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koOma
Norway462 Posts
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LeDuck
Germany152 Posts
On August 06 2010 22:57 Zoltan wrote: to the OP- Isn't a week after release a bit early to be callin the game a flop? You honestly believe any of the guys, who bitch about Starcraft 2 care about facts? They want the game to fail, because they had some expectations that weren't fulfilled or some stuff like that. To be honest, I laugh everytime I read that broodwar is superior and there's no discussion to it. It's not only outdated, but a nightmare for every casual gamer and beginners. The game is far away from being a failure, it's going to become the most sucessful strategy game and unless there is a huge change in popularity, we shouldn't care that much about Korea at the moment. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On August 06 2010 23:08 koOma wrote: Korea is the only place where big money will be put up regularily. So yeah, Korea is pretty important for SC2. I dunno about that, but Korea definitely does represent huge opportunities for tournaments and coverage. I don't know why anyone would not care about Korea's reception to the game | ||
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RaZzy
Netherlands36 Posts
On August 06 2010 23:12 floor exercise wrote: I dunno about that, but Korea definitely does represent huge opportunities for tournaments and coverage. I don't know why anyone would not care about Korea's reception to the game Still why would a whole country change in a day or a month. Compare it to soccer.. the sport.. somebody invents soccer 2 which is superior somehow. Would every player / tv station / fan switch in a few days? If you think comparing those two sports is a way off. Compare it to other computer games that are played professionally. I think Starcraft 2 is the future of Esports in Korea. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
On August 06 2010 23:23 RaZzy wrote: Still why would a whole country change in a day or a month. Compare it to soccer.. the sport.. somebody invents soccer 2 which is superior somehow. Would every player / tv station / fan switch in a few days? If you think comparing those two sports is a way off. Compare it to other computer games that are played professionally. I think Starcraft 2 is the future of Esports in Korea. not too sure about that. the reality is, there are tons of games available in Korea and elsewhere. the market share held by each game is very tiny. the gaming industry is also well known for quick ups n downs. who would have predicted Infinity Ward's demise after such a huge success? i think Blizz's approach to esport is too inflexible for SC2, so its success in esport will be questionable. | ||
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Opinion
United States236 Posts
Oh... Same conversation, same talking points, same complaints, same praise, same points and counter points... Sweet, which side would you like me to take? I think by now i have everything memorized and it's just a matter of regurgitating what has already been said a thousand times. | ||
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QueueQueue
Canada1000 Posts
I could be wrong, but doesn't the GSL first prize surpass, or at least compare to the highest payout of any SC1 tourny? When it comes to advertising, popularity, and bringing in the foreign community into Korea; large sums of money is very is important. I do love BW; and I would be very sad to see it disappear, but if more and more money is being thrown at the SC2 scene, it doesn't take great insight to see that this is where players and teams will be going. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13074 Posts
After the "rumors" that SC2 is not doing so well in Korea its logical for blizzard to invest 500k $$ per year in big tournaments so that their game will start selling. Imagine if they repeat their inital 6m sells with SC2 too and with 2 more expansion coming thats lets say ~20m copies x 60$ = 1.2 BILLION $ in the next 4 years .Blizzard needs to "make SC2 E-SPORT grow " for the next 3-4 years investing ~1m $ per year for like 5 years which is nothing for them. Just by selling they will make huge profits only in Korea . The rest of the world is not really important compared to Korea. | ||
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Kim_Hyun_Han
706 Posts
On August 06 2010 23:11 LeDuck wrote: To be honest, I laugh everytime I read that broodwar is superior and there's no discussion to it. It's not only outdated, but a nightmare for every casual gamer and beginners. Why is the truth funny? | ||
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
A 500k tournament doesn't bring Tv stations money its not even broadcasted in tv. Tv stations need viewers or it's not profitable. It's good for the players but if people don't watch no TV station will pick it up no matter how high the prize pool is.Tv station need viewers to make money from ads. So yea Blizzard work on this fukcing unit clumping. Sc2 is the most boring game to watch, i even enjoy wc3 more. On August 06 2010 23:57 Opinion wrote: Hey guys what's going on in this thread? Oh... Same conversation, same talking points, same complaints, same praise, same points and counter points... Sweet, which side would you like me to take? I think by now i have everything memorized and it's just a matter of regurgitating what has already been said a thousand times. you forgot the same useless posts like yours | ||
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Dr.Smoke
United States64 Posts
On August 07 2010 01:55 wiesel wrote: Hm there's no need for discussing why broodwar is superior, everyone knows it. Remember vinyl? It still provides superior audio quality compared to today's tech... or so a hardcore audiophile will tell you. The rest of us will never know because I'll be dammed if anyone cares to own a record player anymore. (other than that 0.01%) Sorry BW people, but you are those vinyl fans, you try to debate the superiority of your product, but no one is listening anymore. We have 10,000 songs in our pockets and a shinny new sc2 to play, we have no need for dusty tech. Technology moves forward without you, whether you like it or not. Learn to adapt, or dig out your old Atari, the rest of us will be playing sc2 | ||
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
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don_kyuhote
3007 Posts
On August 07 2010 02:07 Dr.Smoke wrote: Remember vinyl? It still provides superior audio quality compared to today's tech... or so a hardcore audiophile will tell you. The rest of us will never know because I'll be dammed if anyone cares to own a record player anymore. (other than that 0.01%) Sorry BW people, but you are those vinyl fans, you try to debate the superiority of your product, but no one is listening anymore. We have 10,000 songs in our pockets and a shinny new sc2 to play, we have no need for dusty tech. Technology moves forward without you, whether you like it or not. Learn to adapt, or dig out your old Atari, the rest of us will be playing sc2 Better technology doesn't automatically make it better. Remember soccer players complaining about Jabulani? Remember NBA players complaining about synthetic ball? | ||
