EPTStarcraft 2 a failure in PCBangs - Page 27
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HunterGatherer
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Aerox
Malaysia1213 Posts
Still, I had hoped it would exceed Brood War's level of success but I do not see it possible right now. ActiBlizz did it to themselves. They put all those things we don't like exceeding and cancelling out the things that we like or would have liked. | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
"vinyl is 100 percent undeniably superior in audio quality, there is no debate" No debate, huh? Show me just one of those wannabe-audiophiles who can tell vinyl from a properly mastered CD in at least 80% of cases in a double-blind test and I will eat my socks. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
Thank you for that post <3. Just to clarify, I don't hate Starcraft 2. While I think it is an inferior game to BW in a lot of objective standards, especially those pertaining to depth and competition, it is also a very well designed game on its own right, and more importantly, represents a chance for esports to grow internationally, while the BW scene could only stagnate. In the end its a Hobsons choice. A choice between something or nothing. And I have no delusions that Starcraft 2 could have been as good as Starcraft 1, it would have gotten a 6.0 metacritic score and the masses would hate it. | ||
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Mellotron
United States329 Posts
On August 07 2010 02:56 Random() wrote: @Mellotron "vinyl is 100 percent undeniably superior in audio quality, there is no debate" No debate, huh? Show me just one of those wannabe-audiophiles who can tell vinyl from a properly mastered CD in at least 80% of cases in a double-blind test and I will eat my socks. There is no debate. You are completely uninformed on this subject matter and about to embarrass yourself. The proof is in the fact that you think mastering somehow increases the available 1s and 0s. Lets not take this too far off topic. You are wrong. Use the internet to your advantage my friend. Many articles have been written and audio tests have been done that prove and reprove this to be a fact. Vinyl is a physical entity. 1s and 0s have gaps in between the 1s and 0s. You arent hearing all of the audio when you listen to a digital recording. You are hearing an approximation. This is not opinion this is fact, and quite commonly known in the audio world. Until bit rates go way way way up, digital will be baby talk compared to the literary genius of a vinyl record. And even then, it will still be 1s and 0s with tiny little stair-step gaps in between them. | ||
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Ndugu
United States1078 Posts
On August 07 2010 03:04 Mellotron wrote: There is no debate. You are completely uninformed on this subject matter and about to embarrass yourself. The proof is in the fact that you think mastering somehow increases the available 1s and 0s. Lets not take this too far off topic. You are wrong. Use the internet to your advantage my friend. Many articles have been written and audio tests have been done that prove and reprove this to be a fact. Vinyl is a physical entity. 1s and 0s have gaps in between the 1s and 0s. You arent hearing all of the audio when you listen to a digital recording. You are hearing an approximation. This is not opinion this is fact, and quite commonly known in the audio world. Until bit rates go way way way up, digital will be baby talk compared to the literary genius of a vinyl record. And even then, it will still be 1s and 0s with tiny little stair-step gaps in between them. Some people prefer things that are harder, older, less accessible, and less enjoyable for most. Vinyl and Brood War will continue to exist for you guys. What I don't get is why anyone expects SC II to be making money in Korea as long as its still free. This shouldn't even be a conversation until the game STOPS BEING FREE. rofl. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
Some people prefer things that are harder, older, less accessible, and less enjoyable for most. Vinyl and Brood War is for you guys. Yes some people prefer quality to convenience. What I don't get is why anyone expects SC II to be making money in Korea as long as its still free. This shouldn't even be a conversation until the game STOPS BEING FREE. rofl. Being free or not has nothing to do with how often it is played in PC-bangs, the subject of the OP. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9016 Posts
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
