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Why is there no rematch function in SC2? It seems like a pretty basic function to have in an online RTS game released in 2010? I feel like Starcraft is such an anonymous game right now and there is never time for any dynamic between players.
If I lose to some random ridiculous cheese I want to be able to at least have the chance for a rematch, same thing goes if I'm playing a trash talker. Sure you could arrange your own rematches but it's too complicated and requires too much complex interaction so you end up just clicking that find game button and face yet another random anonymous guy.
I feel like this in addition to chat channels and other changes people have suggested could help make the game more social, less anonymous and provide more dynamic interaction between players.
What do you think about my idea, does anyone disagree? Sorry if this has already been suggested and sorry about my English.
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/signed
i've often wished for the same thing... seems like a really simple option to implement and would help a ton to make the game more social... also would make it easier to practice against a single race.
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Why not just end with gg re? when you leave? It's easy to chat your opponent after the game.
Seems pretty useless.
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It's probably a lot harder to implement than it would seem but it really should be in place for a high profile game like Starcraft 2. To put thing into perspective Starcraft 1 was one of the first games to popularize actually having different races with different units and mechanics before that different races in games were pretty much the same but with different graphics and names on the units.
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Dont think this will be implemented b/c it could get exploited for points.
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On August 15 2010 07:06 R0YAL wrote:
Dont think this will be implemented b/c it could get exploited for points.
How so?
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On August 15 2010 07:07 kalleralle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 07:06 R0YAL wrote:
Dont think this will be implemented b/c it could get exploited for points. How so?
If you get a buddy then they could throw the match and then agree for rematch over and over, and they could take turns.
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... Talk to the guy... You got a nice chat button right after the game... or before the game end you say "Rm ?"
Thats it
Im against
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Just ask for a re? If you want to prove yourself it doesn't have to be via ladder.
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On August 15 2010 07:09 FabledIntegral wrote:
Just ask for a re? If you want to prove yourself it doesn't have to be via ladder.
Right, but I want the match to actually mean something besides just pride. If I lose to a guy and the challenge him to a rematch via custom gameI he'd still have my points which kinda sucks. Also, I feel like there would be more rematches happening if there as just a simple dialog box after the game is done.
On August 15 2010 07:08 R0YAL wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 07:07 kalleralle wrote:On August 15 2010 07:06 R0YAL wrote:
Dont think this will be implemented b/c it could get exploited for points. How so? If you get a buddy then they could throw the match and then agree for rematch over and over, and they could take turns.
What are the odds of you meeting a buddy smurf account in a ladder game?
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I really don't think arranging a rematch is that hard. That being said, if you do set one up via custom games it isn't ranked, so maybe a request ranked rematch button or something is necessary after all.
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Better yet, perhaps the ladder could be upgraded so that users can have an option do Bo3/Bo5 with the next user they face on the ladder instead of only one game.
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On August 15 2010 07:13 kalleralle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 07:09 FabledIntegral wrote:
Just ask for a re? If you want to prove yourself it doesn't have to be via ladder. Right, but I want the match to actually mean something besides just pride. If I lose to a guy and the challenge him to a rematch via custom gameI he'd still have my points which kinda sucks. Also, I feel like there would be more rematches happening if there as just a simple dialog box after the game is done. Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 07:08 R0YAL wrote:On August 15 2010 07:07 kalleralle wrote:On August 15 2010 07:06 R0YAL wrote:
Dont think this will be implemented b/c it could get exploited for points. How so? If you get a buddy then they could throw the match and then agree for rematch over and over, and they could take turns. What are the odds of you meeting a buddy smurf account in a ladder game?
Doesn't even have to be a friend, you could just talk to the person in game and agree to it.
