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On June 03 2011 02:24 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 22:18 aquanda wrote:On June 02 2011 19:33 turdburgler wrote:On June 02 2011 19:02 aquanda wrote:
if anyone seriously believes fuck is on the same offensive level as nigger you're an idiot. as an internet neck beard virgin i find the idea of anyone having sex just as offensive as black skin, as i dont have either. hurr more seriously though, calling people an idiot for disagreeing with your baseless opinion is kinda ironic On June 02 2011 16:25 Doodsmack wrote:
Funny how many people on the Destiny side of teh debate like to pretend that nigga (said when addressing friends) and nigger are the same thing. thats destinys whole point though? wording is all about context and situation. it should be ok for destiny to say what he wants on his stream, within that context and setting its ok. Yah, because calling someone nigger really just means that you are simply telling someone that they have black skin. Thank you for calling yourself an idiot by replying to my statement. But you are the same person that trolled my earlier post though, so I'll just keep my statement at that, because it's obvious you are just here for your own personal amusement and nothing more. if you are arguing that nigger isnt just about the skin colour then its not a racial slur and should be considered equal to the word fuck. and i didnt troll your earlier post. the only thing your comment added was basically "LOL Y U ALL MAD" while being the only one foaming at the mouth in the whole thread.
You're not that quick, are you? The word "nigger" is obviously used to denote a black person in a derogatory fashion; if it is used about something which is not a black person, but used in a derogatory fashion, it still denotes that being black is something of less value than otherwise by implication.
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Its not even tuesday and I miss SOTG... Destiny would be a great addition as a pillar
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On June 03 2011 02:26 Dystisis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 02:24 turdburgler wrote:On June 02 2011 22:18 aquanda wrote:On June 02 2011 19:33 turdburgler wrote:On June 02 2011 19:02 aquanda wrote:
if anyone seriously believes fuck is on the same offensive level as nigger you're an idiot. as an internet neck beard virgin i find the idea of anyone having sex just as offensive as black skin, as i dont have either. hurr more seriously though, calling people an idiot for disagreeing with your baseless opinion is kinda ironic On June 02 2011 16:25 Doodsmack wrote:
Funny how many people on the Destiny side of teh debate like to pretend that nigga (said when addressing friends) and nigger are the same thing. thats destinys whole point though? wording is all about context and situation. it should be ok for destiny to say what he wants on his stream, within that context and setting its ok. Yah, because calling someone nigger really just means that you are simply telling someone that they have black skin. Thank you for calling yourself an idiot by replying to my statement. But you are the same person that trolled my earlier post though, so I'll just keep my statement at that, because it's obvious you are just here for your own personal amusement and nothing more. if you are arguing that nigger isnt just about the skin colour then its not a racial slur and should be considered equal to the word fuck. and i didnt troll your earlier post. the only thing your comment added was basically "LOL Y U ALL MAD" while being the only one foaming at the mouth in the whole thread. You're not that quick, are you? The word "nigger" is obviously used to denote a black person in a derogatory fashion; if it is used about something which is not a black person, but used in a derogatory fashion, it still denotes that being black is something of less value than otherwise by implication.
If you honestly believe this, and other people in this thread do, I believe that every single one of you should be temp-banned for your next post if it doesn't include an explanation of how black people so freely use this word in rap music without disparaging their entire race every time the word is used.
Please, do explain.
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wow you're thick.
(sorry mods.)
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Well for startes they usually use nigga not nigger. Now you're also attempting to imply that these rappers you listen to represent their entire race, which is a very flawed argument. That's like saying jewish people who like money represent the stereotype in their whole race.
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SOTG is trending on twitter. I was so excited for a second, then I realized it wasn't the real SotG. We could use this opportunity get new viewers though. Racism sells, people! Take the arguments to twitter. Come on!
