EPTIt's really not that bad if you've been keeping your reflexes sharp (I play ping pong on the side lol).
The game is also a lot "easier" to play now from the psychological warfare standpoint. It seems people are easier to "read".
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shlomo
258 Posts
It's really not that bad if you've been keeping your reflexes sharp (I play ping pong on the side lol). The game is also a lot "easier" to play now from the psychological warfare standpoint. It seems people are easier to "read". | ||
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Drakkart
80 Posts
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sNes.
United States377 Posts
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WolfStar
United Kingdom155 Posts
I have found my patience, understanding and acceptance of loses has really improved these last three year I have come back to SC-->SC2. I've been playing PC games for 20 odd years and my mouse accuracy still sucks, so I guess I will never be a pro, but I am up in Diamond at the mo. and that makes me happy  I think the harderest thing for the older gamer is job/wife/kids(soon eeek!) | ||
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OPSavioR
Sweden1465 Posts
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jpaugh78
United States179 Posts
My micro/macro sucks, but I think it's due to my A.D.D. It's really hard to concentrate on so many different things at once when my brain get's distracted so easily. Really flippin' annoying at times. | ||
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Doctorasul
Romania1145 Posts
I'm not sure if this qualifies as "low APM" since I'm comforatble with the mouse and I can keep up with multitasking decently. I was a C- protoss; I'm now a low-mid diamond random and improving steadily and I've never felt better! I think maybe with the exception of pro players age is only a limitation because of the little time spent practicing, and because you are less likely to give up everything in your life to play a game 10 hours a day. 15 year olds are much more willing to become obsessed with something (replace with passionate about something if you want a more positive tone), while at 25 years you probably already have a range of interests you are not willing to give up on. | ||
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mofoo
Sweden96 Posts
APM is increasing slowly the more games I play. In the beginning I was around 30-40, now I'm around 70-75 in average. There is a multitask trainer map I tried out during beta downtime, that helped me in my APM, I suggest you try that. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=124983 And as for competition, I think we 30+ have a lot more other responsibilities that keeps us out of the pro-scene, work, wifes, kids (or as in my case, excessive training). I think it is just the time invested in StarCraft that makes all the difference.. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On August 18 2010 18:19 Baarn wrote: Why are people so black or white about pro gaming? People career switch at some point in their life if they are no longer interested in what they were doing before. The end result isn't always mcdonalds or some other rubbish thing cause suddenly you become some total loser after moving on from pro gaming. Grrrrr is a successful poker pro after being the only foreigner to win a star league. First of all I assume you arent that old yet or you might have noticed the following yourself. There is this old saying that you can't teach new tricks to an old dog. This is true and if kids are spending their major focus on playing games during the age of 10-26 they waste the one chance they have to learn things easily. Sure you can learn new stuff when you are older, but it will be much harder than in those early years. The problem with gaming is also that it doesnt work as a basis for anything other than the gaming industry and if you stop playing yourself your know-how will be outdated pretty fast, so the knowledge is more or less useless. You can learn the management and strategic planning skills associated with an RTS from watching streams regularly and that is probably the only useful skill involved with it. The thing is that the most successful pro gamers will probably have no problem doing something new (like Poker), but those arent the real issue. The real problem are those people who invest the time to try and make it work and fail or barely succeed at it. They are not well know, have probably no team support and so on. Since they invested the time - and maybe a lot of daddys money to keep them and their dream alive - they practically wasted the time on something that will not help them in any profession out there. They might be too old to go to university and their school grades might already have suffered because of playing too much computer games. You cant "redo" school for better grades and if you botch that youre screwed. Another thing about gaming at a very early age is that you can easily damage yourself FOR LIFE. Just look at Day[9] and his carpal tunnel syndrome - I have something similar and it isnt fun - and I think I heard at least one other prominent gamer mentioning the same problem. Does it really make sense to ruin your ability to use a computer properly by being an ill informed child who likes to play too much computer games? There are a ton of professions where you need to be able to use the computer - I am working with it as well -, but it isnt really fun when your wrist hurts all the time. Personally I had to switch to a WACOM tablet instead of a mouse, just because it forces me to hold my hand differently, but not everyone can afford those 350€ ... I know there are cheaper tablets out there, but they dont offer the same amount of options a WACOM has. Oh and another thing: Stopping to play is hard and games like WoW are an addiction. I know, because I quit WoW (and several other games wayy before the friends that were playing the game as well) and after you have done it you sometimes feel really really empty and do not know what to do with your time. As a kid you NEED TO learn social skills of being able to communicate with others and to solve problems in a relationship. In our society these skills are rare as hell already to cheer for yet another "escape from real life" method. | ||
