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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
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Kantutan
Canada1319 Posts
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DennizR
Sweden653 Posts
On August 04 2010 03:26 Jyxz wrote: ... and to be honest I hate the argument that they have to learn 9 match ups... because it seems like playing longer giving you an advantage is too MMO style for me. I think everyone should start the game the exact same and thats what makes a good RTS. It is a perfectly valid argument; I cannot think of a game that would NOT give you an advantage by playing it more, it's hardly restricted to MMO's. Do you believe that koreans are good at BW because of their genes or because of the insane amount of time they put into it? Perhaps Rock-Paper-Scissors is closer to what you are looking for in a game >_> | ||
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Lighioana
Norway466 Posts
so, I think the disadvantage is on the random players. | ||
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TrueIsAwesome
Finland160 Posts
On August 04 2010 20:54 Lighioana wrote: I tried random and the second biggest disadvantage I had was that I got scouted more and earlier. Haha, my thoughts exactly. I can't cheese when everyone scouts me at 7 :D | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
 On August 04 2010 20:54 Lighioana wrote: I tried random and the second biggest disadvantage I had was that I got scouted more and earlier. Second is that you don't get as good with all of the races as you get sticking with one. so, I think the disadvantage is on the random players. To be honest this is one of the advantages of playing random. Your opponent may either choose to stay in the dark or take a short economic hit by sending an earlier scout. If they 7 scout then they are completely wasting their time. There's very little that can be done that early, and a lot of random players don't cheese (besides the one big all-in play for Random is 6-8 pool). | ||
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On August 04 2010 20:27 Kantutan wrote: It's hilarious how many people are saying random is unfair or gives an 'insane advantage'. Try being able to play all 3 races at a high level then come back and say the opponent of a random player is at a disadvantage. If you're up against a random player, send an earlier scout or use a build order that will work against all races. Not hard. its the "grass always sooo greeen" attitude of the newguys. same reason why you see so much balance tears evrywhere even on TL now. evryone thinks their race/opinion/expirience is the one and only and evrything else is easy cheap and unfair. that people finally cry about random is just the final proof how incredibly biased/stupid many people are today. | ||
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JHancho
United States166 Posts
I play random, and I'm flirting with diamond at the moment. I don't announce my race, I wait for their scout, kill it as fast as I can, send mine, then put tech (unless I'm toss... that cyber goes down ASAP) I don't go all in, nor cheese (usually :D ) and I just enjoying getting a feel for all the races anyway. Although in my experience, random really isn't random... it seems quite streaky. 4 random tosses in a row, then 3 zergs, then 2 terrans... Mostly mirror matchups or vs terran. Big bummer. | ||
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Capook
United States122 Posts
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bakedace
United States672 Posts
I've been playing random in sc1 for about 10 years, and seeing as I'm no progamer, it doesn't even matter. | ||
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Befree
695 Posts
The huge advantage I get as random that basically automatically wins my games is helpful as well, though. | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
so i dont have any problem with random only that i wallin if hes random... i think random is a good way to find the race thats fits you and also you undertand your enemy bedder... | ||
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Jyxz
United States117 Posts
And I don't care if people random I used to random in the beta, and I dont ask peoples race at the start. However if I do random, which I often do for 2's or 3's to learn the other races, I most certainly say my race at the start. And it does make sense that I would beat every random I play because they are higher ranked then they should be because of their inherent advantage. Vs. random I tend to play creativily and they are often unable to deal with it, because they never have to face real Build Orders because they are random. | ||
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Bob300
United States505 Posts
Any good player will play standard and scout. By the time they need to adapt they already have scouted out the random players whole base. | ||
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.chraej
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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Snowfield
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
On August 04 2010 20:27 Kantutan wrote: It's hilarious how many people are saying random is unfair or gives an 'insane advantage'. Try being able to play all 3 races at a high level then come back and say the opponent of a random player is at a disadvantage. If you're up against a random player, send an earlier scout or use a build order that will work against all races. Not hard. Any top diamond player could be a top diamond player with any race. Just because YOU can't doesn't mean it's difficult. The game is not as complex as you make it, if I recall back when Protoss was actually good, DeMuslim and some other player took turns playing PvT in a BO5 and won their games as Toss. It's impossible to have Idra level macro if Zerg isn't your main, but it's not hard to be extremely competent. This is not Brood War. And you said it yourself, SCOUT earlier and use a build order that works against all races. You can't even comprehend how far that sets you behind doing that, you've already given random players a massive advantage by doing that. Another obvious advantage/disadvantage is you never will almost never be a victim of early cheese. I consider this a disadvantage because most ladder players trying to do cheese is free wins, at top level play it's a huge advantage. | ||
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