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On June 03 2011 02:36 hunts wrote:
Well for startes they usually use nigga not nigger. Now you're also attempting to imply that these rappers you listen to represent their entire race, which is a very flawed argument. That's like saying jewish people who like money represent the stereotype in their whole race.
ah ok, my mistake
ill make sure to explain to people that im saying raep on this stream, because then its not the same
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On June 03 2011 02:31 Steven.Bonnell.II wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 02:26 Dystisis wrote:On June 03 2011 02:24 turdburgler wrote:On June 02 2011 22:18 aquanda wrote:On June 02 2011 19:33 turdburgler wrote:On June 02 2011 19:02 aquanda wrote:
if anyone seriously believes fuck is on the same offensive level as nigger you're an idiot. as an internet neck beard virgin i find the idea of anyone having sex just as offensive as black skin, as i dont have either. hurr more seriously though, calling people an idiot for disagreeing with your baseless opinion is kinda ironic On June 02 2011 16:25 Doodsmack wrote:
Funny how many people on the Destiny side of teh debate like to pretend that nigga (said when addressing friends) and nigger are the same thing. thats destinys whole point though? wording is all about context and situation. it should be ok for destiny to say what he wants on his stream, within that context and setting its ok. Yah, because calling someone nigger really just means that you are simply telling someone that they have black skin. Thank you for calling yourself an idiot by replying to my statement. But you are the same person that trolled my earlier post though, so I'll just keep my statement at that, because it's obvious you are just here for your own personal amusement and nothing more. if you are arguing that nigger isnt just about the skin colour then its not a racial slur and should be considered equal to the word fuck. and i didnt troll your earlier post. the only thing your comment added was basically "LOL Y U ALL MAD" while being the only one foaming at the mouth in the whole thread. You're not that quick, are you? The word "nigger" is obviously used to denote a black person in a derogatory fashion; if it is used about something which is not a black person, but used in a derogatory fashion, it still denotes that being black is something of less value than otherwise by implication. If you honestly believe this, and other people in this thread do, I believe that every single one of you should be temp-banned for your next post if it doesn't include an explanation of how black people so freely use this word in rap music without disparaging their entire race every time the word is used. Please, do explain.
Yes rappers do use nigger a lot in their music. However there are many people that say their free use of the word nigger IS disparaging their race and needs to stop. Of course most don't care because being offensive actually helps them sell their music, but what they fail to realize is that by not being offensive and actually putting some more work into their lyrics they could sell even more of their music to a much wider audience.
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On June 03 2011 03:07 elroy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 02:31 Steven.Bonnell.II wrote:On June 03 2011 02:26 Dystisis wrote:On June 03 2011 02:24 turdburgler wrote:On June 02 2011 22:18 aquanda wrote:On June 02 2011 19:33 turdburgler wrote:On June 02 2011 19:02 aquanda wrote:
if anyone seriously believes fuck is on the same offensive level as nigger you're an idiot. as an internet neck beard virgin i find the idea of anyone having sex just as offensive as black skin, as i dont have either. hurr more seriously though, calling people an idiot for disagreeing with your baseless opinion is kinda ironic On June 02 2011 16:25 Doodsmack wrote:
Funny how many people on the Destiny side of teh debate like to pretend that nigga (said when addressing friends) and nigger are the same thing. thats destinys whole point though? wording is all about context and situation. it should be ok for destiny to say what he wants on his stream, within that context and setting its ok. Yah, because calling someone nigger really just means that you are simply telling someone that they have black skin. Thank you for calling yourself an idiot by replying to my statement. But you are the same person that trolled my earlier post though, so I'll just keep my statement at that, because it's obvious you are just here for your own personal amusement and nothing more. if you are arguing that nigger isnt just about the skin colour then its not a racial slur and should be considered equal to the word fuck. and i didnt troll your earlier post. the only thing your comment added was basically "LOL Y U ALL MAD" while being the only one foaming at the mouth in the whole thread. You're not that quick, are you? The word "nigger" is obviously used to denote a black person in a derogatory fashion; if it is used about something which is not a black person, but used in a derogatory fashion, it still denotes that being black is something of less value than otherwise by implication. If you honestly believe this, and other people in this thread do, I believe that every single one of you should be temp-banned for your next post if it doesn't include an explanation of how black people so freely use this word in rap music without disparaging their entire race every time the word is used. Please, do explain. Yes rappers do use nigger a lot in their music. However there are many people that say their free use of the word nigger IS disparaging their race and needs to stop. Of course most don't care because being offensive actually helps them sell their music, b ut what they fail to realize is that by not being offensive and actually putting some more work into their lyrics they could sell even more of their music to a much wider audience.