On August 07 2010 03:13 LuckyFool wrote: Bet it'll pick up with GSL hopefuls massing. SO much prize money for that can't be ignored. I think korea will still pick up sc2 it'll just take them longer than the rest of the world. Maybe because they're so fkin good at sc1, why leave. SC2 isnt being picked up as esport anywhere else in the world yet. also, while GOM has plan to hold tournaments, there is no plan to develop esport beyond that. simply put, it is currently not viable to play SC2 for a living and GOM is not going to change that without further investment. | ||
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sidr
United States55 Posts
On August 07 2010 03:04 Mellotron wrote: You are hearing an approximation. This is not opinion this is fact, and quite commonly known in the audio world. Until bit rates go way way way up, digital will be baby talk compared to the literary genius of a vinyl record. And even then, it will still be 1s and 0s with tiny little stair-step gaps in between them. Saying that something is inferior just because it is made of "little stair-step gaps" seems bogus to me; an approximation of something in discrete steps can be very good, just look at movies and television for instance. Also, one theory is that time itself is discrete, in which case everything is just a collection of rigid "1's and 0's" one after the other. What really matters is how quickly the mind processes something like sound, and if we can make those steps close enough together. | ||
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iokke
United States1179 Posts
On August 07 2010 02:56 Random() wrote: @Mellotron "vinyl is 100 percent undeniably superior in audio quality, there is no debate" No debate, huh? Show me just one of those wannabe-audiophiles who can tell vinyl from a properly mastered CD in at least 80% of cases in a double-blind test and I will eat my socks. Coming from a DJ, I can tell you the same: vinyl > digital media due to analog sound quality. This is also a general consensus among DJs from what I know. And this is also one of the reasons why people still spin vinyl despite the conveniences of digital media | ||
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Mellotron
United States329 Posts
On August 07 2010 03:10 Ndugu wrote: Some people prefer things that are harder, older, less accessible, and less enjoyable for most. Vinyl and Brood War will continue to exist for you guys. What I don't get is why anyone expects SC II to be making money in Korea as long as its still free. This shouldn't even be a conversation until the game STOPS BEING FREE. rofl. Yeah but, people dont choose vinyl and BW because its older and harder. Its just a coincidence. Not one person here who prefers BW chose that because its "older". Its the content they value. Same for records. By the way, i dont know how much "less enjoyable" vinyl is. Its way bassier than cds. CDs cant go as low as vinyl can. Electronica and hip hop will always sound better played on vinyl. Orchestral recordings will always sound better on vinyl as well, because vinyl also goes sonically higher than a cd can. People choose vinyl for those reasons, not for exclusivity as you seem to claim. Exclusivity is always cited when the person debating feels unincluded in what they are arguing against. But its not that that keeps people coming back to BW, its the actual content. | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
On August 07 2010 03:10 Ndugu wrote: Some people prefer things that are harder, older, less accessible, and less enjoyable for most. Vinyl and Brood War will continue to exist for you guys. Haha BW, soon-to-be pass-time of hipsters. | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On August 07 2010 03:04 Mellotron wrote: There is no debate. You are completely uninformed on this subject matter and about to embarrass yourself. The proof is in the fact that you think mastering somehow increases the available 1s and 0s. Lets not take this too far off topic. You are wrong. Use the internet to your advantage my friend. Many articles have been written and audio tests have been done that prove and reprove this to be a fact. Vinyl is a physical entity. 1s and 0s have gaps in between the 1s and 0s. You arent hearing all of the audio when you listen to a digital recording. You are hearing an approximation. This is not opinion this is fact, and quite commonly known in the audio world. Until bit rates go way way way up, digital will be baby talk compared to the literary genius of a vinyl record. And even then, it will still be 1s and 0s with tiny little stair-step gaps in between them. *Sigh* This attitude of "my opinion is a fact" is exactly the problem of many old school BW guys. Or is it just the fear of the new? Could you just stop and think for a second that neither vinyl nor digital recordings are and never will be the perfect reproductions of the original waveform, and that there is a limit to the fidelity of human perception that makes a good enough approximation indistinguishable from the original? Can you imagine that your opinion is not the only existing one, and that there are many people who know exactly what BW is and why it is so good can still appreciate SC2? | ||