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FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
Also, it seems that you don't need a very high APM to make it into mid-Diamond anyway. I constantly lose to guys with half my APM... | ||
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MarsAttacks
20 Posts
was a war3 player (i made my way in FFA, badass experience help here^^), didn't play SC1 here a quote which slap me back in the face after my first SC2 games : "the older i get the faster i was" and as someone said : i don't care ladder anymore, i know other folks like me, we are creating a gang of old-boy to have fun with our 10apm xD | ||
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ToxicSEA
Australia2 Posts
14 and in platinum, rank 34. | ||
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Dav_
Hungary236 Posts
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Blacklizard
United States1194 Posts
My main and alt usually got into upper diamond pretty quickly in the beta and the same seems to be true for retail. So no, I don't think age isn't slowing anybody down really. But even so, I long for the days of college when I had all the time in the world. --- cant even finish a post! Summary: if you are old, play play play dont give up. | ||
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Jonray
United States37 Posts
When I was playing WoW, I was a member of a PvP guild and used to have a blast beating "kids" in the arena that were 1/3 my age. :p I've been a long time member of a group called The Older Gamers where the minimum age limit to join is 25. Most of the gamers there play FPS games. I guess I've slowed a little over the years. My typing words per minute has recently dropped below 90 for the first time since college. I would agree that having a wife, kids, job, etc. makes it harder to find time to play / practice. So I've gone back to my high school basketball days and remembered when my coach used to say "Practice does NOT make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect. If you practice the wrong thing over and over again, the only result will be to be really good at doing the wrong things." I think the difference that I bring as an older person playing is a willingness to study, research, and understand what I'm doing. Because I can't play as much, I'll find little bits of time (like right now when I'm waiting for a server to reboot) to learn as much as I can. I figure if I can't be faster than my opponent, then I darn well better be smarter. I believe that us "oldtimers" do have a chance to at least climb the ladders, if not place well in some of the tournaments. It's a matter of commitment, approach and time. It may not be realistic to think that at 45 I can go to Korea and give those kids their cumuppance, but that isn't really my goal or my reason for playing. | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
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StuF
Netherlands51 Posts
i was a decent player back then (played some national tournaments, best result being halffinalist), but had to stop because i totally drained my parents bankaccount due to continuous gaming on our isdn connecting. i stopped gaming in general for a while. i tried to make a comeback several times during the 00's (2002/2004/2006) but soon realized the overall lvl of play had drastically increased while mine had decreased significantly. when sc2 beta came out, i decided to pick up gaming once again. and i've been reasonably succesful. i worked my way up to lowlvl diamond and am very happy about it since i had to overcome a lot of challenges to get there. my apm is nothing special, but i now manage to keep it close to 100 average without spamming. (my zerg is a lot higher) i do feel i was a better player when i was younger. mainly caus i was still naive and didnt realize just what made me stand out as much as i now realize how much i am doing wrong. also my concern is with becoming a better, more creative, mature and overall skillfull and smart player, while the younger version of me just wanted to win . i feel like this is both an advantage as a disadvantage. for instance, as a rule i don't cheese. my focus is on reaching the endgame, controlling the map and slowly getting ahead of my opponent with strategic planning. another thing is i don't have a solid build. i always try to rely on my game sense, multitasking, micro and macro to get on top, but i lose a lot to that early midgame timing pushes that are kinda all-in-ish. thats mostly just inexperience and stubborness on my part. i just don't want to stick to one solid build. also i play random. and i don't scout enough. at least not in early game. still a lot to improve on, but i do not feel like age is an issue. it just so that the pros and cons of my playstyle have shifted with age. | ||
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Juaks
United States384 Posts
I have never played any RTS in a competitive way, just for fun with friends and I have followed BW Korean Pro scene since 2005 (That National Geograghic docummentary awoke my hunger for Strarcraft again). I love BW but when I realized I couldn´t catch up with most players to really compete on ladders I just gave up and just enjoyed watching replays, VODS and streams. Now I own SC2 and I love it. I am taking my sweet time since I spend a lot of time watching streams, Day9 dailys etc..and playing a bit of campaign and actually finishing my last beginner league matches. I will never be a top player but my plan with SC2 is play a lot more on ladders to become a good/solid player. | ||
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Psionith
United States35 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On August 18 2010 22:36 ToxicSEA wrote: Are most of Starcraft 2 players 20+? I'm under 20, way under. :0 14 and in platinum, rank 34. It's a pretty even spread between 17 and 24. The "bell curve peak" has shifted in the past 6 years though from like 14-21 to the current 17-24. | ||
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