Sorry, I just had to giggle at this.
Yeah, clean rap sure is going to sell to a wide audience.
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I can't believe Destiny being so anal in defending this. Why can't you just stop using it? I love watching your stream, but this is getting ridiculous. You're not a sellout if you stop using the word n*****. I can't understand how this is even a debate.
I want to know why you even started saying it in the first place, that's probably the root of the problem. How does using the word n***** even become a word in someones everyday vocabulary? Maybe it's just how someones environment has grown them as a person, but i can't believe that someone is actually defending themselves using that word. To me, someone who has been taught to be socially sensitive (I don't even type the word n*****), I just facepalm at this whole debate.
I guess i just don't see it how some people do. Meh.
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On June 03 2011 03:11 Brad wrote:
I can't believe Destiny being so anal in defending this. Why can't you just stop using it? I love watching your stream, but this is getting ridiculous. You're not a sellout if you stop using the word n*****. I can't understand how this is even a debate.
I want to know why you even started saying it in the first place, that's probably the root of the problem. How does using the word n***** even become a word in someones everyday vocabulary? Maybe it's just how someones environment has grown them as a person, but i can't believe that someone is actually defending themselves using that word. To me, someone who has been taught up to be socially sensitive (I don't even type the word n*****) i just facepalm at this whole debate.
I guess i just don't see it how some people do. Meh.
the argument that you should just give up because its easier is wrong on so many levels that its not even worth articulating the 100s of reasons why
have you even read this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226980
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On June 03 2011 03:13 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 03:11 Brad wrote:
I can't believe Destiny being so anal in defending this. Why can't you just stop using it? I love watching your stream, but this is getting ridiculous. You're not a sellout if you stop using the word n*****. I can't understand how this is even a debate.
I want to know why you even started saying it in the first place, that's probably the root of the problem. How does using the word n***** even become a word in someones everyday vocabulary? Maybe it's just how someones environment has grown them as a person, but i can't believe that someone is actually defending themselves using that word. To me, someone who has been taught up to be socially sensitive (I don't even type the word n*****) i just facepalm at this whole debate.
I guess i just don't see it how some people do. Meh. the argument that you should just give up because its easier is wrong on so many levels that its not even worth articulating the 100s of reasons why have you even read this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226980
Are we really comparing using the word nigger in gaming to religious problems in the world? I guess people really love saying it because the defense of it is overwhelming. I should probably just stay out of it.
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I will miss incontrol at sotg!
the cool thing about the 4 pillars was that everyone of them is very wellspoken and can actually argue. incontrols rants where allways very fun to hear because they had something real in them.
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On June 03 2011 03:13 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 03:11 Brad wrote:
I can't believe Destiny being so anal in defending this. Why can't you just stop using it? I love watching your stream, but this is getting ridiculous. You're not a sellout if you stop using the word n*****. I can't understand how this is even a debate.
I want to know why you even started saying it in the first place, that's probably the root of the problem. How does using the word n***** even become a word in someones everyday vocabulary? Maybe it's just how someones environment has grown them as a person, but i can't believe that someone is actually defending themselves using that word. To me, someone who has been taught up to be socially sensitive (I don't even type the word n*****) i just facepalm at this whole debate.
I guess i just don't see it how some people do. Meh. the argument that you should just give up because its easier is wrong on so many levels that its not even worth articulating the 100s of reasons why have you even read this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226980
Brad was not saying you should just give up, he is saying using the word nigger is a dumb habbit to get into in the first place. It is never ok to use in polite conversation and never will be because it carries too much baggage. I totally agree with him that there are much better ways to express yourself that will help you out later in life.
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On June 03 2011 03:19 elroy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 03:13 turdburgler wrote:On June 03 2011 03:11 Brad wrote:
I can't believe Destiny being so anal in defending this. Why can't you just stop using it? I love watching your stream, but this is getting ridiculous. You're not a sellout if you stop using the word n*****. I can't understand how this is even a debate.
I want to know why you even started saying it in the first place, that's probably the root of the problem. How does using the word n***** even become a word in someones everyday vocabulary? Maybe it's just how someones environment has grown them as a person, but i can't believe that someone is actually defending themselves using that word. To me, someone who has been taught up to be socially sensitive (I don't even type the word n*****) i just facepalm at this whole debate.