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On August 15 2010 07:13 kalleralle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 07:09 FabledIntegral wrote:
Just ask for a re? If you want to prove yourself it doesn't have to be via ladder. Right, but I want the match to actually mean something besides just pride. If I lose to a guy and the challenge him to a rematch via custom gameI he'd still have my points which kinda sucks. Also, I feel like there would be more rematches happening if there as just a simple dialog box after the game is done. Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 07:08 R0YAL wrote:On August 15 2010 07:07 kalleralle wrote:On August 15 2010 07:06 R0YAL wrote:
Dont think this will be implemented b/c it could get exploited for points. How so? If you get a buddy then they could throw the match and then agree for rematch over and over, and they could take turns. What are the odds of you meeting a buddy smurf account in a ladder game?
Still against, arranged matchup would always rise. I mean, if I beat a guy and he want to rematch and it count in ladder... why not... if I beat him like ownage... I would never say no... and I would be abusing the system
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On August 15 2010 07:18 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 07:13 kalleralle wrote:On August 15 2010 07:09 FabledIntegral wrote:
Just ask for a re? If you want to prove yourself it doesn't have to be via ladder. Right, but I want the match to actually mean something besides just pride. If I lose to a guy and the challenge him to a rematch via custom gameI he'd still have my points which kinda sucks. Also, I feel like there would be more rematches happening if there as just a simple dialog box after the game is done. On August 15 2010 07:08 R0YAL wrote:On August 15 2010 07:07 kalleralle wrote:On August 15 2010 07:06 R0YAL wrote:
Dont think this will be implemented b/c it could get exploited for points. How so? If you get a buddy then they could throw the match and then agree for rematch over and over, and they could take turns. What are the odds of you meeting a buddy smurf account in a ladder game? Doesn't even have to be a friend, you could just talk to the person in game and agree to it.
Lol who would just start randomly throwing games to a stranger? Also as your ranking diverges the points gained would diminish and utlimately be 0 I suppose.
On August 15 2010 07:22 Yokoblue wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 07:13 kalleralle wrote:On August 15 2010 07:09 FabledIntegral wrote:
Just ask for a re? If you want to prove yourself it doesn't have to be via ladder. Right, but I want the match to actually mean something besides just pride. If I lose to a guy and the challenge him to a rematch via custom gameI he'd still have my points which kinda sucks. Also, I feel like there would be more rematches happening if there as just a simple dialog box after the game is done. On August 15 2010 07:08 R0YAL wrote:On August 15 2010 07:07 kalleralle wrote:On August 15 2010 07:06 R0YAL wrote:
Dont think this will be implemented b/c it could get exploited for points. How so? If you get a buddy then they could throw the match and then agree for rematch over and over, and they could take turns. What are the odds of you meeting a buddy smurf account in a ladder game? Still against, arranged matchup would always rise. I mean, if I beat a guy and he want to rematch and it count in ladder... why not... if I beat him like ownage... I would never say no... and I would be abusing the system
1. See above about diverging rankings
2. Why would some1 keep playing against some they lose to many times?
Also the whole point of the ranking system is to put people with at similiar skill levels together with each other. Don't see how winning vs a worse player who's got the same ranking as you is abuse, it would be working as intended.
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On August 15 2010 07:04 Empyrean wrote:
Why not just end with gg re? when you leave? It's easy to chat your opponent after the game.
Seems pretty useless.
It won't count for points?
On iCCup you re to and both players get the chance to win and get points again; if you ask for a custom game against a guy who's laddering, chances are he won't accept (even if he knows he can beat you).
