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On June 02 2011 13:16 Grantiere wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 12:45 Blitz Beat wrote:On June 02 2011 12:03 iNcontroL wrote:
You are making up those things btw you were making things up when you misinformed your listeners about Mr. Chae's article. I suggest you read it. No where does he call american's or foreigners cowards. no where did you address the true meaning of that article. you completely misrepresented the article for your own purpose and agenda. thank you for being our self proclaimed e-sport representative to the world. This. I'd generally agree with your (Incontrol's) stance on EG, FXO, GSTL, and the risks therein, but misrepresenting Chae's position and calling him retarded (which is cool, right, since it's not the n-word?) was disappointing, especially after Idra called you out on how dissimilar your characterization of Chae was to Idra's experience with him.
Yeah. For someone as smart as incontrol, it's baffling that he can't understand why he rubs people the wrong way. At first I just thought he was really sensitive and touchy the way he lashes out on the forums and on SOTG, but then he calls in to argue with Destiny and being a hypocrite about it; talking about self-improvement and catering to people's feelings (then refers to people as retarded). C'mon man... either ignore the criticism or own up and stop being defensive about EVERY single thing you could be wrong about.
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On June 02 2011 11:23 DR.Ham wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 10:32 vyyye wrote:On June 02 2011 10:22 Rabiator wrote:On June 02 2011 09:15 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On June 02 2011 08:36 Megaliskuu wrote:On June 02 2011 08:35 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On June 02 2011 08:01 aquanda wrote:
It's really quite interesting in the most pathetic way possible how seriously you people take everything. I generally don't like quoting things just for the sake of quoting them, but I would put this in the fucking banner of the website if I had the power. everyone needs to get this message. NAH MAN ESPORTS ESPORTS ESPORTS U GOTTA THINK ABOUT ESPORTS CUZ UR HURTING THEM BM HURTS ESPORTS OFFENSIVE WORDS HURT ESPORTS CENSORSHIP HURTS ESPORTS HOT_BID'S TROLLING HURTS ESPORTS TL NAZIDOM HURTS ESPORTS TL'S BAD POSTERS HURT ESPORTS INCONTROL HURTS ESPORTS MLG HURTS ESPORTS SCANTILY CLAD GAMER GIRLS HURT ESPORTS HATE AGAINST GAMER GIRLS HURTS ESPORTS STARCRAFT 2 HURTS ESPORTS STARCRAFT BROODWAR HURTS ESPORTS BLIZZARD IS HURTING ESPORTS CAPS LOCK IS HURTING ESPORTS and the list could go on for infinity and then some. Ridiculous additions to things are the usual excuse for not having to do anything. "Oh I cant save the world, so I just continue destroying my own little bit of it." Just get some common sense and respect your societies values instead of trying to be a smartass kid and ignore others. After thinking about the whole swearing and cursing thing I have come to the conclusion that those guys are todays version of Peter Pan ... they still want to be "the rebel" they were in their early teens and cant really get over it and grow up. Not only rebels, murderers with intent to kill. Using curses can after all make some random las commit suicide, right? That's what you said anyway. I think that's as bullshit as this post. When you stop believing the whole world is one big society you might realize your ideals aren't the bloody be all end all. "After thinking about the whole swearing and cursing thing I have come to the conclusion that those guys are todays version of Peter Pan ... they still want to be "the rebel" they were in their early teens and cant really get over it and grow up". Do you have any idea how ridiculous that notion is? Who the fuck are you to judge maturity of individuals based solely on their vocabulary? I get people arguing in favor of Incontrol's arguments. Unlike Incontrol, however, some aren't rational and believe anyone not sharing their opinion is an immature little prick. And that's not cool, not cool at all. Let me tell you a secret. "Curb Your Enthusiasm" isn't destroying the world. Destiny is not destroying the world. "South Park" isn't destroying the world. Fucking incredible, is it not? Maybe it's tarnishing your vision of an utopia with your chosen vocabulary, but the world goes on just fine with a "fuck" there and a "nigger" here. No, I don't want to hear "nigger" in the NASL, or anywhere else for that matter. But I can say for fucking certain that I prefer hearing "nigger" every now and then to reading the garbage from people suffering from severe superiority complexes. How are people in 2011 trying to justify the use of the N word in any context? Am I to understand that as a white Swedish person, you are giving your blessing for the use of that word as a day to day insult? Maybe the word doesn't offend you, but can you understand that you are not the group / minority that it is supposed to insult?