I guess i just don't see it how some people do. Meh. the argument that you should just give up because its easier is wrong on so many levels that its not even worth articulating the 100s of reasons why have you even read this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226980 Brad was not saying you should just give up, he is saying using the word nigger is a dumb habbit to get into in the first place. It is never ok to use in polite conversation and never will be because it carries too much baggage. I totally agree with him that there are much better ways to express yourself that will help you out later in life.
and yet the only other group (rap music / rnb / whatever) that uses the word nigga continues to go from strength to strength
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On June 03 2011 03:31 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 03:19 elroy wrote:On June 03 2011 03:13 turdburgler wrote:On June 03 2011 03:11 Brad wrote:
I can't believe Destiny being so anal in defending this. Why can't you just stop using it? I love watching your stream, but this is getting ridiculous. You're not a sellout if you stop using the word n*****. I can't understand how this is even a debate.
I want to know why you even started saying it in the first place, that's probably the root of the problem. How does using the word n***** even become a word in someones everyday vocabulary? Maybe it's just how someones environment has grown them as a person, but i can't believe that someone is actually defending themselves using that word. To me, someone who has been taught up to be socially sensitive (I don't even type the word n*****) i just facepalm at this whole debate.
I guess i just don't see it how some people do. Meh. the argument that you should just give up because its easier is wrong on so many levels that its not even worth articulating the 100s of reasons why have you even read this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226980 Brad was not saying you should just give up, he is saying using the word nigger is a dumb habbit to get into in the first place. It is never ok to use in polite conversation and never will be because it carries too much baggage. I totally agree with him that there are much better ways to express yourself that will help you out later in life. and yet the only other group (rap music / rnb / whatever) that uses the word nigga continues to go from strength to strength
Maybe that is a saying in england but I have no idea what that means. why is using nigger a strength in rap music? If you use nigger in your song it gets bleeped out on the radio and usually doesnt get played. Therefore less people hear it and it is less mainstream.
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On June 03 2011 00:32 Pekkz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 23:42 WhiteDog wrote:On June 02 2011 23:15 Pekkz wrote:On June 02 2011 20:50 The KY wrote:On June 02 2011 10:34 Pekkz wrote:On June 02 2011 09:48 The KY wrote:On June 02 2011 03:06 GuiMontag wrote:On June 02 2011 02:59 The KY wrote:On June 02 2011 01:24 -_- wrote:On June 02 2011 01:16 iNcontroL wrote:
I'm sorry if you think 4th place isn't an accomplishment. I'm sorry if you think it is telling that I am happy with that finish.
I will comfort myself by knowing you aren't anywhere near a progamer and literally have 0 grasp of what it takes to place that high in anything competitive. So I know without a shadow of doubt that you are 100% a completely irrelevant perspective on the matter. Calm down. I understand where you're coming from, but you don't know about my competitive background. Just because I'm not a progamer doesn't mean I haven't been succesful in my life. And just because you angry, doesn't mean you can proclaim that my perspective is irrelevant. Let's use a sports analogy. If Lebron James loses in the finals, do you think he'll be happy with his 2nd place finish? Do you think Derrick Rose is happy with his 3rd/4th place finish? And if they were, it would certainly speak to how good they think they are (not the best), and what their goals were (not to be a champion). Allow me to use another analogy. My football team is Tottenham Hotspur in the Premier League. In the 2009/2010 season they finished fourth. And I was fucking ECSTATIC. Fourth in what is probably the most prestigious league in the world? Above teams like Man City and Liverpool, coming within a hairs breadth of Arsenal? BEATING Arsenal and Chelsea along the way? Fourth was a fucking dream. Is that because Spurs are a lesser team than Chelsea, who would be unhappy with 4th? Yeah sure. Does that make the achievement any lesser for Tottenham? Er, no. It's still an amazing result for any team except for maybe 3. Being a lesser team than Chelsea and Man United is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of, if you're ahead of everyone else. The analogy is that for, say, IdrA, 4th is a disappointment. For iNcontroL it's astoundingly good. Is it because he's a lesser player than IdrA. Yep. Don't think he'd disagree with that (at least not right now, maybe after his wins his MLG  ). Is being proud of 4th at MLG mean that he is a SECOND RATE player? Fuck no. After that win did your team then shit all over other teams that you didn't beat but placed lower in ranking, and then hide behind that ONE 4th place win every time someone critisized your play? Wtf, who was Inc shitting on? Someone said EG were bad except for IdrA and he used facts and results to demonstrate that EG are objectively better than FXO. It fucking baffles me that you think he was shitting on anyone. As for using his result as some kind of shield to deflect criticism, this thread is the only time I've ever seen him bring it up. And above and beyond that it was the most recent MLG. When talking about MLG results, why not reference the previous fucking event? Go read the posts by SiguR and you may get a better understanding about the so called facts he used. Here I'll help. + Show Spoiler +On June 02 2011 03:56 SiguR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 01:11 iNcontroL wrote:
FXO has literally 0 team accomplishments except losing to EG in ESEA and taking I think 4th.