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On August 15 2010 07:24 kalleralle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 07:18 Empyrean wrote:On August 15 2010 07:13 kalleralle wrote:On August 15 2010 07:09 FabledIntegral wrote:
Just ask for a re? If you want to prove yourself it doesn't have to be via ladder. Right, but I want the match to actually mean something besides just pride. If I lose to a guy and the challenge him to a rematch via custom gameI he'd still have my points which kinda sucks. Also, I feel like there would be more rematches happening if there as just a simple dialog box after the game is done. On August 15 2010 07:08 R0YAL wrote:On August 15 2010 07:07 kalleralle wrote:On August 15 2010 07:06 R0YAL wrote:
Dont think this will be implemented b/c it could get exploited for points. How so? If you get a buddy then they could throw the match and then agree for rematch over and over, and they could take turns. What are the odds of you meeting a buddy smurf account in a ladder game? Doesn't even have to be a friend, you could just talk to the person in game and agree to it. I think his point was that if one player completely dominated the other, but the other player wants a rematch, the winning player would never decline the rematch because it'd be an easier source of points than someone random on the ladder. Lol who would just start randomly throwing games to a stranger? Also as your ranking grows the points gained would diminish and utlimately be 0 I suppose Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 07:22 Yokoblue wrote:On August 15 2010 07:13 kalleralle wrote:On August 15 2010 07:09 FabledIntegral wrote:
Just ask for a re? If you want to prove yourself it doesn't have to be via ladder. Right, but I want the match to actually mean something besides just pride. If I lose to a guy and the challenge him to a rematch via custom gameI he'd still have my points which kinda sucks. Also, I feel like there would be more rematches happening if there as just a simple dialog box after the game is done. On August 15 2010 07:08 R0YAL wrote:On August 15 2010 07:07 kalleralle wrote:On August 15 2010 07:06 R0YAL wrote:
Dont think this will be implemented b/c it could get exploited for points. How so? If you get a buddy then they could throw the match and then agree for rematch over and over, and they could take turns. What are the odds of you meeting a buddy smurf account in a ladder game? Still against, arranged matchup would always rise. I mean, if I beat a guy and he want to rematch and it count in ladder... why not... if I beat him like ownage... I would never say no... and I would be abusing the system 1. See above about diverging rankings 2. Why would some1 keep playing against some they lose to many times? 3. You're beating some1 close to ur own ranking so I don't see the problem? The point of the ranking system is to put people with similiar skill levels together, you're supposed to win against worse player. You're argument is not valid at all.
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On August 15 2010 07:13 kalleralle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 07:09 FabledIntegral wrote:
Just ask for a re? If you want to prove yourself it doesn't have to be via ladder. Right, but I want the match to actually mean something besides just pride. If I lose to a guy and the challenge him to a rematch via custom gameI he'd still have my points which kinda sucks. Also, I feel like there would be more rematches happening if there as just a simple dialog box after the game is done. Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 07:08 R0YAL wrote:On August 15 2010 07:07 kalleralle wrote:On August 15 2010 07:06 R0YAL wrote:
Dont think this will be implemented b/c it could get exploited for points. How so? If you get a buddy then they could throw the match and then agree for rematch over and over, and they could take turns. What are the odds of you meeting a buddy smurf account in a ladder game?
taking it too serious
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Just integrade rematch function and put a cap of like five or ten games on tit, no big deal.
The problem with custom rematches is oftentimes that if someone won he would just decline and keep laddering because he takes points way more seriously than oneself.
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On August 15 2010 07:29 Empyrean wrote:
I think his point was that if one player completely dominated the other, but the other player wants a rematch, the winning player would never decline the rematch because it'd be an easier source of points than someone random on the ladder.
Lol who would just start randomly throwing games to a stranger? Also as your ranking grows the points gained would diminish and utlimately be 0 I suppose
And I'm saying that argument uses faulty logic and is invalid in a formal sense. Also, cap amount of rematches to like 3-4-5.
I'm off to bed now but keep discussing.
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On August 15 2010 07:04 Empyrean wrote:
Why not just end with gg re? when you leave? It's easy to chat your opponent after the game.
Seems pretty useless.
Because I am a semi-casual player and have absolutely zero reason to play someone that isnt contributing to my ladder ranking.
This idea is awesome and I have been pushing it for a while.
To keep it from being abused just only allow 1 rematch, and only after randomly encountering the player in ladder.
