idra! Mouz has Thorzain as their top dog, Dignitas has Select and Naniwa. I think you can put EG up there.
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On June 02 2011 17:03 GoKu` wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 16:55 Maliris wrote:
I was shocked that Incontrol had the audacity to group EG with mouz and dignitas as if they are somehow on the same level of skill, his constant advertising for EG is getting tiresome. They have demuslim and idra and a bunch of americans and he feels like their combined skill is somehow comparable to dominant players like Sjow, thorzain, naniwa, select, mana, hasuobs etc
moreover i found the disparaging comments he made towards "-_-" downright disgusting, I think he has really got too big for his boots treating everyone that disagrees with him like shit and just lumping them into the "random hater" group like some elitist. As others in the thread have said incontrol is a niche entertainer and commentator and would do well to remember that... Umm IdrA iNcontroL and Demuslim are insanely good... Only reason iNcontroL didn't make it to finals was because his PvP at the time needed work. Demuslim was a beast before he broke his hand and IdrA... is ****ing idra! Mouz has Thorzain as their top dog, Dignitas has Select and Naniwa. I think you can put EG up there.
incontrol is definitely not on the same level as demuslim and idra, make all the excuses you want for him
I think you can not put EG up there.
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On June 02 2011 16:55 Maliris wrote:
I was shocked that Incontrol had the audacity to group EG with mouz and dignitas as if they are somehow on the same level of skill, his constant advertising for EG is getting tiresome. They have demuslim and idra and a bunch of americans and he feels like their combined skill is somehow comparable to dominant players like Sjow, thorzain, naniwa, select, mana, hasuobs etc
moreover i found the disparaging comments he made towards "-_-" downright disgusting, I think he has really got too big for his boots treating everyone that disagrees with him like shit and just lumping them into the "random hater" group like some elitist. As others in the thread have said incontrol is a niche entertainer and commentator and would do well to remember that...
I know dude as soon as Incontrol spoke I could not stop vomiting and then I just cried myself to sleep. I was going to post about how evil he is but my hands were trembling so bad I had to distract myself by PLAYING STARCRAFT 2 (It was horrible... everything is so imbalanced I started dry heaving ) until I was calm enough to get back to my normal hobby of judging people on forums.
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On June 02 2011 17:03 GoKu` wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 16:55 Maliris wrote:
I was shocked that Incontrol had the audacity to group EG with mouz and dignitas as if they are somehow on the same level of skill, his constant advertising for EG is getting tiresome. They have demuslim and idra and a bunch of americans and he feels like their combined skill is somehow comparable to dominant players like Sjow, thorzain, naniwa, select, mana, hasuobs etc
moreover i found the disparaging comments he made towards "-_-" downright disgusting, I think he has really got too big for his boots treating everyone that disagrees with him like shit and just lumping them into the "random hater" group like some elitist. As others in the thread have said incontrol is a niche entertainer and commentator and would do well to remember that... Umm IdrA iNcontroL and Demuslim are insanely good... Only reason iNcontroL didn't make it to finals was because his PvP at the time needed work. Demuslim was a beast before he broke his hand and IdrA... is ****ing idra! Mouz has Thorzain as their top dog, Dignitas has Select and Naniwa. I think you can put EG up there.
That's like saying that EG has Idra, Inc and Demuslim, and oGs has MC, so you can kinda put EG up there with oGs because oGs only have one consistently good player. :D
What you actually missed is that Mouz and Dignitas have a bunch of other people that are easily better than the EG filler players (which includes Incontrol).
Besides, Thorzain only just joined Mouz, to say that he is their top dog and completely ignore the existance of Morrow and Hasu is just silly.
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To Incontrol: I was very sad that you are going to stop doing State Of The Game: your style will be missed by the audience, do not let the trolls fool you otherwise 
To the language usage debate: I think that Destiny's point of view is really, really childish in one thing. Using the n-word and the rape-word is not something that should define you as a human. If you think that it is important to cling to that two words (because rape is a triggerword for rape victims, other is considered racist...), that is really, really, really bad.
