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Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
August 18 2010 08:48 GMT
#21
Well the problem is that the passion for the game is extremly blinding. Of course, if you are 15 you can make Starcraft 2 prior to other things.. But as your age rises, you should see far behind a video game. I can tell you right now that I wont be able to compete at the top level, because Im not willing to give away whole period of my life.. Its also a big question wheter your family supports your way of thinking or not.. I belive there are lots of gamers out there that their parents dont have a clue.. Just look what happened to Morrow vs Huk last tournament, kinda funny.. :-)
ChaseR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Norway1004 Posts
August 18 2010 08:48 GMT
#22
I also feel like I'm doing allot better in SC2 (Plat T in all leagues) Macro is so much easier and it free's up resources to focus on micro and strategy. It's made me realize that the original BW required so much skill and speed because it's control functions and interface where so limited and outdated.

But also because the unit AI is much smarter, the nightmare in BW of pushing out with vultures/tanks and not to make any mis-micro mistakes or messing around with 5-6 control groups of marines in TvZ >_<

Noob friendly SC2 may be but it also allows 100-150 apm players to play to their potential without being hindered by all the technical mechanics in BW. Also no longer goddamn stuck scvs!!!
Life is not Fucking Fair and Society is not Fucking Logical - "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
kar1181
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom515 Posts
August 18 2010 08:49 GMT
#23
I think for most of us (I'm 29) we aren't going to suffer too much in games as we age.

It's only at the top echelon that the 1-5% difference age makes, really hurts. At most of our levels, experience will outweigh any neuro physical disadvantages.

The main disadvantage comes from the fact most of us have to work, have girlfriends/wives and or children The inability to play 8 hours a day really hurts vs a 16 yr old
sCuMBaG
Profile Joined August 2006
United Kingdom1144 Posts
August 18 2010 08:51 GMT
#24
On August 18 2010 17:09 Zandar wrote:
Show nested quote +
What he said. Maybe after 40-50 you can't compete with younger players


Well, my mother of 65 is main healer in a raidguild so I still got my hopes up


youre kidding right?
althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
August 18 2010 08:52 GMT
#25
I think the reason there are less "older" players and more younger ones is because once you get past your early 20s you have a lot of responsibilities which eat into your practice time. I am now 26 and have a daughter which doesn't leave me much practice time (I've played less than 50 games probably, including beta), so I'm high Platinum. If I were 15 or 16 like I was when I started playing the original game, I'm certain I'd be upper Diamond for sure. Finding time around family work (and study for some of us as well) is actually pretty hard. They key for players that don't have the time they need is to not take things too seriously and that way you can still have a blast (and still own all of your mates )
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bodycount
Profile Joined June 2010
Poland36 Posts
August 18 2010 08:53 GMT
#26
26 atm, gamer for 16 at least I guess. Planning to keep on rocking and pass my passion to my kids

Respect for all the 30/40/50+ gamers out there
illumination
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)248 Posts
August 18 2010 08:58 GMT
#27
And they say youth is wasted on the young, yet the old play starcraft tehehe
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Cuddle
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1345 Posts
August 18 2010 09:02 GMT
#28
I'm 28 and have played all the first installments of all the popular RTS-series but I try to avoid sequels with the exception of AoE, SC and WC. I never was any good at SC1 but got placed platinum in SC2 and I've managed to keep my position. I don't have a ton of time to play though so I improvement is slow.
FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 09:09:30
August 18 2010 09:04 GMT
#29
On August 18 2010 17:38 Jakalo wrote:
Sometimes I read all those late 20/30+ posts ''I am slow as hell'', ''I cant compete with younger players'' and feel like Im approaching the end of my days Im 22


I know what you mean, it's kinda creepy. And by that measure I have already surpassed the end of my days (mid-thirties) and am left wondering why I'm not walking on a stick yet :D

About the skill thing, I like to think that my personal limits, especially concerning speed, are not so much due to age directly, but more to the fact that I was already over 20 when I first played Broodwar. (When I was a kid, there was ping pong. Then donkey kong and pac man and so on.) I mean, if you start playing the piano at age 6, you can become a maestro, if you start at 20, you can forget about that. BUT you can still develop decent, presentable skill and have lots of fun playing. Similar with RTS.

Edit:

I belive there are lots of gamers out there that their parents dont have a clue.. Just look what happened to Morrow vs Huk last tournament, kinda funny.. :-)


What happened? o_O
ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2297 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 09:05:22
August 18 2010 09:05 GMT
#30
I remember why sataNik quit bw. because he was getting older and his back started to hurt after playing mass games! tho he was playing insane vs Kors on iccup, pretty competitive play. I hope he starts sc2 tho since its easier to macro.
Terran in particular is a notoriously strong race for a no brain skillhand bot style.
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 09:08:36
August 18 2010 09:06 GMT
#31
On August 18 2010 17:51 sCuMBaG wrote:
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On August 18 2010 17:09 Zandar wrote:
Well, my mother of 65 is main healer in a raidguild so I still got my hopes up


youre kidding right?


Nope, my brother and I game since the 80s and she always looked over our shoulder and liked it. Soon she tried some simple games too and enjoyed it. She even played some RTS, Dune, AOE, WC1 and 2, and even WC3 a bit, solo, but online was too fast for her.
Once we started to play EQ, WOW and EQ2 she really liked that a lot more than RTS because she could play it in her own pace and she sticked with it.
She loves questing and still has the reflexes to keep the raid alive, even at her age.