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There is absolutely zero chance this will ever be added to the ladder system in such a way that it would give you points during the rematch. Blizzard would not add an ugly mechanic like this that would take away from their matchmaking system.
Only possibility would be for them to add a grudge match option that put you in a non-ladder rematch.
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i'd be ok with a "grudge match" option.... but make it for points... and only allow 1 grudge match per player.
i guess maybe what i'm looking for is more of a practice league... no points... but you can pick which race you want to be matched up against.. so you can work on a particular matchup that you're having trouble with or whatever... also in the practice league a re-match option would be awesome so that if you find someone who is close to your skill lvl you can keep playing each other and helping each other make progress... would also help make the game more social.
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I think it's quite good like it is.
If someone owned me with cheese and he agrees to a rematch, I don't need points, I just want to show him that I'm better than that normally.
Ranked rematches are not needed I think, and if they do implement it, they should have 1 rematch only, with the only possibility of getting back the points you had, so you would be at +/- 0 in the end.
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Yeah it definitely seems like something that wasn't initially implemented due to the possibility of it being exploited. I could see it being added eventually though.
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A rematch option would be very nice indeed, and doesn't seem too hard to add. You can ask for a rematch after the game ends in the bnet interface, and the other play can chose if to accept or not.
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If there were points involved it would be exploited. You say "who would do that", but there are always people that exploit these things. There were always problems with win trading in WoW, and selling arena points, they made some changes to prevent selling arena points I think.
Too bad cause it is a cool concept though. It'd be okay if there weren't points involved, but then if both people want a rematch for practice it seems like it might be just as easy to play a custom game anyway.
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i dont know if they would make the rematch a ladder game do to possible abuse of the stystem, but i think it would be a great feature, i allways wanted to kick some ones ass after i got proxied.
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On August 15 2010 17:46 Nexic wrote:
If there were points involved it would be exploited. You say "who would do that", but there are always people that exploit these things. There were always problems with win trading in WoW, and selling arena points, they made some changes to prevent selling arena points I think.
Too bad cause it is a cool concept though. It'd be okay if there weren't points involved, but then if both people want a rematch for practice it seems like it might be just as easy to play a custom game anyway.
You can't exploit it because the only way to play someone in the ladder is with the AMM, and there are literally milions of players around. It's a rematch option only, not an option for a ladder game against someone of your choice.
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You can explot it. I live in a house of 4 nerds, who all the play starcraft. We have gotten eachother on MULTIPLE occasions Ganondorf. This would lead to exploit.
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On August 15 2010 18:05 Phayze wrote:
You can explot it. I live in a house of 4 nerds, who all the play starcraft. We have gotten eachother on MULTIPLE occasions Ganondorf. This would lead to exploit.
I am sure there are some sort of systems/rules that could defend against this as iccup has. Even still, one player would have to sacrifice a poor record to make you look good. And you cant have multiple accts like iccup has. I would say max of 2 rematches, so a bo3.
Wouldn't mind seeing it.
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I think this is a good idea. I would love to have rematches be as easy as a click of a button and wait for the opponent to accept.
Obviously you have the match trade issue, but if you limit the number of rematches to 3 or 5, I think that will at least somewhat alleviate that issue. 5 it would still be potentially dangerous but I think 3 doesnt seem that dangerous.
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Why not just chat them after the game? there's no need for a rematch function
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On August 15 2010 18:01 Ganondorf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 17:46 Nexic wrote:
If there were points involved it would be exploited. You say "who would do that", but there are always people that exploit these things. There were always problems with win trading in WoW, and selling arena points, they made some changes to prevent selling arena points I think.
Too bad cause it is a cool concept though. It'd be okay if there weren't points involved, but then if both people want a rematch for practice it seems like it might be just as easy to play a custom game anyway. You can't exploit it because the only way to play someone in the ladder is with the AMM, and there are literally milions of players around. It's a rematch option only, not an option for a ladder game against someone of your choice. If you are closely rated to someone and you queue up at the exact same time as them, it's much more likely than you think that you'll be matched up. Obviously it'd be even more effective at high ratings where there are less people, and those people have more motivation to exploit points. I've heard of/seen people do this on streams before to get matched up against the streamer.