Sometimes one has to man up, and realize that if his "style" might actually HURT people who were originally coming to see some fun StarCraft 2 action (not to mention if you actually gain money by streaming!), and drop those words. You can still swear, and you might or might not alienate someone who is too sensitive to swearing, but the sarcasm of "dead, nuke" being in the same category as "rape" was really, really unneccessary and FALSE. So I would love to see you realize that, drop that two words from your vocabulary, and become a better person by doing it.
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On June 02 2011 17:05 Maliris wrote:
incontrol is definitely not on the same level as demuslim and idra, make all the excuses you want for him
mlg says otherwise, but i guess that due to imbalance 
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On June 02 2011 17:08 Oldern wrote:
You can still swear, and you might or might not alienate someone who is too sensitive to swearing, but the sarcasm of "dead, nuke" being in the same category as "rape" was really, really unneccessary and FALSE. So I would love to see you realize that, drop that two words from your vocabulary, and become a better person by doing it.
Except you don't actually become a better person at all by deciding to stop saying some words in a completely non-offensive context. Dead and nuked can easily be in the same category as raped, too. It's not false comparison at all, you just choose to interpret it the other way (just like we choose to interpret a way gamers use "raped" in a completely non-offensive way).
There's a lot worse things than saying "raped" on your own stream in the SC2 scene - such as disrespecting or straight insulting other players and members of the community, for example. If we're really that sensitive about keeping the scene "clean", then I'd say it's much more important to deal with the issue of people actually insulting other people, rather than just saying some words in a completely non-offensive context.
For all his swearing on the stream, I'd bet that Destiny pissed off a lot less people than Incontrol did with his regular jabs at everything and anything (even though he never used the word "rape").
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On June 02 2011 17:14 freetgy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 17:05 Maliris wrote:
incontrol is definitely not on the same level as demuslim and idra, make all the excuses you want for him
mlg says otherwise, but i guess that due to imbalance
top4 mlg after cheesing everyone is the same as top8 in the GSL? Interesting
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On June 02 2011 15:39 Beef Noodles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 15:34 Heavenly wrote:On June 02 2011 15:28 Beef Noodles wrote:On June 02 2011 15:26 Heavenly wrote:On June 02 2011 13:47 Vendor wrote:On June 02 2011 13:39 Pekkz wrote:On June 02 2011 13:21 iNcontroL wrote:
wtf
I didn't call him retarded and idra didn't "call me out" he said "that's surprising he is generally cool"
Shut the fuck up For someone who recently have been really outspoken about the necessity for mature language in the sc2 community, you have a really bad follow through. His main points (especially in relation to the show) were on words the average person considers far worse then "fuck". If you watched the show it was really over two words and nothing much else. There was also a large argument regarding context. He just told another person to shut the fuck up, intending to fully direct his anger at another person in an unprofessional manner, after he argues about another person using words in a contextually innocent way. So apparently using slightly more innocent phrases in a spiteful manner is worse than using arguably worst words jokingly? And he can argue that this is conduct unbecoming of a community figurehead, which Destiny barely is, while he is the main person being the biggest league in North America? You are just wrong. Please stop. The n-word is not "arguably worse" than fuck. It is just worse. It is arguably worse or people wouldn't argue over it. There is obviously no point to arguing because you're set on your belief and it's already been addressed in this thread. Apparently calling one of your friends 'my nigga' is worse than angrily telling people to shut the fuck up according to the largely white community senselessly obsessed with political correctness. Keep up with your silly little argument, I don't care whatsoever what you think is "objective fact" in that particular debate, what Incontrol is doing is hypocritical. Fuck is not a word created to demean the sexually active members of society. The n-word was created to demean African Americans. If there was a group of sex-lovers who hated the word fuck, and if they felt uncomfortable/attacked whenever anyone used "fuck," then I would consider it to hold the same negative power that the n-word holds. Saying otherwise is a strange "opinion" based in your own fantastical world.