The context in which it was used in the SoTG episode and in which it was used in my middle and high school English class books and occasionally in class is completely appropriate and anyone who disagrees is a perfect example of people getting upset over something as trivial as a word. For example, there is no reason for you to post "the N word" instead of just "nigger". Do you really think a discussion of a word using the word is unjustifiable?
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On June 02 2011 13:21 iNcontroL wrote:
wtf
I didn't call him retarded and idra didn't "call me out" he said "that's surprising he is generally cool"
Shut the fuck up
For someone who recently have been really outspoken about the necessity for mature language in the sc2 community, you have a really bad follow through.
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On June 02 2011 13:39 Pekkz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 13:21 iNcontroL wrote:
wtf
I didn't call him retarded and idra didn't "call me out" he said "that's surprising he is generally cool"
Shut the fuck up For someone who recently have been really outspoken about the necessity for mature language in the sc2 community, you have a really bad follow through.
His main points (especially in relation to the show) were on words the average person considers far worse then "fuck". If you watched the show it was really over two words and nothing much else.
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On June 02 2011 13:36 OsoVega wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 11:23 DR.Ham wrote:On June 02 2011 10:32 vyyye wrote:On June 02 2011 10:22 Rabiator wrote:On June 02 2011 09:15 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On June 02 2011 08:36 Megaliskuu wrote:On June 02 2011 08:35 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On June 02 2011 08:01 aquanda wrote:
It's really quite interesting in the most pathetic way possible how seriously you people take everything. I generally don't like quoting things just for the sake of quoting them, but I would put this in the fucking banner of the website if I had the power. everyone needs to get this message. NAH MAN ESPORTS ESPORTS ESPORTS U GOTTA THINK ABOUT ESPORTS CUZ UR HURTING THEM BM HURTS ESPORTS OFFENSIVE WORDS HURT ESPORTS CENSORSHIP HURTS ESPORTS HOT_BID'S TROLLING HURTS ESPORTS TL NAZIDOM HURTS ESPORTS TL'S BAD POSTERS HURT ESPORTS INCONTROL HURTS ESPORTS MLG HURTS ESPORTS SCANTILY CLAD GAMER GIRLS HURT ESPORTS HATE AGAINST GAMER GIRLS HURTS ESPORTS STARCRAFT 2 HURTS ESPORTS STARCRAFT BROODWAR HURTS ESPORTS BLIZZARD IS HURTING ESPORTS CAPS LOCK IS HURTING ESPORTS and the list could go on for infinity and then some. Ridiculous additions to things are the usual excuse for not having to do anything. "Oh I cant save the world, so I just continue destroying my own little bit of it." Just get some common sense and respect your societies values instead of trying to be a smartass kid and ignore others. After thinking about the whole swearing and cursing thing I have come to the conclusion that those guys are todays version of Peter Pan ... they still want to be "the rebel" they were in their early teens and cant really get over it and grow up. Not only rebels, murderers with intent to kill. Using curses can after all make some random las commit suicide, right? That's what you said anyway. I think that's as bullshit as this post. When you stop believing the whole world is one big society you might realize your ideals aren't the bloody be all end all. "After thinking about the whole swearing and cursing thing I have come to the conclusion that those guys are todays version of Peter Pan ... they still want to be "the rebel" they were in their early teens and cant really get over it and grow up". Do you have any idea how ridiculous that notion is? Who the fuck are you to judge maturity of individuals based solely on their vocabulary? I get people arguing in favor of Incontrol's arguments. Unlike Incontrol, however, some aren't rational and believe anyone not sharing their opinion is an immature little prick. And that's not cool, not cool at all. Let me tell you a secret. "Curb Your Enthusiasm" isn't destroying the world. Destiny is not destroying the world. "South Park" isn't destroying the world. Fucking incredible, is it not? Maybe it's tarnishing your vision of an utopia with your chosen vocabulary, but the world goes on just fine with a "fuck" there and a "nigger" here. No, I don't want to hear "nigger" in the NASL, or anywhere else for that matter. But I can say for fucking certain that I prefer hearing "nigger" every now and then to reading the garbage from people suffering from severe superiority complexes. How are people in 2011 trying to justify the use of the N word in any context? Am I to understand that as a white Swedish person, you are giving your blessing for the use of that word as a day to day insult? Maybe the word doesn't offend you, but can you understand that you are not the group / minority that it is supposed to insult? The context in which it was used in the SoTG episode and in which it was used in my middle and high school English class books and occasionally in class is completely appropriate and anyone who disagrees is a perfect example of people getting upset over something as trivial as a word. For example, there is no reason for you to post "the N word" instead of just "nigger". Do you really think a discussion of a word using the word is unjustifiable?