That's how people trade wins in WoW as well, and it was AMM. It was pretty reliable to, like you could get matched up all 5 times in a row or whatever.
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yes, so when I beat raging noobs I can have the press a button to spam me for rematches.
Not a fan
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Why do you care about a random cheeser's or thrash talker's opinion about you?
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They should have something like a "bo3" or "bo5" ladder, where you have to play bo3 or bo5 against your opponent but when it's finished it gives 3 or 5 times the points you receive or lose normaly.
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This was proposed in WC3 by someone, there's no way Blizzard would do this. If you are angry enough that you want to rematch someone, just talk to them and set up a custom game. Points don't matter, at most you lose like 14-20 points and gain only around 10 points so I don't see why the rematch would have to be on ladder.
Also I think it would be exploitable. Let's say you get matched up against a friend and he lets you win and then he sends a rematch request, so you two play again and he lets you win again. How many times can these two do that? Would they be able to do it again tomorrow? How about a week from now? What if he has multiple friends or "followers" who are willing to give him free wins so he can climb the ladder?
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An implantation of this without making it exploitable would require multiple extra rules / constricting factors which makes it an unnecessary hassle for something rather pointless anyways.
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It's a bad idea because it could and would be abused. Like just trading wins. I win, you win the next one, etc.
Easy way to milk your bonus points.
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On August 15 2010 20:41 TzTz wrote:
It's a bad idea because it could and would be abused. Like just trading wins. I win, you win the next one, etc.
Easy way to milk your bonus points.
Exactly. People say you don't gain anything but but a draw but the bonus pool increases everyday.
So re-matching would give both players an increase of points if they both trade wins how unlikely it may seem. Thus both players will increase in rating.
This feature COULD be implemented if the bonus pool wasn't implemented but it isn't and I doubt it will get removed.
Just ask for a re-match in custom game.
Basically the OP lost due to some cheese strat he couldn't prevent and wants to re-match for his lost points.
So what.... Even at pro games there are still cheeses. If you're on a high level then you're more likely to play each other again so this implementation would be useless.
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On August 15 2010 07:32 kalleralle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 07:29 Empyrean wrote:
I think his point was that if one player completely dominated the other, but the other player wants a rematch, the winning player would never decline the rematch because it'd be an easier source of points than someone random on the ladder.
Lol who would just start randomly throwing games to a stranger? Also as your ranking grows the points gained would diminish and utlimately be 0 I suppose
And I'm saying that argument uses faulty logic and is invalid in a formal sense. Also, cap amount of rematches to like 3-4-5. I'm off to bed now but keep discussing.
Up because I think it would be really interesting if Blizzard added a rematch function.
it could work on the score window. Like, you see a check box next to 'Rematch' and then you check it. If your opponent leaves that window without checking the box then you get a warning 'X denied a rematch', and if he checks first then you get a 'X is inviting you to a rematch' (the same happens if you check before him).
When both players check then a new game starts. Also they should limit it to BO5 (or even BO3) to avoid ladder abuse. As in: the system would detect if certain player went 3-0 and then the rematch option would no longer be available. If it's 2-1 or 2-2 it would still be possible to play a rematch.
This is really really good and can lead to improvements in one's skills. Please blizzard add a rematch option!
PokerStars [...] did this and it's absolutely great!
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Yeah, set up a custom game.. I don't understand. Rematches are used to either abuse the system or to settle a grudge.
After your game, click their name, then click chat. It's not complicated to set up just takes a couple steps.
I don't really think it has any place in the game.
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On August 15 2010 20:58 shannn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 20:41 TzTz wrote:
It's a bad idea because it could and would be abused. Like just trading wins. I win, you win the next one, etc.