Where the HELL do people get it in their mind that they are a better team? It absolutely cannot be through results. Arbitrary considerations with players? Qxc hasn't been his former self since MLG of last year when he still placed lower than several EG players. Moonan? No accomplishments. Slog? Filthy? Tgun or w/e... all lower level than Machine, Strifecro and Lz. Sheth is great. But still has fewer / less accomplishments than I do in big tourneys (MLG). Then we compare super-stars.. IdrA vs Moonglade. Need I say more? And all this without mentioning Axslav who won MVP for crota invitational going undefeated against players like Jinro and the other top players from top teams.
Emphasis on the bolded part... I don't care for the argument that's taking place here on which team is better, but blatant falsehoods tickle my fancy. Moonan has no accomplishments but you do? At MLG Dallas, you were seeded into pool play. You took fourth place by: In group play: beating TLO, Mihai, and slush Losing to painuser In the championship bracket: You beat TLO in an extended series You lost to Select 0-2 You lost to Kiwikaki 0-2 You won two best of threes and one best of five. You lost three best of threes. That got you fourth place.At MLG Dallas, Moonan took 8th. He started in the open bracket. Got knocked into the losers bracket by huk and did not make group play, but proceeded to the championship bracket by beating Naama. In the championship bracket he beat spades, painuser, mihai, machine, slush, and eventually lost to socke.
Moonan won 11 best of threes, and lost two best of threes. That got him 8th place. If you'll notice, three of the players he beat were the ones that were in your pool (essentially the same players you beat to secure your fourth place spot, minus TLO).In summary: Incontrol : Wins: 2 bo3's, 1 bo5. Losses: 3 bo3's 4th place Moonan: Wins: 11 bo3's Losses: 2 bo3's 8th place The catch is that Moonan played almost literally the same players that you did, plus naama, spades, machine, and a number of lesser known players. Saying Moonan has zero accomplishments and you have more accomplishments than him or sheth seems kind of moronic. You benefited from a very skewed seeding system. That is all fine and good in itself. I'm happy for your success. But don't go waving your dick around saying you have more accomplishments than other people who arguably performed just as well if not better than you. I want to be clear that i'm not saying you didn't do well. I'm saying that arguably Moonan did better and you're sitting on your 4th place "accomplishment" and saying Moonan has zero accomplishments. It seems silly. The problem with this is it's a total misrepresentation of what happened in this thread. At no point did iNcontroL come in here and go 'Moonan? Well that guy's fucking BAD, did you hear I got 4th at MLG way above him? He sucks and I don't! HAHAHAHAHAHA.' That seems to be the imaginary post people have dreamed up. What actually happened; Inc says on SOTG that although it's good that FXO have this oppurtunity, it's kind of a shame because they are not a top tier foreign team and it is likely that they are going to get stomped. Now personally I would call this overly negative and pessimistic. But ok. Then several people come into this thread and claim that FXO are better than EG. Inc defends EG, as above. Perfectly reasonable response. He says that Moonan has no accomplishments to speak of, which is technically true. He then seperately compares his and Sheth's MLG performances. This idea that he put down Moonan compared to himself? Never fucking happened. Now I seem to remember SiguR as a decent poster so it's kind of disappointing that he'd blatantly misrepresent the position of a professional player like that. + Show Spoiler +On June 02 2011 03:56 SiguR wrote:
I don't care for the argument that's taking place here on which team is better, but blatant falsehoods tickle my fancy.