Perhaps I was too zealous and didn't explain properly, I have no real issue with the use of the word as the topic of a discussion, as in your text book, or on SoTG. My issue is its general use as a derogatory word on the fringes of gaming culture. By this I mean specifically Destiny defending the language as being part of who he is.
I still prefer to not write or say it where possible, but that's just me.
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On June 02 2011 13:21 iNcontroL wrote:
wtf
I didn't call him retarded and idra didn't "call me out" he said "that's surprising he is generally cool"
Shut the fuck up
Really, iNcontroL? Shut the fuck up? I don't really have a side in this debate, but this is quite ironic..
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On June 02 2011 12:36 Cajun2k1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 12:24 Doodsmack wrote:On June 02 2011 11:01 Cajun2k1 wrote:On June 02 2011 10:40 sereniity wrote:On June 02 2011 09:12 Doodsmack wrote:On June 02 2011 08:53 Cajun2k1 wrote:
I don't understand InControl's argument that Destiny is a 'face' of the SC2-community, and thus should refrain using words like nigger and rape, because he got interviewed by Forbes one time.
In the Weapon of Choice discussion between them, DJWheat called InControl out on his use of the 'native-american' accent, and the KellyMilkies-incident. But InControl didn't even go there, because he knows he's not the right person to call out Destiny for the language he uses. Instead he just dismisses it as a non-valid argument, without even giving proper arguments for it. Now in SoTG, he's like if we want ESports to grow we need to ban 'dirty' words. If that's the road ESports is gonna take if it wants to grow, draining the soul out of the game, then we should ask our selves, do we really want that? I'd rather have a 'small' community where 'everything' goes, then the major corporation-esque, soulless community that we're supposedly heading to.
Every sport needs their characters, good or bad. InControl dismisses Destiny's viewers that they only watch Destiny because of his character, doesn't that apply to the majority of the SC2-community? Whenever IdrA gets into some meaningless 'fight' with another player, that adds to the whole excitement for the game, as we've seen with Cruncher and Minigun, recently. So if you're gonna call out Destiny for using the words rape and nigger, and you let your teammate tell another player to go kill himself, and don't call him out on that, you sir, are using double standards and are a hypocrite. I agree, if we took the words nigger and rape out of Starcraft, it would drain the soul out of e-sports. This is actually quite hilarious... ok I can agree that rape MIGHT be okay but the word ni**er? really? I mean that's RACISM for god sake, how can you possibly think that word should be allowed/used in this community? I'd like you guys to think of yourselves as a coloured person for a sec, how fun would it be to hear someone say "oh fucking ni**er" on their stream in front of 3k people? I don't think you'd like it at all, saying the word fuck isn't so harsh because it's not really personal, saying rape isn't really neither in this case, however it IS personal to call someone a ni**er as that may be their ethnicity. I don't care much for it but I know alot of people that would just look weirdly at that and think "what the hell did he just say?" If you think the soul of this community consists of the word rape and ni**er then I pity you. It's only racism if the context allows it, do you think when I'm jovially calling a friend 'my nigger', it's not racism. Context is everything. Btw, the person you're quoting is being sarcastic. How would you assess the context when someone uses the word nigger angrily at their opponent? Same way when someone says asshole, dick, loser, etc. Doesn't necessarily mean that someone is the rear-end of a human, or a male genitalia. It's a cuss-word, so that's the context. The reason why people get all riled up about it, gives the word it's meaning. I'm not advocating that people should yell 'nigger' at everyone, but saying that it shouldn't be used will make it more used, because then it becomes taboo.
Sorry but this just screams cop-out to me. By no reasonable standard is "nigger" a cuss word on the same level as dick and loser. lol
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On June 02 2011 10:13 The KY wrote:
ESPORTS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS YO.