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oxxo
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
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Melancholia
United States717 Posts
On August 07 2010 03:04 Mellotron wrote: There is no debate. You are completely uninformed on this subject matter and about to embarrass yourself. The proof is in the fact that you think mastering somehow increases the available 1s and 0s. Lets not take this too far off topic. You are wrong. Use the internet to your advantage my friend. Many articles have been written and audio tests have been done that prove and reprove this to be a fact. Vinyl is a physical entity. 1s and 0s have gaps in between the 1s and 0s. You arent hearing all of the audio when you listen to a digital recording. You are hearing an approximation. This is not opinion this is fact, and quite commonly known in the audio world. Until bit rates go way way way up, digital will be baby talk compared to the literary genius of a vinyl record. And even then, it will still be 1s and 0s with tiny little stair-step gaps in between them. You're right, Google is our friend. And it's telling me that you're a delusional, superior jackass who's refusing to recognize that scratches in tar have their own weaknesses (such as the possible groove depth). Unless you are at a concert EVERYTHING is an approximation. The limitations of that approximation just differ. | ||
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Seltsam
United States343 Posts
But I like Earl Grey more so obviously Earl Grey is objectively worse for everyone ever  FACT: Earl Grey has been around longer. FACT: Earl Grey tastes better FACT: Pineapples are delicious FACT: 1% of every made-up statistic is actually accurate. FACT: white shirts look better than blue ones FACT: Green is the best color. So obviously Starcraft 2 will be a massive failure. I like tea. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On August 07 2010 03:22 oxxo wrote: Some people just don't want SC2 to succeed and will keep calling it a 'failure' regardless of the truth. Some people are just fucking blind due to fanboyism. Starcraft 2 IS a failure in PC bangs as of this moment. This isn't up for debate. It is an fact. For the record.. BW runs like shit on Windows 7. Colours are screwy, the game freezes and spazzes all over the place. Computer's aren't getting older. So are people really going to sit and uninstall their shiny new OS for an unsupported old one full of security holes and a lack of features to play 1 game. ATM this isn't an issue. 2-3 years down the line it will be, when most people will have replaced their old comp due to hardware failure, lack of features, or boredom and wanting the ability to do new things. Right. I'm not against SC2, and if Esports want to thrive, it has to adapt, and people have to make sacrifices. Those statements have nothing to do with the actual quality of SC1 as a game though. So obviously Starcraft 2 will be a massive failure. Who the hell is saying this? If people are, please disassociate them in your mind from people who like BW more then SC2. But I like Earl Grey more so obviously Earl Grey is objectively worse for everyone ever Objectively worse game? That doesn't exist. People look for different qualities in games. However, I can conclusively prove that BW is objectively more "deep" and provides more avenues for skill development then SC2, and aside from graphics, has a better dynamic for viewers as of this moment. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On August 07 2010 03:41 Seltsam wrote: Did you hear? They're coming out with a new kind of tea. It's called Earl Greyer. But I like Earl Grey more so obviously Earl Grey is objectively worse for everyone ever FACT: Earl Grey has been around longer. FACT: Earl Grey tastes better FACT: Pineapples are delicious FACT: 1% of every made-up statistic is actually accurate. FACT: white shirts look better than blue ones FACT: Green is the best color. So obviously Starcraft 2 will be a massive failure. I like tea. FACT: Im having "English Breakfast" right now. On a more serious note, from my perspective I think that Blizzard attempted to captilize on a cultural phenomenon which is all well and good. However what they miss calculated was the grassroots nature of esports. They did not listen to the fans as well as they should have and they did not play as nice with the community as they could have. Im not going to go say whos right in things like the kespa vs Blizzard scandal etc... but the one thing thats evident to me is that Starcraft 2's performance is worse because of this tension. | ||
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