Moonan has no accomplishments but you do?
Besides that, you can argue that the championship bracket system is skewed, which they have repeatedly agreed with on SOTG. But regardless of that, Inc earned his place there with his results in the previous MLGs. I find it pretty sad that I'm copying and pasting what people have said and then having to explain what they said. But I feel it's necessary seeing as I guess people in this thread have trouble reading? EDIT: Gonna reply to a couple of posts then finally gtfo out of this cesspit. I'm almost certainly wasting my time, but fuck it. On June 02 2011 17:19 Maliris wrote:On June 02 2011 17:14 freetgy wrote:On June 02 2011 17:05 Maliris wrote:
incontrol is definitely not on the same level as demuslim and idra, make all the excuses you want for him
mlg says otherwise, but i guess that due to imbalance top4 mlg after cheesing everyone is the same as top8 in the GSL? Interesting Hey thanks. When I made my list of random bullshit people use to hate on iNcontroL I totally forgot 'top 4 by cheesing'. You know, where iNcontroL uses a proxy pylon against TLO, which is totally cheese and definitely not entirely TLO's fault. Let me ask you something. If I play protoss and attack a terran at the 5 minute mark and he's forgotten to build anything but 1 marine and I win the game, am I a cheesy player? Did I cheese the win? If I play terran and kill the zerg with marines in the early game because he made shitloads of drones and no lings or spines, have I cheesed him out? NO I FUCKING WON THE GAME BECAUSE MY OPPONENT FUCKED UP. You know, the point of the game? Yeah I did that thing. EDIT NO.2 On June 02 2011 14:28 Blitz Beat wrote:On June 02 2011 14:12 aquanda wrote:On June 02 2011 10:13 The KY wrote:
ESPORTS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS YO.
Ok I just read through the recentposts in this thread and yeah it's pretty fucking awful. Inc defends his team when someone claims FXO are better and suddenly you've got 10-20 people jumping down his throat, trying to delegitimise his results, basically insulting him as a player which is his livelihood, then when he reacts angrily he gets a smug little 'hey calm down I was only calling you fucking terrible, you're the one who was shitting on other players, why are you playing the victim.'
For some unknown reason there's a fucking legion of arseholes who feel the need to put iNcontroL under far more scrutiny than is necessary, then take any opportunity to shit on him.
Every MLG last year; Inc is fucking awful!
MLG Dallas; Inc got an easy bracket!
MLG groups announced; Inc gets another easy group what a joke! (this one was particularly weird...so many people were saying it. Where's the people saying 'TLO gets the easiest group again guess he gets an easy road to 5th again!'. Why single out Inc from the 20 people in the groups?)
Inc streaming; He just lost a bunch of games, guess he's fucking shitty!
And now Inc defends his team and himself and the vultures fucking descend again. No wonder he got pissed and left the thread and the show on such a sour note.
I call bullshit on the iNcontroL hate. Just fucking stop. Yup I agree with everything you've said. I am glad he left SotG now, fuck the community to be honest. He puts himself out there every week to make a great show and people shit on him over and over. I'm so goddamn sick of the overwhelming bullshit in every single aspect of the Starcraft community I just don't see a reason to visit this site except to view streams and tournament information. The rest of it can just fuck off. The whole 'our community is great' thing applies to a very small minority, as well as in real life. Most people just post to make themselves feel and look important, and it's pretty apparent. you do realize that the public is doing to him what he does to others right? Geoff openly mocks his friend Kelly Milkies and says that gom made a bad choice hiring her. He totally screws with totalbiscuit to the point where totalbiscuit calls out geoff. it was geoff who called out FXO saying "EG is better than them". EG was NOT criticized until geoff said this. He could have said "Congratulations to FXO. They're going to have it hard in Korea but best of wishes and luck" but rather shitted all over their opportunity. just as much as he misrepresents others, others misrepresent him. Theres a reason why Geoff is a love / hate guy. his latest soap box episode didn't help it any and the fact that he lectures the community on verbal ethics and then follows up by telling someone to "shut the fuck up" does not help either. (regardless of context or level of words, the hypocrisy and irony is still there). you can't say that the community has gone to shit without criticizing geoff as well. golden rule: do unto others as you would like done unto you. 1. Inc did an impression of Kelly that he later apologised for. He made some constructive criticisms about her casting in Code A. 2. Are you referencing where he made some comments about Totalbiscuit's casting of (I think) Assembly? Where he was given the wrong information and made some fair comments on what he thought had gone down? It's not his fault the information was incorrect, and it's not like he was hating on TB...he was just saying 'this thing TB has done is childish and he shouldn't have done it'. 