Ok I just read through the recentposts in this thread and yeah it's pretty fucking awful. Inc defends his team when someone claims FXO are better and suddenly you've got 10-20 people jumping down his throat, trying to delegitimise his results, basically insulting him as a player which is his livelihood, then when he reacts angrily he gets a smug little 'hey calm down I was only calling you fucking terrible, you're the one who was shitting on other players, why are you playing the victim.'
For some unknown reason there's a fucking legion of arseholes who feel the need to put iNcontroL under far more scrutiny than is necessary, then take any opportunity to shit on him.
Every MLG last year; Inc is fucking awful!
MLG Dallas; Inc got an easy bracket!
MLG groups announced; Inc gets another easy group what a joke! (this one was particularly weird...so many people were saying it. Where's the people saying 'TLO gets the easiest group again guess he gets an easy road to 5th again!'. Why single out Inc from the 20 people in the groups?)
Inc streaming; He just lost a bunch of games, guess he's fucking shitty!
And now Inc defends his team and himself and the vultures fucking descend again. No wonder he got pissed and left the thread and the show on such a sour note.
I call bullshit on the iNcontroL hate. Just fucking stop.
Yup I agree with everything you've said. I am glad he left SotG now, fuck the community to be honest. He puts himself out there every week to make a great show and people shit on him over and over. I'm so goddamn sick of the overwhelming bullshit in every single aspect of the Starcraft community I just don't see a reason to visit this site except to view streams and tournament information. The rest of it can just fuck off.
The whole 'our community is great' thing applies to a very small minority, as well as in real life. Most people just post to make themselves feel and look important, and it's pretty apparent.
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On June 02 2011 14:12 aquanda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 10:13 The KY wrote:
ESPORTS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS YO.
Ok I just read through the recentposts in this thread and yeah it's pretty fucking awful. Inc defends his team when someone claims FXO are better and suddenly you've got 10-20 people jumping down his throat, trying to delegitimise his results, basically insulting him as a player which is his livelihood, then when he reacts angrily he gets a smug little 'hey calm down I was only calling you fucking terrible, you're the one who was shitting on other players, why are you playing the victim.'
For some unknown reason there's a fucking legion of arseholes who feel the need to put iNcontroL under far more scrutiny than is necessary, then take any opportunity to shit on him.
Every MLG last year; Inc is fucking awful!
MLG Dallas; Inc got an easy bracket!
MLG groups announced; Inc gets another easy group what a joke! (this one was particularly weird...so many people were saying it. Where's the people saying 'TLO gets the easiest group again guess he gets an easy road to 5th again!'. Why single out Inc from the 20 people in the groups?)
Inc streaming; He just lost a bunch of games, guess he's fucking shitty!
And now Inc defends his team and himself and the vultures fucking descend again. No wonder he got pissed and left the thread and the show on such a sour note.
I call bullshit on the iNcontroL hate. Just fucking stop. Yup I agree with everything you've said. I am glad he left SotG now, fuck the community to be honest. He puts himself out there every week to make a great show and people shit on him over and over. I'm so goddamn sick of the overwhelming bullshit in every single aspect of the Starcraft community I just don't see a reason to visit this site except to view streams and tournament information. The rest of it can just fuck off. The whole 'our community is great' thing applies to a very small minority, as well as in real life. Most people just post to make themselves feel and look important, and it's pretty apparent.
you do realize that the public is doing to him what he does to others right? Geoff openly mocks his friend Kelly Milkies and says that gom made a bad choice hiring her. He totally screws with totalbiscuit to the point where totalbiscuit calls out geoff. it was geoff who called out FXO saying "EG is better than them". EG was NOT criticized until geoff said this. He could have said "Congratulations to FXO. They're going to have it hard in Korea but best of wishes and luck" but rather shitted all over their opportunity. just as much as he misrepresents others, others misrepresent him. Theres a reason why Geoff is a love / hate guy. his latest soap box episode didn't help it any and the fact that he lectures the community on verbal ethics and then follows up by telling someone to "shut the fuck up" does not help either. (regardless of context or level of words, the hypocrisy and irony is still there). you can't say that the community has gone to shit without criticizing geoff as well.
golden rule: do unto others as you would like done unto you.