That is a lie.
The word was originally neutral and only began to acquire an offensive cast in the mid-18th century.
Source: http://www.wordorigins.org/index.php/site/comments/nigger/
also http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/articles/pages/751/Nigger.html
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if anyone seriously believes fuck is on the same offensive level as nigger you're an idiot.
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On June 02 2011 19:02 aquanda wrote:
if anyone seriously believes fuck is on the same offensive level as nigger you're an idiot.
It dosn´t even matter, it is still hypocritical to call out Destiny for offensive language on the cast and then the next day tell people who he argues with to shut the fuck up.
Meh Incontrol, this is just getting messier and messier. Either do as you said and stop responding or calm down and respond without telling people to shut up or mocking them.
I am a fan of yours and to keep some of them you need to tune down your hate on the forums. Literally every post i have seen you post lately is something angry and mockery.
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On June 02 2011 19:02 aquanda wrote:
if anyone seriously believes fuck is on the same offensive level as nigger you're an idiot.
as an internet neck beard virgin i find the idea of anyone having sex just as offensive as black skin, as i dont have either.
hurr
more seriously though, calling people an idiot for disagreeing with your baseless opinion is kinda ironic
On June 02 2011 16:25 Doodsmack wrote:
Funny how many people on the Destiny side of teh debate like to pretend that nigga (said when addressing friends) and nigger are the same thing.
thats destinys whole point though? wording is all about context and situation. it should be ok for destiny to say what he wants on his stream, within that context and setting its ok.
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On June 02 2011 17:07 Dhystopia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 16:55 Maliris wrote:
I was shocked that Incontrol had the audacity to group EG with mouz and dignitas as if they are somehow on the same level of skill, his constant advertising for EG is getting tiresome. They have demuslim and idra and a bunch of americans and he feels like their combined skill is somehow comparable to dominant players like Sjow, thorzain, naniwa, select, mana, hasuobs etc
moreover i found the disparaging comments he made towards "-_-" downright disgusting, I think he has really got too big for his boots treating everyone that disagrees with him like shit and just lumping them into the "random hater" group like some elitist. As others in the thread have said incontrol is a niche entertainer and commentator and would do well to remember that... I know dude as soon as Incontrol spoke I could not stop vomiting and then I just cried myself to sleep. I was going to post about how evil he is but my hands were trembling so bad I had to distract myself by PLAYING STARCRAFT 2 (It was horrible... everything is so imbalanced I started dry heaving ) until I was calm enough to get back to my normal hobby of judging people on forums.
This is my favorite sarcastic post I've read on any forum in a long long time. You sir are the man.
On topic, SotG is fantastic you guys are great can't wait for the next episode even though it will be missing one of the key ingredients that has made it a must watch live week after week. You guys are fantastic,Keep up the good work ^.^
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On June 02 2011 10:34 Pekkz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 09:48 The KY wrote:On June 02 2011 03:06 GuiMontag wrote:On June 02 2011 02:59 The KY wrote:On June 02 2011 01:24 -_- wrote:On June 02 2011 01:16 iNcontroL wrote:
I'm sorry if you think 4th place isn't an accomplishment. I'm sorry if you think it is telling that I am happy with that finish.