3. OMG HOW SCANDALOUS. Inc thinks his own team is better than someone elses. Can we just clarify why the FUCK that's an issue at all? More to the point, in the actual cast there was no point where he was shitting on FXO...he just gave his honest opinion, that he doesn't think they are a top tier foreign team right now. An opinion shared by many. I've already said that he could have been slightly more positive about it, but what kind of cast is it where everyone reacts to every bit of news with 'Hey good for that guy! great! That guy is an excellent player! This is good news! I am happy. Everyone is happy. Yaaaaay.' 4. The argument on verbal ethics centered mainly on context...the SOTG thread is a perfectly acceptable context for telling people to stfu. Nothing ironic about that. OK done wasting my time now, got that out of my system. All I said was I respectfully disagree that EG is a better team then FXO, and that it was not cool to put FXO down like that in sotg. Im then brushed off as a EG hater. More people joins in with the same opinion and incontrol feels it necessary to throw moonan under the buss, while comparing his own accomplishments to be better then Sheths. Any starcraft fan knows that Incontrol isnt even in same league as Sheth. People again jumped in to explain to incontrol, that hiding behind a 4th finish at MLG would be fine if the system at MLG wasnt so fucking stupid. Moonan had argueably a better run then Incontrol and still ended up behind. Incontrol then explains thats he deserved to be in that position with how well he had done in 3 previous MLG's. Some countered that not even finishing in top 16 in any of them really wasnt anything to brag about. At this point, everyone and their mother are idiots,trolls and haters, but really has no counter arguement to why he thinks he has good accomplishments and moonan has none. I watch starcraft alot. Every major tournament, player streams and SC shows. In my opinion Incontrol is nowhere near a top player, and I should be able to voice my honest opinion without getting called a hater. I loved him on Sotg, and I think his a hilarious charismatic person, but I just dont think he is a good player. What should proberly be discussed more though is the MLG tournament setup. It couldnt possibly be more rewarding to the top 16-20. And that made some of the pillars extreamly worried when they found out koreans where getting seeded streight into that position. Hey hey, imma let you finish, but Incontrol has one of the best accomplishment list of... well fuck that. Just saying, I'm not an Incontrol fan, I hate him sometimes because he talks too much and that he has a bad habit of talking over someone else (pretty obvious during one of his recent argument with Tyler about a certain clash on TL) and I'm one of the few that think SotG can become better than it is now with him leaving. BUT please, stop saying Incontrol is not in the same league as Sheth... You can argue all you want, you can hate Incontrol as much as you want, he IS up there, one of the best north american starcraft 2 player at the moment. You can hate him, but you still got to respect him for everything he does for the community (even if you don't like the way he does it) and his skill as a player. Going 6th in MLG is not a fluke, taking down Ensnare, and other good players in NASL is not a fluke. Ok sure, Incontrol think FXO is not good enough, well then LET FXO PROVE HIM WRONG and stop arguing. While you are at it, why dont you congratulate Gretorp for his amazing top 16 finish. Its no small feat to get top 16 with the amazing set of players at MLG, even if you lose all your games.
I never said he was one of the top of the world, but he is one of the top north american players... How can you just refute that makes me wonder.
What is amazing in TL is that you have people who think players such as Cruncher or Spanishiwa are the next bonjwa of SC2, when they are, at least for the moment, nothing more than one hit wonder, and on the other side, people who feel they can just neglect a player that has a 4-3 stat in NASL, winning over the likes of qxc,white ra and who got top 6 in a shitty tournament set up.
Sure he is not one of the top player and I don't see him winning a big tournament at the moment, but he is one of the best NA players, arguably top 10 NA and top 5 protoss NA.