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On June 02 2011 14:12 aquanda wrote:
The whole 'our community is great' thing applies to a very small minority, as well as in real life. Most people just post to make themselves feel and look important, and it's pretty apparent.
Yup. This thread is so depressing.
I think InControl is great, and wish him the best of luck in all his endeavours.
BTW, thanks Aquanda for the build, I still use it!
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Good episode, but the only thing that annoyed me was the whole Incontrol misinterpreting the nicely written letter by one of GSL's commentators. He was really nice and trying to extend his hand to the foreign community and even said he couldn't wait to see the American fans to see their excitement for his game. Some people in that thread did talk about the whole foreigners scared of coming over to Korea, but he never mentioned any of that.
Also the whole FXO/EG argument to me is silly. EG is probably the better team because they have by far the best player in Idra, but both teams would more than likely get crushed in the GSTL. I would probably think that all the current foreign teams would get rocked with Naniwa's team being the only one who might have a chance at getting a victory or two. The Korean teams live together, eat together, practice together and know each other in and out. The advantages they have over the foreign teams who are widely spread out is gigantic.
Finally, I will miss you Incontrol and hope you have success in your other avenues, but think SotG could be just as good or even better depending on who becomes the fourth pillar. I really hope it is someone who watches GSL because I like there is a true lack of discussion on what I believe is the best tournament in the world for the game at the moment. Yeah, the finals suck, but there are awesome games every night and good storylines as well. They didn't even talk about the GSTL Finals and those had some of the best games this year.
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On June 02 2011 13:21 iNcontroL wrote:
wtf
I didn't call him retarded and idra didn't "call me out" he said "that's surprising he is generally cool"
Shut the fuck up
I don't get it. You've already expressed your frustration and disgust for the "idiots" posting in this thread claiming that you're done with it all and yet you continue responding anyways? As for Mr. Chae's article I also thought there were no intentions in his wording to send an underlying that foreigners were "cowards" or express korean superiority. Your response on SoTG felt unecessarily aggressive or maybe you were referring to another article.
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Really hope TL comes up with a Starcraft 2 drama section, so I can avoid all these threads that I thought would contain actual content. Why do legitimate threads like SOTG become gossip/flame wars? Please TL, split the Starcraft 2 forums into Single Player, Custom Maps, SC2 Strategy, SC2 Tourneys, SC2 General, and SC2 General Gossip Crap. Would really help navigating. Thanks!
Poll: New Starcraft 2 "General Gossip Crap" section for derailed threads?No, your mom's an asshole! (17) 74% Yes please! (5) 22% Definitely Needed... (1) 4% 23 total votes Your vote: New Starcraft 2 "General Gossip Crap" section for derailed threads? (Vote): Yes please!
(Vote): Definitely Needed...
(Vote): No, your mom's an asshole!
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On June 02 2011 14:28 Blitz Beat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 14:12 aquanda wrote:On June 02 2011 10:13 The KY wrote:
ESPORTS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS YO.
Ok I just read through the recentposts in this thread and yeah it's pretty fucking awful. Inc defends his team when someone claims FXO are better and suddenly you've got 10-20 people jumping down his throat, trying to delegitimise his results, basically insulting him as a player which is his livelihood, then when he reacts angrily he gets a smug little 'hey calm down I was only calling you fucking terrible, you're the one who was shitting on other players, why are you playing the victim.'
For some unknown reason there's a fucking legion of arseholes who feel the need to put iNcontroL under far more scrutiny than is necessary, then take any opportunity to shit on him.
Every MLG last year; Inc is fucking awful!
MLG Dallas; Inc got an easy bracket!
MLG groups announced; Inc gets another easy group what a joke! (this one was particularly weird...so many people were saying it. Where's the people saying 'TLO gets the easiest group again guess he gets an easy road to 5th again!'. Why single out Inc from the 20 people in the groups?)
Inc streaming; He just lost a bunch of games, guess he's fucking shitty!
And now Inc defends his team and himself and the vultures fucking descend again. No wonder he got pissed and left the thread and the show on such a sour note.