Easy way to milk your bonus points. Exactly. People say you don't gain anything but but a draw but the bonus pool increases everyday. So re-matching would give both players an increase of points if they both trade wins how unlikely it may seem. Thus both players will increase in rating. This feature COULD be implemented if the bonus pool wasn't implemented but it isn't and I doubt it will get removed. Just ask for a re-match in custom game. Basically the OP lost due to some cheese strat he couldn't prevent and wants to re-match for his lost points. So what.... Even at pro games there are still cheeses. If you're on a high level then you're more likely to play each other again so this implementation would be useless.
Because if you play normally the bonus points magically disappear?
You have the same amount of bonus points, no matter what you do and it's not like it requires a hundred games a day to use them up.
This won't give an advantage to any of the players compared to playing normally.
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On August 15 2010 07:17 vlaric wrote:
Better yet, perhaps the ladder could be upgraded so that users can have an option do Bo3/Bo5 with the next user they face on the ladder instead of only one game.
That would be a blast.
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I would say cap rematches to 2, that is, 3 games in total. Thats the least amount games it would take to get a definitive rematch and "settle the score". Any more kinda overheaves the current ladder system. I mean, we already commonly get 2 matches in a row against players, and very rarely, 3. Most of the the time people will decline rematches, with the exception of well-fought games.
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blizzard doesnt want the player the have any control on their ranked opponent because then people can find ways to exploit the system and get points.
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most of my opponents are french or german and never respond to any chat in a ladder match.
might as well talk to AI.
the only chat i've ever seen besides gg at the end of a match was a 'lol' after a guy failed proxy reaper.
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The biggest effect this would have is increase flaming and trash talk. The reason for this is because every time you get your opponent mad enough to press the rematch button against you you have the option to rematch if you think that it is an easy win or to abstain if he probably would beat you. Rewarding flamers is never a good idea imo.
Definitely not in favor of this.
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Meh, I don't see why so many people are against this. Sure, you have the option to set up a custom game and do the rematch like that, but why does this have to be the only way? With the OP's way, it would be a lot quicker to set up and it would be hard to abuse if you put a 2 game cap on it.
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If it was a close game and I only just lost or something I often ask for another game. Likewise if someone was clearly pretty decent I thought they were a good challenge.
As yet only one person has agreed to another game after 100s of games. Most people seem to value quick wins or just more points over fun or close games.
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On August 15 2010 07:08 R0YAL wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 07:07 kalleralle wrote:On August 15 2010 07:06 R0YAL wrote:
Dont think this will be implemented b/c it could get exploited for points. How so? If you get a buddy then they could throw the match and then agree for rematch over and over, and they could take turns.
why would you get points for winning these games? implementing this function with points for the winner would be the most stupid thing i've ever heard of
this could maybe be abused to gain ladder points and would definetly be abused to get wins (for icons)
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do think it is easy to just ask them for a rematch in chat ....but would be so much easier to just hit a rematch button....makes things easier for the loser that doesnt feel like asking the better player for a rematch......oh and if the first match was on ladder....the rematches would NOT be....so that there would not be any sort of boosting
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On August 15 2010 07:04 Empyrean wrote:
Why not just end with gg re? when you leave? It's easy to chat your opponent after the game.
Seems pretty useless.
It would be nice to get your points back though.
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If I am playing on the ladder, I am trying to acquire more points so I can play people of a higher skill level (or play people around my level). Some marginal amount of value is placed on each game (via points). If I am playing a custom game, I am generally doing it to practice with partners or I am some type of tourny.
If I win a ladder game, what is my incentive to allow someone to settle a grudge though a custom game? I am sure the reasons might vary from player to player, but I cant think of any that really influence me on a personal level. If a rematch offered something beyond "ooo I beat this guy again", I can see it happening. Both players have to anti up in a ladder situation.