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Dr.Smoke
United States64 Posts
Those are still physical sports though, its easier for them to resist change. When it comes to things like technology new is what matters most. Might I remind you that e-sports are a young mans game even more than those other types, and kids today don't want to play a blocky old game at 800 x600. Let alone continue to find ways to run old games on new OSs. Hell, I'm old, and I don't want to play old games anymore. ------ As for Korea, so what? They were going to take the longest to adapt, that was no secret. But by this time next year they will all be playing sc2 too. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
based on stats, maple story is where the korean spending their time. also, despite home ownership of PC in Korea is one of the highest in the world, many SK youth go to PC bang like ppl go to the bar in North America. Blizz pissed off a lot of the PC bang owners and make it much less likely it will be played there, greatly diminishing the fan base. blizz's harsh policy on tournaments make sponsorship very difficult too. | ||
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
On August 07 2010 02:21 Dr.Smoke wrote: Might I remind you that e-sports are a young mans game even more than those other types, and kids today don't want to play a blocky old game at 800 x600. Let alone continue to find ways to run old games on new OSs. Hell, I'm old, and I don't want to play old games anymore. Ever played cs1.6? Not saying your totally wrong but not everyone cares about graphic. Your in the US who don't have e-sport besides cs. Not counting this halo and console crap. But yea people love to play it in 640 or 800 resolution. | ||
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Cofo
United States1388 Posts
and there's no discussion to it Because you just proved his point? | ||
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bobcat
United States488 Posts
On August 04 2010 13:43 junkacc wrote: Game industry experts commented that the first weekend after release usually decides whether a game will be successful or not. Lol who are these game industry "experts" that are commenting without citation. | ||
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Mellotron
United States329 Posts
On August 07 2010 02:07 Dr.Smoke wrote: Remember vinyl? It still provides superior audio quality compared to today's tech... or so a hardcore audiophile will tell you. The rest of us will never know because I'll be dammed if anyone cares to own a record player anymore. (other than that 0.01%) Sorry BW people, but you are those vinyl fans, you try to debate the superiority of your product, but no one is listening anymore. We have 10,000 songs in our pockets and a shinny new sc2 to play, we have no need for dusty tech. Technology moves forward without you, whether you like it or not. Learn to adapt, or dig out your old Atari, the rest of us will be playing sc2 Oh i just gotta take the bait on this BS post. Vinyl is 100 percent undeniably superior in audio quality, there is no debate. By the way, vinyl sales are growing year after year, because there is something about the sound and format that is unique and vibrant. People who seek that experience can only get it from vinyl. The fact that mp3s are more portable doesnt take away from the experience of listening to a clean record on a decent hi-fi. Only a child would try to argue that logic. Does McDonalds make a better hamburger than one you make at your house on your own grill? Of course not. But how many burgers do you sell from your house vs McDonalds sales? Do those numbers change the taste of one vs another? Bringing it back to Broodwar, let me start by saying i have no opinion over which game is better, nor do i care which game is better. Thats an argument for wasting your life to. But i think it needs to be said that, like vinyl, Broodwar is a unique experience that it extremely valued by people who know what it is and have a personal connection to it. The people who dont give a shit about vinyl are all these teenagers who cant tell a decent tune from friggin Miley Cyrus. They have no reason to mourn the loss of vinyl, because they never knew what it was worth. Same thing for BW. Whether it is better or not should not ever be decided by people who have no connection with the original game. People who didnt play it, or tried it and failed because its hard as hell have nearly no say on what the quality of the game is. When those people say SC2 is better, they really just mean SC2 is better FOR THEM. But, if you look at the reasoning behind why that person prefers one over the other they really arent reasons worth noting when comparing the actual gameplay and longevity and depth that people are seeking in an RTS that is supposedly going to follow up BW. The point is, it doesnt surprise me that people who never "got" BW are the first in line to shove it into its grave. Which is fine. We cant all have the same taste or connection to things. But i feel like its an incredibly juvenile and uninformed opinion that states that anything new is better because technology is always moving forward. Dont be fools. Tons of things that come out are consistently inferior. But they are faster and more convenient. Companies sell the public convenience, not always a better product or a higher quality experience. CDs were marketed as being easier and more clear and faster because you can skip around tracks. And they were. But they were also digital pieces of shit compared to even cassette tapes. I think it would surprise most people to realize that cassettes are higher fi than cds. And yet, cds were more convenient and allowed the public to be more lazy and get what they want in a hurry. But it was in fact an inferior listening experience sonically. But they made you think it was better, because it was "newer technology". Sorry for being somewhat off topic. But i fear a world where everyone just sits there with their mouth open consuming any product that comes down the line without stopping to think if its better, or even necessary to discard the old ones. Im not friggin 15, i care about quality not quantity. 12000 shit songs on an ipod really isnt worth a couple decent albums on vinyl played over a tube hi-fi. But, to each his own. Back on topic again, give Korea some time. They have plenty of reasons to go into SC2 slowly. I commend them for being observant and waiting to see how it goes beofre jumping in and make believing something that might not be true. I think they are smart for not switching instantly just because its a new game. That being said i do love SC2 and think it will do fine eventually. One last thing, in this post i quoted, he said "learn to adapt". What a bizarre brilliant corner companies have painted the public into where anyone not buying new products rabidly all the time is considered "out of date" and that they "cant adapt". That kind of social pressure and identity based consumerism is exactly what companies want. Eyes closed, mouth open. | ||
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