I call bullshit on the iNcontroL hate. Just fucking stop. Yup I agree with everything you've said. I am glad he left SotG now, fuck the community to be honest. He puts himself out there every week to make a great show and people shit on him over and over. I'm so goddamn sick of the overwhelming bullshit in every single aspect of the Starcraft community I just don't see a reason to visit this site except to view streams and tournament information. The rest of it can just fuck off. The whole 'our community is great' thing applies to a very small minority, as well as in real life. Most people just post to make themselves feel and look important, and it's pretty apparent. you do realize that the public is doing to him what he does to others right? Geoff openly mocks his friend Kelly Milkies and says that gom made a bad choice hiring her. He totally screws with totalbiscuit to the point where totalbiscuit calls out geoff. it was geoff who called out FXO saying "EG is better than them". EG was NOT criticized until geoff said this. He could have said "Congratulations to FXO. They're going to have it hard in Korea but best of wishes and luck" but rather shitted all over their opportunity. just as much as he misrepresents others, others misrepresent him. Theres a reason why Geoff is a love / hate guy. his latest soap box episode didn't help it any and the fact that he lectures the community on verbal ethics and then follows up by telling someone to "shut the fuck up" does not help either. (regardless of context or level of words, the hypocrisy and irony is still there). you can't say that the community has gone to shit without criticizing geoff as well. golden rule: do unto others as you would like done unto you.
Well I'm so happy that we have people like you that can uphold the golden rule for Geoff! He makes comments about Kelly Milkies and other casters mostly as a joke. I know it's hard to believe but people make jokes and criticisms of people that they KNOW to a certain extent. Even if the jokes come off to harsh, Geoff is always the first to apologize.
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On June 02 2011 14:56 Beef Noodles wrote:
Really hope TL comes up with a Starcraft 2 drama section, so I can avoid all these threads that I thought would contain actual content. Why do legitimate threads like SOTG become gossip/flame wars? Please TL, split the Starcraft 2 forums into Single Player, Custom Maps, SC2 Strategy, SC2 Tourneys, SC2 General, and SC2 General Gossip Crap. Would really help navigating. Thanks!
I'd love to see a poll attached to this post.
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Incontrol, you can't act like a total dick to others and still expect people to be nice to you. I know you got by with that kind of behaviour in school, but this is the Internet. Nobody's afraid of you here. If someone thinks you're an arrogant, condescending, hypocritical prick, he will tell you so, without the risk of you beating him up. What's so hard to understand about that?
After the Demuslim incident, coupled with a ton of other things, I just can't feel sorry for you any more. You deserve all the "hate" you're getting. Just grow the fuck up, please.
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On June 02 2011 11:37 Liight wrote:
Words over the internet dirrected nowhere towards you are serious buisiness.
This. People are taking this shit way too seriously. Destiny isn't deterring esports whatsoever, neither is Idra or anyone else swearing or BMing on their stream.
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On June 02 2011 14:58 Razuik wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 14:28 Blitz Beat wrote:On June 02 2011 14:12 aquanda wrote:On June 02 2011 10:13 The KY wrote:
ESPORTS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS YO.
Ok I just read through the recentposts in this thread and yeah it's pretty fucking awful. Inc defends his team when someone claims FXO are better and suddenly you've got 10-20 people jumping down his throat, trying to delegitimise his results, basically insulting him as a player which is his livelihood, then when he reacts angrily he gets a smug little 'hey calm down I was only calling you fucking terrible, you're the one who was shitting on other players, why are you playing the victim.'
For some unknown reason there's a fucking legion of arseholes who feel the need to put iNcontroL under far more scrutiny than is necessary, then take any opportunity to shit on him.
Every MLG last year; Inc is fucking awful!
MLG Dallas; Inc got an easy bracket!
MLG groups announced; Inc gets another easy group what a joke! (this one was particularly weird...so many people were saying it. Where's the people saying 'TLO gets the easiest group again guess he gets an easy road to 5th again!'. Why single out Inc from the 20 people in the groups?)
Inc streaming; He just lost a bunch of games, guess he's fucking shitty!
And now Inc defends his team and himself and the vultures fucking descend again. No wonder he got pissed and left the thread and the show on such a sour note.