I will comfort myself by knowing you aren't anywhere near a progamer and literally have 0 grasp of what it takes to place that high in anything competitive. So I know without a shadow of doubt that you are 100% a completely irrelevant perspective on the matter. Calm down. I understand where you're coming from, but you don't know about my competitive background. Just because I'm not a progamer doesn't mean I haven't been succesful in my life. And just because you angry, doesn't mean you can proclaim that my perspective is irrelevant. Let's use a sports analogy. If Lebron James loses in the finals, do you think he'll be happy with his 2nd place finish? Do you think Derrick Rose is happy with his 3rd/4th place finish? And if they were, it would certainly speak to how good they think they are (not the best), and what their goals were (not to be a champion). Allow me to use another analogy. My football team is Tottenham Hotspur in the Premier League. In the 2009/2010 season they finished fourth. And I was fucking ECSTATIC. Fourth in what is probably the most prestigious league in the world? Above teams like Man City and Liverpool, coming within a hairs breadth of Arsenal? BEATING Arsenal and Chelsea along the way? Fourth was a fucking dream. Is that because Spurs are a lesser team than Chelsea, who would be unhappy with 4th? Yeah sure. Does that make the achievement any lesser for Tottenham? Er, no. It's still an amazing result for any team except for maybe 3. Being a lesser team than Chelsea and Man United is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of, if you're ahead of everyone else. The analogy is that for, say, IdrA, 4th is a disappointment. For iNcontroL it's astoundingly good. Is it because he's a lesser player than IdrA. Yep. Don't think he'd disagree with that (at least not right now, maybe after his wins his MLG ). Is being proud of 4th at MLG mean that he is a SECOND RATE player? Fuck no. After that win did your team then shit all over other teams that you didn't beat but placed lower in ranking, and then hide behind that ONE 4th place win every time someone critisized your play? Wtf, who was Inc shitting on? Someone said EG were bad except for IdrA and he used facts and results to demonstrate that EG are objectively better than FXO. It fucking baffles me that you think he was shitting on anyone. As for using his result as some kind of shield to deflect criticism, this thread is the only time I've ever seen him bring it up. And above and beyond that it was the most recent MLG. When talking about MLG results, why not reference the previous fucking event? Go read the posts by SiguR and you may get a better understanding about the so called facts he used. Here I'll help. + Show Spoiler +On June 02 2011 03:56 SiguR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 01:11 iNcontroL wrote:
FXO has literally 0 team accomplishments except losing to EG in ESEA and taking I think 4th.
Where the HELL do people get it in their mind that they are a better team? It absolutely cannot be through results. Arbitrary considerations with players? Qxc hasn't been his former self since MLG of last year when he still placed lower than several EG players. Moonan? No accomplishments. Slog? Filthy? Tgun or w/e... all lower level than Machine, Strifecro and Lz. Sheth is great. But still has fewer / less accomplishments than I do in big tourneys (MLG). Then we compare super-stars.. IdrA vs Moonglade. Need I say more? And all this without mentioning Axslav who won MVP for crota invitational going undefeated against players like Jinro and the other top players from top teams.
Emphasis on the bolded part... I don't care for the argument that's taking place here on which team is better, but blatant falsehoods tickle my fancy. Moonan has no accomplishments but you do? At MLG Dallas, you were seeded into pool play. You took fourth place by: In group play: beating TLO, Mihai, and slush Losing to painuser In the championship bracket: You beat TLO in an extended series You lost to Select 0-2 You lost to Kiwikaki 0-2 You won two best of threes and one best of five. You lost three best of threes. That got you fourth place.At MLG Dallas, Moonan took 8th. He started in the open bracket. Got knocked into the losers bracket by huk and did not make group play, but proceeded to the championship bracket by beating Naama. In the championship bracket he beat spades, painuser, mihai, machine, slush, and eventually lost to socke.
Moonan won 11 best of threes, and lost two best of threes. That got him 8th place. If you'll notice, three of the players he beat were the ones that were in your pool (essentially the same players you beat to secure your fourth place spot, minus TLO).In summary: Incontrol : Wins: 2 bo3's, 1 bo5. Losses: 3 bo3's 4th place Moonan: Wins: 11 bo3's Losses: 2 bo3's 8th place The catch is that Moonan played almost literally the same players that you did, plus naama, spades, machine, and a number of lesser known players. Saying Moonan has zero accomplishments and you have more accomplishments than him or sheth seems kind of moronic. You benefited from a very skewed seeding system. That is all fine and good in itself. I'm happy for your success. But don't go waving your dick around saying you have more accomplishments than other people who arguably performed just as well if not better than you. I want to be clear that i'm not saying you didn't do well. I'm saying that arguably Moonan did better and you're sitting on your 4th place "accomplishment" and saying Moonan has zero accomplishments. It seems silly.
