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On August 15 2010 20:41 TzTz wrote:
It's a bad idea because it could and would be abused. Like just trading wins. I win, you win the next one, etc.
Easy way to milk your bonus points.
Exactly. People say you don't gain anything but but a draw but the bonus pool increases everyday.
So re-matching would give both players an increase of points if they both trade wins how unlikely it may seem. Thus both players will increase in rating.
This feature COULD be implemented if the bonus pool wasn't implemented but it isn't and I doubt it will get removed.
Just ask for a re-match in custom game.
Basically the OP lost due to some cheese strat he couldn't prevent and wants to re-match for his lost points.
So what.... Even at pro games there are still cheeses. If you're on a high level then you're more likely to play each other again so this implementation would be useless.
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On August 15 2010 07:32 kalleralle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 07:29 Empyrean wrote:
I think his point was that if one player completely dominated the other, but the other player wants a rematch, the winning player would never decline the rematch because it'd be an easier source of points than someone random on the ladder.
Lol who would just start randomly throwing games to a stranger? Also as your ranking grows the points gained would diminish and utlimately be 0 I suppose
And I'm saying that argument uses faulty logic and is invalid in a formal sense. Also, cap amount of rematches to like 3-4-5. I'm off to bed now but keep discussing.
Up because I think it would be really interesting if Blizzard added a rematch function.
it could work on the score window. Like, you see a check box next to 'Rematch' and then you check it. If your opponent leaves that window without checking the box then you get a warning 'X denied a rematch', and if he checks first then you get a 'X is inviting you to a rematch' (the same happens if you check before him).
When both players check then a new game starts. Also they should limit it to BO5 (or even BO3) to avoid ladder abuse. As in: the system would detect if certain player went 3-0 and then the rematch option would no longer be available. If it's 2-1 or 2-2 it would still be possible to play a rematch.
This is really really good and can lead to improvements in one's skills. Please blizzard add a rematch option!
PokerStars [...] did this and it's absolutely great!
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Yeah, set up a custom game.. I don't understand. Rematches are used to either abuse the system or to settle a grudge.
After your game, click their name, then click chat. It's not complicated to set up just takes a couple steps.
I don't really think it has any place in the game.
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On August 15 2010 20:58 shannn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 20:41 TzTz wrote:
It's a bad idea because it could and would be abused. Like just trading wins. I win, you win the next one, etc.
Easy way to milk your bonus points. Exactly. People say you don't gain anything but but a draw but the bonus pool increases everyday. So re-matching would give both players an increase of points if they both trade wins how unlikely it may seem. Thus both players will increase in rating. This feature COULD be implemented if the bonus pool wasn't implemented but it isn't and I doubt it will get removed. Just ask for a re-match in custom game. Basically the OP lost due to some cheese strat he couldn't prevent and wants to re-match for his lost points. So what.... Even at pro games there are still cheeses. If you're on a high level then you're more likely to play each other again so this implementation would be useless.
Because if you play normally the bonus points magically disappear?
You have the same amount of bonus points, no matter what you do and it's not like it requires a hundred games a day to use them up.
This won't give an advantage to any of the players compared to playing normally.
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On August 15 2010 07:17 vlaric wrote:
Better yet, perhaps the ladder could be upgraded so that users can have an option do Bo3/Bo5 with the next user they face on the ladder instead of only one game.
That would be a blast.
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I would say cap rematches to 2, that is, 3 games in total. Thats the least amount games it would take to get a definitive rematch and "settle the score". Any more kinda overheaves the current ladder system. I mean, we already commonly get 2 matches in a row against players, and very rarely, 3. Most of the the time people will decline rematches, with the exception of well-fought games.
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blizzard doesnt want the player the have any control on their ranked opponent because then people can find ways to exploit the system and get points.
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most of my opponents are french or german and never respond to any chat in a ladder match.
might as well talk to AI.
the only chat i've ever seen besides gg at the end of a match was a 'lol' after a guy failed proxy reaper.
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The biggest effect this would have is increase flaming and trash talk. The reason for this is because every time you get your opponent mad enough to press the rematch button against you you have the option to rematch if you think that it is an easy win or to abstain if he probably would beat you. Rewarding flamers is never a good idea imo.
Definitely not in favor of this.
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Meh, I don't see why so many people are against this. Sure, you have the option to set up a custom game and do the rematch like that, but why does this have to be the only way? With the OP's way, it would be a lot quicker to set up and it would be hard to abuse if you put a 2 game cap on it.
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If it was a close game and I only just lost or something I often ask for another game. Likewise if someone was clearly pretty decent I thought they were a good challenge.
As yet only one person has agreed to another game after 100s of games. Most people seem to value quick wins or just more points over fun or close games.
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On August 15 2010 07:08 R0YAL wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 07:07 kalleralle wrote:On August 15 2010 07:06 R0YAL wrote:
Dont think this will be implemented b/c it could get exploited for points. How so? If you get a buddy then they could throw the match and then agree for rematch over and over, and they could take turns.
why would you get points for winning these games? implementing this function with points for the winner would be the most stupid thing i've ever heard of
this could maybe be abused to gain ladder points and would definetly be abused to get wins (for icons)
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do think it is easy to just ask them for a rematch in chat ....but would be so much easier to just hit a rematch button....makes things easier for the loser that doesnt feel like asking the better player for a rematch......oh and if the first match was on ladder....the rematches would NOT be....so that there would not be any sort of boosting
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On August 15 2010 07:04 Empyrean wrote:
Why not just end with gg re? when you leave? It's easy to chat your opponent after the game.
Seems pretty useless.
It would be nice to get your points back though.
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If I am playing on the ladder, I am trying to acquire more points so I can play people of a higher skill level (or play people around my level). Some marginal amount of value is placed on each game (via points). If I am playing a custom game, I am generally doing it to practice with partners or I am some type of tourny.
If I win a ladder game, what is my incentive to allow someone to settle a grudge though a custom game? I am sure the reasons might vary from player to player, but I cant think of any that really influence me on a personal level. If a rematch offered something beyond "ooo I beat this guy again", I can see it happening. Both players have to anti up in a ladder situation.
Can it be abused? Of course it can. Anything can be abused. However, limiting a rematch series to a bo3,5 (something along these lines) reduces the amount of abuse. A single bnet account also is a huge factor. I loved the rematch option on ICCup and people rave how superior it is to bnet2.0. Did the ladder have some abuse? Of course it did. Did it prevent ICCup from being successful? Heck no. Sometimes you have realize what you are complaining about is not that big of a deal.
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I'm definetily pro rematch.
i mean chat channels are going to come some time soon (soon might be a year or so^^), but i don't really think blizzard will implement it.
won't be too long until external ladders will be the place to play. ESL Ladder and EAS being the first (at least in germany) which will imo succeed.
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Its not all about grudge matches guys. Haven't you ever played someone, had a really close game, and decided that you would like to play this person again?
Used to re people all the time on iccup, it was great. And I doubt the abuse would be much of a problem if they put a 2-3 game cap on it.
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after reading the OP i was thinking about how annoying it would be to close that "rematch popup window" by clicking no EVERY time you loose ^_^ great idea ...
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I completely agree with the OP.
It is very annoying to have to spend 5 minutes arranging a rematch simply because you found someone who is equally skilled as you.
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Best of 3 Ladder option? With points awarded or deducted after every match?
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