EPTThe majority of my games my opponent uses a standard build order. Seriously, you don't know WTF you're talking about.
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tubs
764 Posts
The majority of my games my opponent uses a standard build order. Seriously, you don't know WTF you're talking about. | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
On August 04 2010 04:08 ReketSomething wrote: I play random and I always announce my race (except maybe if I am in a bad mood and it is ZvZ on a close position 2 player map) I play random to get to know all the races and I have weak mental strength so playing random adds to the variety and possibly makes me play longer. Now if I was your opponent, why would I believe you when you announce your race? I have had random players lie to me many times so I NEVER EVER believe what my opponent will say. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
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FC.Strike
United States621 Posts
On August 04 2010 04:11 holy_war wrote: Now if I was your opponent, why would I believe you when you announce your race? I have had random players lie to me many times so I NEVER EVER believe what my opponent will say. Wow, I've never actually had a random player lie to me about their race. Then again, I've only had like one or two people actually announce their race. Which is fine, because I don't expect them to. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Of course random players have a huge disadvantage for playing more races. The minor scouting window just means a very slight possible disadvantage for you early. (Not very relevant at the diamond ladder level IMO) Saying that you never lost reinforces this. I personally tell race when I random but whatever. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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carwashguy
United States175 Posts
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RAUS
210 Posts
nonetheless, people play to win. "Random" is not an unfair advantage, because nothing prevents you from picking random. if it were really so imbalanced, you should pick it up too. | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
If you want that, maybe 100m sprint would be a better game for you. | ||
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Kantom
United Kingdom27 Posts
On August 04 2010 04:16 carwashguy wrote: How many professional players use random? Do leagues allow it? I think this isn't done just because if you want to be the best of the best you're better off spending all your practice time on one race rather than all 3. | ||
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BeefAvenger
Canada54 Posts
On August 04 2010 04:02 jamesr12 wrote: As for announcing your race, personally I think its more BM for you to ask, then it is for me not to tell you. If people ask my response is random or R. I personally go with " Zergatossan " | ||
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KumquatExpress
United States344 Posts
On August 04 2010 04:13 FC.Strike wrote: Wow, I've never actually had a random player lie to me about their race. Then again, I've only had like one or two people actually announce their race. Which is fine, because I don't expect them to. Every time I've played a random player (which is kind of a small sample size ~5), they cheese me. It's not even a well thought out cheese, it's just like "build pool/barracks/gateway as quickly as possible." I'm fine with random players otherwise. I'd just like to know ahead of time what type of cheese I should expect =/ Also, I've had people lie to me about their race after going random on ICCUP. Like the zerg who said he was terran and then went 4 pool against gate first and lost. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 04 2010 03:26 Jyxz wrote: I know this has been discussed tons of times but now SC2 is out I'd like to look at it again. Let me first say I am not sure if it is coincidence or not but I have never lost to an opponent who has randomed since SC2 release, they seem to be very weak players unable to deal with any creativity. I assume they are in diamond league because of the insane advantage that going random gives you, however they have no real practice playing Starcraft 2. I mean because when my opponent randoms he doesn't get the privilege of playing vs a real build, all of my openings become distinct within 30 seconds of the game so I have no way to scout him in time to adjust. So I simply have a 4th opening to deal with random, which however does not only a disservice to me, but really to my opposition also. I would like to hear other diamond league players thoughts on if it is rude to random and not say your race or if they are doing themselves such disservice that we should let them be. Or am I completely in the wrong is random somehow justified... and to be honest I hate the argument that they have to learn 9 match ups... because it seems like playing longer giving you an advantage is too MMO style for me. I think everyone should start the game the exact same and thats what makes a good RTS. This a garbage OP. I really don't get the point of making this thread when you say you have beat every random player you faced yet it seems like you are fuming at how rude it is to play random. Sounds like the only peeve you have with them is the fact they won't necessarily tell you which race they got. I'm sorry but it isn't their job to tell you. That's why we call it scouting. All of your openings become distinct within 30 seconds of the game? lmao. Any good player will tell you it would be wise to do safe builds that will allow you to adapt to different scenarios quickly. It is a fundamental trait of a good player. My recommendation to you is to scout after your first ovie/depot/pylon when you don't know their race instead of waiting after your opening rax/gate/etc. I cannot take you seriously. I for one play random, as do many of my friends and we're all in diamond with good win rates. (Note: That doesn't say much considering how easy it is to get there atm). Tongue in cheek. PM me and hopefully we can set something up. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
So yeah, i dont like playing against Random. They definetly do not have to learn 9 matchups, the fact is, with few exception, random players cant play either of the matchups, or maybe one or two, the rest is just abuse. And i'm in Diamond 500+ rating, so i dont want to imagine how bad the situation is on lower rankings But props for the few who understand and play all the matchups. As for annoucing the race, i thin if you want to get better you should, but random players usaully just want to win so... I always tell my race, if my opponent missed it for some reason | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9107 Posts
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
If you would like, I'm sure there are lots of us on here who would be more than happy to post replays of us beating non-random players (without "cheese", though personally I don't believe that "cheese" exists (and no, I don't 6 pool or cannon rush)). | ||
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unit
United States2621 Posts
On August 04 2010 04:40 sikyon wrote: Every time I see someone complaining about playing against random players I see someone who can't play a reactionary game and likes to simply go for one hard strat against each race. If you would like, I'm sure there are lots of us on here who would be more than happy to post replays of us beating non-random players (without "cheese", though personally I don't believe that "cheese" exists (and no, I don't 6 pool or cannon rush)). cannon rush (PvZ) isnt cheese if you do it like tester, to secure an expansion ^___^ | ||
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Billyten
Canada37 Posts
On August 04 2010 04:32 nam nam wrote: If blizzard saw this as a problem they would announce what race the random player got on the loading screen. Hum...hum...hum... Facebook identity problem for pros... No chat room... No LAN... Ya, your right.... chat room were silly... just get rid of them.... that was a problem... What about LAN????? We are lucky that blizzard thought this was a problem too!!!!!!! should of been fixed even in broodwar right??????????? Well tought namnam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and all of these will certainly be added sooner or later and i don't think blizzard saw them as problems...... IT's NOT because the option to see your opponent race while loading is not in the game than it shouldn't be in the game!!! Just thinkin....... | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On August 04 2010 04:42 unit wrote: cannon rush (PvZ) isnt cheese if you do it like tester, to secure an expansion ^___^ canon rush absolutely is cheese One may say it s not an allin, but surely is a cheese | ||
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