The problem with this is it's a total misrepresentation of what happened in this thread. At no point did iNcontroL come in here and go 'Moonan? Well that guy's fucking BAD, did you hear I got 4th at MLG way above him? He sucks and I don't! HAHAHAHAHAHA.'
That seems to be the imaginary post people have dreamed up.
What actually happened; Inc says on SOTG that although it's good that FXO have this oppurtunity, it's kind of a shame because they are not a top tier foreign team and it is likely that they are going to get stomped. Now personally I would call this overly negative and pessimistic. But ok.
Then several people come into this thread and claim that FXO are better than EG. Inc defends EG, as above. Perfectly reasonable response. He says that Moonan has no accomplishments to speak of, which is technically true. He then seperately compares his and Sheth's MLG performances. This idea that he put down Moonan compared to himself? Never fucking happened. Now I seem to remember SiguR as a decent poster so it's kind of disappointing that he'd blatantly misrepresent the position of a professional player like that.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 02 2011 03:56 SiguR wrote:
I don't care for the argument that's taking place here on which team is better, but blatant falsehoods tickle my fancy.
Moonan has no accomplishments but you do?
Besides that, you can argue that the championship bracket system is skewed, which they have repeatedly agreed with on SOTG. But regardless of that, Inc earned his place there with his results in the previous MLGs.
I find it pretty sad that I'm copying and pasting what people have said and then having to explain what they said. But I feel it's necessary seeing as I guess people in this thread have trouble reading?
EDIT: Gonna reply to a couple of posts then finally gtfo out of this cesspit. I'm almost certainly wasting my time, but fuck it.
On June 02 2011 17:19 Maliris wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 17:14 freetgy wrote:On June 02 2011 17:05 Maliris wrote:
incontrol is definitely not on the same level as demuslim and idra, make all the excuses you want for him
mlg says otherwise, but i guess that due to imbalance top4 mlg after cheesing everyone is the same as top8 in the GSL? Interesting
Hey thanks. When I made my list of random bullshit people use to hate on iNcontroL I totally forgot 'top 4 by cheesing'. You know, where iNcontroL uses a proxy pylon against TLO, which is totally cheese and definitely not entirely TLO's fault.
Let me ask you something. If I play protoss and attack a terran at the 5 minute mark and he's forgotten to build anything but 1 marine and I win the game, am I a cheesy player? Did I cheese the win? If I play terran and kill the zerg with marines in the early game because he made shitloads of drones and no lings or spines, have I cheesed him out?
NO I FUCKING WON THE GAME BECAUSE MY OPPONENT FUCKED UP. You know, the
point of the game? Yeah I did that thing.
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On June 02 2011 14:28 Blitz Beat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 14:12 aquanda wrote:On June 02 2011 10:13 The KY wrote:
ESPORTS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS YO.
Ok I just read through the recentposts in this thread and yeah it's pretty fucking awful. Inc defends his team when someone claims FXO are better and suddenly you've got 10-20 people jumping down his throat, trying to delegitimise his results, basically insulting him as a player which is his livelihood, then when he reacts angrily he gets a smug little 'hey calm down I was only calling you fucking terrible, you're the one who was shitting on other players, why are you playing the victim.'
For some unknown reason there's a fucking legion of arseholes who feel the need to put iNcontroL under far more scrutiny than is necessary, then take any opportunity to shit on him.
Every MLG last year; Inc is fucking awful!
MLG Dallas; Inc got an easy bracket!
MLG groups announced; Inc gets another easy group what a joke! (this one was particularly weird...so many people were saying it. Where's the people saying 'TLO gets the easiest group again guess he gets an easy road to 5th again!'. Why single out Inc from the 20 people in the groups?)
Inc streaming; He just lost a bunch of games, guess he's fucking shitty!
And now Inc defends his team and himself and the vultures fucking descend again. No wonder he got pissed and left the thread and the show on such a sour note.