I call bullshit on the iNcontroL hate. Just fucking stop. Yup I agree with everything you've said. I am glad he left SotG now, fuck the community to be honest. He puts himself out there every week to make a great show and people shit on him over and over. I'm so goddamn sick of the overwhelming bullshit in every single aspect of the Starcraft community I just don't see a reason to visit this site except to view streams and tournament information. The rest of it can just fuck off. The whole 'our community is great' thing applies to a very small minority, as well as in real life. Most people just post to make themselves feel and look important, and it's pretty apparent. you do realize that the public is doing to him what he does to others right? Geoff openly mocks his friend Kelly Milkies and says that gom made a bad choice hiring her. He totally screws with totalbiscuit to the point where totalbiscuit calls out geoff. it was geoff who called out FXO saying "EG is better than them". EG was NOT criticized until geoff said this. He could have said "Congratulations to FXO. They're going to have it hard in Korea but best of wishes and luck" but rather shitted all over their opportunity. just as much as he misrepresents others, others misrepresent him. Theres a reason why Geoff is a love / hate guy. his latest soap box episode didn't help it any and the fact that he lectures the community on verbal ethics and then follows up by telling someone to "shut the fuck up" does not help either. (regardless of context or level of words, the hypocrisy and irony is still there). you can't say that the community has gone to shit without criticizing geoff as well. golden rule: do unto others as you would like done unto you. Well I'm so happy that we have people like you that can uphold the golden rule for Geoff! He makes comments about Kelly Milkies and other casters mostly as a joke. I know it's hard to believe but people make jokes and criticisms of people that they KNOW to a certain extent. Even if the jokes come off to harsh, Geoff is always the first to apologize.
mostly as a joke but the people who he "jokes" about get offended. its not a joke when you're confronted and told to stop. a joke might get thousands of laughs but if even one person is offended its not a joke, especially if that one person is the subject of the joke. he crosses the lines of joke and offense way too often. also, apologies don't always work. you don't say something with the rationale of 'if people are offended i just have to apologize'. how often did he apologize on sotg or whenever he says something? when you're constantly apologizing or when you're constantly the center of controversy / criticism, there's a reason for it.
"hey, your mom is a stupid bimbo who's only good for one thing ... what you're offended. sorry. but anyway, hey your sister is a stupid bimbo who's only good for... offended? sorry. your aunt... sorry."
eventually he needs to understand that so long as he says controversial things or makes 'jokes' at another person's expense, that he'll be in the center of attention. unfortunately he's not like his counterpart idra who doesn't give a shit about what goes on in the forums / community. so if he doesn't like the negative attention that comes with the good, then the only solution is to stop.
as for the golden rule, i hope that you'll criticize me too when i make hypocritical statements, offend others, and get on a soap box to lecture others on how they should act (go to church, eat your broccolis, don't say 'shut the fuck up', go to college).
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On June 02 2011 13:47 Vendor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 13:39 Pekkz wrote:On June 02 2011 13:21 iNcontroL wrote:
wtf
I didn't call him retarded and idra didn't "call me out" he said "that's surprising he is generally cool"
Shut the fuck up For someone who recently have been really outspoken about the necessity for mature language in the sc2 community, you have a really bad follow through. His main points (especially in relation to the show) were on words the average person considers far worse then "fuck". If you watched the show it was really over two words and nothing much else.
There was also a large argument regarding context. He just told another person to shut the fuck up, intending to fully direct his anger at another person in an unprofessional manner, after he argues about another person using words in a contextually innocent way. So apparently using slightly more innocent phrases in a spiteful manner is worse than using arguably worst words jokingly? And he can argue that this is conduct unbecoming of a community figurehead, which Destiny barely is, while he is the main person being the biggest league in North America?
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On June 02 2011 15:26 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 13:47 Vendor wrote:On June 02 2011 13:39 Pekkz wrote:On June 02 2011 13:21 iNcontroL wrote:
wtf
I didn't call him retarded and idra didn't "call me out" he said "that's surprising he is generally cool"
Shut the fuck up For someone who recently have been really outspoken about the necessity for mature language in the sc2 community, you have a really bad follow through. His main points (especially in relation to the show) were on words the average person considers far worse then "fuck". If you watched the show it was really over two words and nothing much else. There was also a large argument regarding context. He just told another person to shut the fuck up, intending to fully direct his anger at another person in an unprofessional manner, after he argues about another person using words in a contextually innocent way. So apparently using slightly more innocent phrases in a spiteful manner is worse than using arguably worst words jokingly? And he can argue that this is conduct unbecoming of a community figurehead, which Destiny barely is, while he is the main person being the biggest league in North America?
You are just wrong. Please stop. The n-word is not "arguably worse" than fuck. It is just worse.
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