Can it be abused? Of course it can. Anything can be abused. However, limiting a rematch series to a bo3,5 (something along these lines) reduces the amount of abuse. A single bnet account also is a huge factor. I loved the rematch option on ICCup and people rave how superior it is to bnet2.0. Did the ladder have some abuse? Of course it did. Did it prevent ICCup from being successful? Heck no. Sometimes you have realize what you are complaining about is not that big of a deal.
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I'm definetily pro rematch.
i mean chat channels are going to come some time soon (soon might be a year or so^^), but i don't really think blizzard will implement it.
won't be too long until external ladders will be the place to play. ESL Ladder and EAS being the first (at least in germany) which will imo succeed.
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Its not all about grudge matches guys. Haven't you ever played someone, had a really close game, and decided that you would like to play this person again?
Used to re people all the time on iccup, it was great. And I doubt the abuse would be much of a problem if they put a 2-3 game cap on it.
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after reading the OP i was thinking about how annoying it would be to close that "rematch popup window" by clicking no EVERY time you loose ^_^ great idea ...
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I completely agree with the OP.
It is very annoying to have to spend 5 minutes arranging a rematch simply because you found someone who is equally skilled as you.
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Best of 3 Ladder option? With points awarded or deducted after every match?
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The point of the ladder system is you don't pick who you get to play. Just arrange a custom game if you're so desperate for a rm.
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(ed: regarding OP) No. The ladder system is designed around the idea that you are playing a random opponent. If you want to follow it up with a rematch, fine, but keep it in a custom game. Hopefully Blizzard's chat functionality will encourage such a possibility.
Swallow your pride and admit you lost, and unless he was hacking you were beat fairly, despite whatever standards you may have for "cheap" or "cheese."
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On August 15 2010 06:57 kalleralle wrote:
Why is there no rematch function in SC2? It seems like a pretty basic function to have in an online RTS game released in 2010? I feel like Starcraft is such an anonymous game right now and there is never time for any dynamic between players.
If I lose to some random ridiculous cheese I want to be able to at least have the chance for a rematch, same thing goes if I'm playing a trash talker. Sure you could arrange your own rematches but it's too complicated and requires too much complex interaction so you end up just clicking that find game button and face yet another random anonymous guy.
I feel like this in addition to chat channels and other changes people have suggested could help make the game more social, less anonymous and provide more dynamic interaction between players.
What do you think about my idea, does anyone disagree? Sorry if this has already been suggested and sorry about my English.
Why is there no function X in SC2? X seems like a straightforward and useful thing to have in a game released 2010?
Sure you could instead of X do Y but that is complicated so you dont do Y.
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I think what you're saying has some validity, but I think logistically it's a mess.
I would like to have some auto rematches for games where I tie or get cheesed, but does my opponent? And I could venture a guess that most people who cheese non-stop (or a lot) wants to go again because he knows you know, taking away the surprise in his tactics.
Does the re-match feature FORCE the other person to do it? If so, how many times? And if not, what's the point of the button?
Just a lot of things to consider.
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On September 27 2010 08:57 MusiK wrote:
I think what you're saying has some validity, but I think logistically it's a mess.
I would like to have some auto rematches for games where I tie or get cheesed, but does my opponent? And I could venture a guess that most people who cheese non-stop (or a lot) wants to go again because he knows you know, taking away the surprise in his tactics.
Does the re-match feature FORCE the other person to do it? If so, how many times? And if not, what's the point of the button?
Just a lot of things to consider.
Of course it doesn't.
Believe it or not, some people like rematching. If we play a close game and you edge me out at the end, I might ask for a re. You'd likely say yes.
Happened all the time on iccup.
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On August 15 2010 07:04 Empyrean wrote:
Why not just end with gg re? when you leave? It's easy to chat your opponent after the game.
Seems pretty useless.
Why not make it interesting double or nothing points?
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way to easy to abuse.
its so easy to organise ur own anyway, this is a pointless function.
you shouldn't be allowed to rematch for points.