And she isn't even the oldest, they have a 70 year old sorc in that guild too who does fine
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
Onlinejaguar
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia2823 Posts
August 18 2010 09:07 GMT
#32
If you see age as a barrier you wont progress. I say just don't even think about it and enjoy the game. I'm only 21 so i'm not an older gamer but i can see myself in 10 years time still gaming and being competitive in whatever way i can.
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
August 18 2010 09:17 GMT
#33
I'm 39, not a fantastic player but I can certainly promise you it's not reaction time that's holding me back. Maybe at the VERY top levels that's an issue, but the truth is that having the focus and interest to push for improvement is something that comes more easily with age, not less so.

To the poster up above who's concerned about job prospects for pro SC2 players, I think in the United States it won't be so much an issue, because there's already a lot of tolerance for career shifts, particularly in one's 20s and 30s but often later as well. In Korea, probably it's a much bigger problem, and I noticed that Blizzard committed something like $500,000 to a fund to help pro Korean gamers complete their educations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
August 18 2010 09:19 GMT
#34
On August 18 2010 17:31 Rabiator wrote:
I am 43 and do not own the game. The beta clearly showed me that I could never really compete, but I dont really care about that either. The sad fact is that you can only play this "for fun" with a bunch of friends and most of mine do not have the time or desire to play. So watching replays is a nice "plan B" for enjoying good Starcraft, although I can still remember the joy of nuking 8 Overlords full of Hydralisks with one single nuke in BW.

With the desire to turn Starcraft 2 into a worldwide eSport I really think there will be some "victims" of this scheme among the professional players when they turn 30 or so and the next generation with faster reflexes runs over them. When I think of people like IdrA - who devote all of their life to playing the game - and think about his "tech switch in this game called life" after the end of his career, I can only come up with two future jobs:
1. McDonalds opens up a restaurant in the middle of Seoul and you get served there by all the former pro players.
2. Morning talkshows or small amusement parks around the country, where you can "play against IdrA for 5$".
None of those are very dignified, but for people who devote all their attention to one thing it will be hard to get rid of that addiction and be focused enough to do something else very well. The match fixing scandal clearly showed that the players are aware of the issue IMO, but many of the kids who aspire to become professional gamers do not realize the danger. Unlike basketball pro players there is no "Starcraft teacher" at school, so there is no clear "followup" to the "Starcraft pro gamer tech" in life and pro gamers do not earn enough to have sufficient funds for the rest of their life as top sports stars do.


Why are people so black or white about pro gaming? People career switch at some point in their life if they are no longer interested in what they were doing before. The end result isn't always mcdonalds or some other rubbish thing cause suddenly you become some total loser after moving on from pro gaming. Grrrrr is a successful poker pro after being the only foreigner to win a star league.
There's no S in KT. :P
epik640x
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1134 Posts
August 18 2010 09:53 GMT
#35
On August 18 2010 17:51 sCuMBaG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2010 17:09 Zandar wrote:
What he said. Maybe after 40-50 you can't compete with younger players


Well, my mother of 65 is main healer in a raidguild so I still got my hopes up


youre kidding right?


I hope not. His 65-year-old mom is healing for WoW raids? That's bad-ass. Tell her to rock on!
Boonesbane
Profile Joined May 2010
United States170 Posts
August 18 2010 09:57 GMT
#36
On August 18 2010 16:58 superbabosheki wrote:
I don't think age really makes you worse per se, just the fact younglings like me have very few responsibilities, thus can play SC2 more.


This is definitely it. I doubt you 30 year olds really move your hands noticeable slower than me, but being 17 with no job for the summer pretty much means minimum 6 hours a day of starcraft if i want to.
" good sir, you appear to be somewhat lacking in intelligence. please refrain from posting until this is remedied, since it renders your opinions slightly less than correct and has a tendency to irritate more informed forum-goers. " - Grack "idrA" Fields
Coeus1
Profile Joined May 2010
Finland160 Posts
August 18 2010 10:10 GMT
#37
32 and I have played games since Commodore 64.

Real life taking too much time, but I enjoy this game. Never going to be better than platinum I think. Playing style is taking some matches more serious and macro oriented, other times just doing something stupid.

I think that older players usually don't have the passion/dedication/time to be "pro" in gaming, and that is the main reason why the best players are around 16-25 years.

I also have one bad habit. When I have free time, I like to take couple of beers to relax. After few drinks my SC2 performance really plummets for some strange reason.. -)

Also sometimes play Counter-Strike against kids for fun.

xxx
link0
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 10:21:35
August 18 2010 10:17 GMT
#38
27 here. Attorney. GF.

1004 points in Diamond. Ranked #32 on NA by Blizzard.

Played significant amounts of BW, COH, and DOW2 during high school, college, and law school.

I do feel that my age does make me slightly slower (lower APM), but SC2 isn't as APM intensive as BW, and I can still hold my own against the famous sc2 players like qxc, nony, slush, incontrol, silver, etc. Having a ton of RTS experience definitely allows me to improve extremely rapidly in SC2 with much less practice time.
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papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 10:37:02
August 18 2010 10:36 GMT
#39
The age comparison between players is actually quite irrelevant.

It's not like you are 30 years old placed in silver league today but the 10 year old younger version of yourself would have placed top diamond.

The question in all of these kinds of "age" threads is: how much better would you play because of age if you were X years younger?

Most of the "old" players would in their "young" ages not be top diamond or pro players anyways so I don't believe that age is the biggest factor of your skill level.

Grond
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
599 Posts
August 18 2010 10:41 GMT
#40
If you look at other sports where reaction speed is important late 30s is where people start to struggle.
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