I call bullshit on the iNcontroL hate. Just fucking stop. Yup I agree with everything you've said. I am glad he left SotG now, fuck the community to be honest. He puts himself out there every week to make a great show and people shit on him over and over. I'm so goddamn sick of the overwhelming bullshit in every single aspect of the Starcraft community I just don't see a reason to visit this site except to view streams and tournament information. The rest of it can just fuck off. The whole 'our community is great' thing applies to a very small minority, as well as in real life. Most people just post to make themselves feel and look important, and it's pretty apparent. you do realize that the public is doing to him what he does to others right? Geoff openly mocks his friend Kelly Milkies and says that gom made a bad choice hiring her. He totally screws with totalbiscuit to the point where totalbiscuit calls out geoff. it was geoff who called out FXO saying "EG is better than them". EG was NOT criticized until geoff said this. He could have said "Congratulations to FXO. They're going to have it hard in Korea but best of wishes and luck" but rather shitted all over their opportunity. just as much as he misrepresents others, others misrepresent him. Theres a reason why Geoff is a love / hate guy. his latest soap box episode didn't help it any and the fact that he lectures the community on verbal ethics and then follows up by telling someone to "shut the fuck up" does not help either. (regardless of context or level of words, the hypocrisy and irony is still there). you can't say that the community has gone to shit without criticizing geoff as well. golden rule: do unto others as you would like done unto you.
1. Inc did an impression of Kelly that he later apologised for. He made some constructive criticisms about her casting in Code A.
2. Are you referencing where he made some comments about Totalbiscuit's casting of (I think) Assembly? Where he was given the wrong information and made some fair comments on what he thought had gone down? It's not his fault the information was incorrect, and it's not like he was hating on TB...he was just saying 'this thing TB has done is childish and he shouldn't have done it'.
3. OMG HOW SCANDALOUS. Inc thinks his own team is better than someone elses.
Can we just clarify why the FUCK that's an issue at all? More to the point, in the actual cast there was no point where he was shitting on FXO...he just gave his honest opinion, that he doesn't think they are a top tier foreign team right now. An opinion shared by many. I've already said that he could have been slightly more positive about it, but what kind of cast is it where everyone reacts to every bit of news with 'Hey good for that guy! great! That guy is an excellent player! This is good news! I am happy. Everyone is happy. Yaaaaay.'
4. The argument on verbal ethics centered mainly on context...the SOTG thread is a perfectly acceptable context for telling people to stfu. Nothing ironic about that.
OK done wasting my time now, got that out of my system.
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Great episode, had some interesting topics, I especially like the debate about censorship, quite thought provoking. Sad to see this is your last time on SoTG, Incontrol, you will be missed. PS Leah, Geek + Gorgeous = Om nom nom, Get her on again!
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Nah iNcontrol was legit trolling and raging at people who were trying to have a reasonable conversation.
Started when iNcontrol called out Sheth and mOOnan as players with inferior results to himself.
A few people pointed out that when you compare mOOnan's record at MLG to iNcontrol's record, that mOOnan beat nearly all of the same people, beat many people that iNcontrol didn't even play, and even beat one person who defeated iNcontrol.
That a reasonable person would have to admit mOOnan's performance was at least as impressive as Geoff's, and that therefore it's weird for him to call mOOnan an inferior player with inferior results.
At which point Geoff started insulting people and telling them to shut the fuck up and to stop hating on him. Very angrily trolling a few honest-to-god polite critics while accusing them of, uh, trolling him.
All in all very derpy.
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Esports this esports that. Just because people play video games, doesn't automatically put them in the category of "esports". Incontrol to tell destiny to consider what he says because he is hurting esports is pretty ridiculous.
People know the content destiny provides and they keep coming. Those who don't enjoy it will just not come back. Destiny has the right to do whatever he wants on his own stream.
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I don't have the inclination to watch the whole episode myself, but was Dentisy a guest on the most recent episode? Or was he a topic of conversation. SoTG battle report gogo.
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