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InControl is aaaalways talking about not losing the 1 % that actually don't like "offensive" words. Not a single time did I hear him talk about the people that do like them. I think faaar less people have been raped and can't stand the word, compared to the people that want to hear players be themselves. If all you care is about increasing the mass of starcraft fans, please look at it in both ways.
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On June 03 2011 03:35 elroy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 03:31 turdburgler wrote:On June 03 2011 03:19 elroy wrote:On June 03 2011 03:13 turdburgler wrote:On June 03 2011 03:11 Brad wrote:
I can't believe Destiny being so anal in defending this. Why can't you just stop using it? I love watching your stream, but this is getting ridiculous. You're not a sellout if you stop using the word n*****. I can't understand how this is even a debate.
I want to know why you even started saying it in the first place, that's probably the root of the problem. How does using the word n***** even become a word in someones everyday vocabulary? Maybe it's just how someones environment has grown them as a person, but i can't believe that someone is actually defending themselves using that word. To me, someone who has been taught up to be socially sensitive (I don't even type the word n*****) i just facepalm at this whole debate.
I guess i just don't see it how some people do. Meh. the argument that you should just give up because its easier is wrong on so many levels that its not even worth articulating the 100s of reasons why have you even read this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226980 Brad was not saying you should just give up, he is saying using the word nigger is a dumb habbit to get into in the first place. It is never ok to use in polite conversation and never will be because it carries too much baggage. I totally agree with him that there are much better ways to express yourself that will help you out later in life. and yet the only other group (rap music / rnb / whatever) that uses the word nigga continues to go from strength to strength Maybe that is a saying in england but I have no idea what that means. why is using nigger a strength in rap music? If you use nigger in your song it gets bleeped out on the radio and usually doesnt get played. Therefore less people hear it and it is less mainstream.
it didnt say its a strength, i said rap music continues to become more popular.
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On June 03 2011 02:31 Steven.Bonnell.II wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 02:26 Dystisis wrote:On June 03 2011 02:24 turdburgler wrote:On June 02 2011 22:18 aquanda wrote:On June 02 2011 19:33 turdburgler wrote:On June 02 2011 19:02 aquanda wrote:
if anyone seriously believes fuck is on the same offensive level as nigger you're an idiot. as an internet neck beard virgin i find the idea of anyone having sex just as offensive as black skin, as i dont have either. hurr more seriously though, calling people an idiot for disagreeing with your baseless opinion is kinda ironic On June 02 2011 16:25 Doodsmack wrote:
Funny how many people on the Destiny side of teh debate like to pretend that nigga (said when addressing friends) and nigger are the same thing. thats destinys whole point though? wording is all about context and situation. it should be ok for destiny to say what he wants on his stream, within that context and setting its ok. Yah, because calling someone nigger really just means that you are simply telling someone that they have black skin. Thank you for calling yourself an idiot by replying to my statement. But you are the same person that trolled my earlier post though, so I'll just keep my statement at that, because it's obvious you are just here for your own personal amusement and nothing more. if you are arguing that nigger isnt just about the skin colour then its not a racial slur and should be considered equal to the word fuck. and i didnt troll your earlier post. the only thing your comment added was basically "LOL Y U ALL MAD" while being the only one foaming at the mouth in the whole thread. You're not that quick, are you? The word "nigger" is obviously used to denote a black person in a derogatory fashion; if it is used about something which is not a black person, but used in a derogatory fashion, it still denotes that being black is something of less value than otherwise by implication. If you honestly believe this, and other people in this thread do, I believe that every single one of you should be temp-banned for your next post if it doesn't include an explanation of how black people so freely use this word in rap music without disparaging their entire race every time the word is used. Please, do explain.
Are you serious?
The word was derogatory slang used by white people to denigrate black people who were often their slaves. It has its roots firmly in slavery and oppression; and in the oppression of black people by white people, especially in America. The word has now been 'reclaimed' as such by the black community (or at least parts of it) to refer to each other, in a non-derogatory way, in the same way 'queer' was reclaimed by the gay community.
For white people to use it carries all of its awful implications from the past, those are inescapable. For black people to use it with each, it represents a liberation (of sorts) in that a negative, offensive term has been reclaimed and successfully made part of their vocabulary.
You can't ignore the history of the word when trying to understand its usage.
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