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Horrible idea, this would be way too easily abused. I can already picture people trying to smart talk their way for some free points.
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Wow, that's a great idea!
Like, after you concede, it gives you the option to ask for a rematch, and if you both click it, it'll rematch you. That'd be awesome.
/signed.
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I don't think rematch in ladder games is a good idea, but I would like to see rematch added to custom games. I am SO TIRED of having to re-setup my custom games from scratch when I'm using a custom to work on a build...
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On August 15 2010 07:06 kalleralle wrote:
It's probably a lot harder to implement than it would seem but it really should be in place for a high profile game like Starcraft 2. To put thing into perspective Starcraft 1 was one of the first games to popularize actually having different races with different units and mechanics before that different races in games were pretty much the same but with different graphics and names on the units.
I doubt it would be hard to implement at all. Blizzard is renowned for their tireless iteration of every single aspect of their games. I'm sure that programming a re-match button which sets up a match between two specific players is trivial.
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On August 15 2010 06:57 kalleralle wrote:
Sure you could arrange your own rematches but it's too complicated and requires too much complex interaction so you end up just clicking that find game button and face yet another random anonymous guy.
I too have found that clicking on their name after a match and then clicking chat is far too complicated and requires too much complex interaction.
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To avoid trading wins, you could just have it turn the game into a BO3 for twice the points, but zero decline in points that way there is no way to in trade, and people who win won't be like "screw that..."
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I would also LOVE to have this rematch option.
It adds a grudge component and, thus, more emotions into the whole system. Everything is so anonymous anyways.
Right now, you lose to some stupid shit and don't even have a chance to try it again.
Plus: Many players always opt for the same all-in build which you could easily dismantle in the second game. This would also help them to see that they have to adapt.
To people saying just ask for a rematch: try it yourself. In most cases they won't even answer as they don't want to play without points.
And even if they are willing, most of the time they already started the next game due to AMM.
Abusing: Just make it BO3 (as someone proposed already)
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On September 27 2010 08:59 numLoCK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2010 08:57 MusiK wrote:
I think what you're saying has some validity, but I think logistically it's a mess.
I would like to have some auto rematches for games where I tie or get cheesed, but does my opponent? And I could venture a guess that most people who cheese non-stop (or a lot) wants to go again because he knows you know, taking away the surprise in his tactics.
Does the re-match feature FORCE the other person to do it? If so, how many times? And if not, what's the point of the button?
Just a lot of things to consider. Of course it doesn't. Believe it or not, some people like rematching. If we play a close game and you edge me out at the end, I might ask for a re. You'd likely say yes. Happened all the time on iccup.
OR if I get raped by some B- or higher player working his way up the ranks, of course I'm going to ask for a re, simply to have them point out more flaws in my gameplay (as a C- player). And to them, they simply get more points. Win/win.
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It probably wouldn't be difficult for Blizzard to implement a rematch function that sets up a custom game lobby with the players from the previous game. But really, how much of a problem is it to do the job yourself?
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It's about a guy who can't make new memories, looking for the guy who raped and killed his wife!
Really good movie - you see the movie from end to start  . Interesting story telling!
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they should definitely implement memento into bnet
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On September 27 2010 08:14 numLoCK wrote:
Its not all about grudge matches guys. Haven't you ever played someone, had a really close game, and decided that you would like to play this person again?
Used to re people all the time on iccup, it was great. And I doubt the abuse would be much of a problem if they put a 2-3 game cap on it.
it's called sending them a private message and then setting up a custom game. And for people who says its not easily exploitable, if you play at non-peak hours, sometimes you'll manage to "random" the same guy 3x in a row on ladder. It's not impossible for people to exploit the rematch option by queuing up at the same time at like 4am in the morning.
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It would be nice to have, but it opens up the possibility of abuse.
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Put a limit on the number of rematches then, or give diminishing returns for rematches against the same person. Having the option for ONE rematch wouldn't be a problem
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