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I know this has been discussed tons of times but now SC2 is out I'd like to look at it again.
Let me first say I am not sure if it is coincidence or not but I have never lost to an opponent who has randomed since SC2 release, they seem to be very weak players unable to deal with any creativity. I assume they are in diamond league because of the insane advantage that going random gives you, however they have no real practice playing Starcraft 2. I mean because when my opponent randoms he doesn't get the privilege of playing vs a real build, all of my openings become distinct within 30 seconds of the game so I have no way to scout him in time to adjust. So I simply have a 4th opening to deal with random, which however does not only a disservice to me, but really to my opposition also.
I would like to hear other diamond league players thoughts on if it is rude to random and not say your race or if they are doing themselves such disservice that we should let them be.
Or am I completely in the wrong is random somehow justified... and to be honest I hate the argument that they have to learn 9 match ups... because it seems like playing longer giving you an advantage is too MMO style for me. I think everyone should start the game the exact same and thats what makes a good RTS.
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Why would it be rude to hide your race if you go random? That's the whole point of going random. TLO never revealed his race when he played random in tournaments. Do you think he was being bad mannered by hiding his race?
Now, I play random in ladder because I want to learn all the races and eventually pick my favorite and only play "standard" builds. Sure, I might not be very creative but I don't feel you need to be creative to have very solid mechanics and know how to play.
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People play the game for different reasons.
Some prefer to get as high a rank as possible with as little effort as possible. These people will naturally gravitate towards cheese, protoss 4 gate all ins, or terran. (EDIT: it's sarcasm people)
Others prefer to actually improve and will focus on playing long macro games emphasizing mechanics, clever tactics, and different strategies.
And some just want to have fun playing all of the races and are willing to take the small advantage that random awards. Random is far more cheese resistant than picking a race, which means you can focus more on the things that matter. If you want to improve your anti cheese game, you can do that with a friend at any time.
It's not bad mannered in any way not to announce your race, just as it isn't bad mannered to not tell someone you're about to cheese them. People play the way they want, and as long as it works within the boundaries of the game, it's acceptable. Don't box people into your own preconceived notions of what's manner or acceptable.
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Your best bet is getting really good with one race. Once you've mastered a race, you already know all the other offraces build orders by then and you can play them very well, assuming you actually are good at the game at that point. If you just play for fun and not competitive random could be more fun. If im up 1-0 or vs somebody very bad in league matches i random and say my race, but i think im one of few. It has nothing to do with manners, i'm very bad mannered, but i don't care for an advantage
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no it's not rude lol what the hell kind of question is that
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No, it's not rude. I simply scout them much earlier than normal, like on 7 or 8 rather than 14 food. It delays my build by about 2-3 seconds, but it's not a huge deal at my level of play.
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I don't think random is BM. It is a feature of the game. It has advantages and disadvantages. If a player can be superb in every race (TLO), good for him, but it is certainly more difficult to do that.
You can specialize in one race, but show your race to others, or you can be good in all of them and have the advantage of the mistery. 
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FC strike, hawk and solheim you are all diamond yes?
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this is FAR from a dilemma.... what an extreme exaggeration.
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I'm personally a Diamond level player, yes. I started the Beta as a Zerg player, climbed to Diamond, switched to Terran, did it again, and the same with Protoss. Then I switched to random because I know all three races enough and I like the variety.
Were you trying to make a point as to how playing random gives us some sort of "insane advantage," thus we're all in the Diamond league? It's really not as massive as you make it out to be.
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I know a person who Random's just because he likes to cheese with any race and likes having a leg-up in scouting on his opponent. But there are numerous examples of people who like Random because it greatly increases their understanding of the game. Afterall, it's a lot easier to see how other people beat your strat than trying to figure out how to beat it yourself.
I don't think it's rude. It just is what it is.
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I played terran for a while and then switched to random. When i get terran on ladder I always win because I am ranked so low from my zerg and toss losses.
Random is more fun and interesting; I get a less biased perspective, play more varied games and get to learn the mechanics of the other races so I can exploit them.
It's more fun to play random.
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It is not rude.
I always play random to not get bored of one race and to diversify. Its not a disadvantage to anyone if you don't know a race. You have to scout either way, doesn't matter if you know their race-- so what does it matter?
If I were playing a touranment, maybe I'll play a certain race... maybe not... you can't tell me what to do. In the end, you will win because you played well, not because you were random and it threw off your opponent.
+I was rank 3 diamond in beta, not that it means anything. I only played random in beta. I also doubt you've beaten every random player you have played.
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I hate getting TvT matchups when people random, and i hate being up against randoms on big maps, kulas for insatnce.
I just have to default to a 10 depo, 12 rax, 13 gas build no matter what. I don't like it 
But yeah, people who play random are generally significantly weaker then others in AM.
Like vs toss i might not want to get gas, often its better to 4rax FE, or against terran i don't wall my ramp, but in random games i have to do the most basic thing ever, and it usually ends up biting me in the ass
But if you play random just not to get bored, why would it be a disadvantage to you to let the opponent know what race you are in the loading screen?
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I think that you might have a mental disability. How can it be such an insane advantage yet you have never lost to one?
Or am I completely in the wrong is random somehow justified... and to be honest I hate the argument that they have to learn 9 match ups... because it seems like playing longer giving you an advantage is too MMO style for me. I think everyone should start the game the exact same and thats what makes a good RTS.
This is just amazing really. Are you saying that a random player taking the time to learn 9 matchups and then having their random advantage on top of that is too MMO style? Because all they need is enough time to learn the matchups? That is such demented logic I can't honestly believe that is really your argument. By that logic anybody that plays any game longer and gets better because of it is playing an MMO style game and that is not fair somehow. Experience is not fair apparently. An RTS is only a good game if everyone is the exact same skill. Are you a communist?
Please try and think before you post. I also think you should check yourself into a mental hospital.
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I am a Diamond random player (~400 pts). I play random because playing random is fun, and I play games for fun. Id really like you to post your four BOs because I am struggling to see how different they could possibly be. And random puts you at a disadvantage not advantage. All the stats show this Diamond players average about 55% win rate while random diamonds are around 52%.
As for announcing your race, personally I think its more BM for you to ask, then it is for me not to tell you. If people ask my response is random or R.
because it seems like playing longer giving you an advantage is too MMO style for me.
as for this crazy statement, koreans practice 12 hours a day for a reason it give an advantage over someone who plays less then that. Random players would have to practice even more then that which is why you will never see a random top level player. TLO was able to pull it off early beta because no one had played that much, but he has now switched to terran.
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i play random because the game doesnt take alot of skill, so im pretty evenly diamond with each race. im sure later ill have to choose a race to figure out all the strategies but as the game is now it doesnt really matter.
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RUDE!!!!! I don't think so! pretty obvious that a random player try to pick one race or try to play diffrent for fun!!!
On another end, as a zerg player, playing on a 4 player map against a random player that ends up spawning as zerg..................................................is pretty shity....... except if you scout him first or send couples of drones at the biginning.... yet again.... that puts your opponent in a HUGE advantage in the early game!!!!!
Can't come up with a most imbalanced situation in the game!!!!!!!!
I'm gold right now (climbing..... climbing) and I'm pretty sure i could cheese more than 50% diamond player in that situation!!!!!
The solution is clear though..... click on random when you select your race, and while it's loading, both names AND races are anounced.... random players will still play random (not choosing) but it's even game for the 2 players!!!!!!
*** certainly not rude though***
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I play random and I always announce my race (except maybe if I am in a bad mood and it is ZvZ on a close position 2 player map)
I play random to get to know all the races and I have weak mental strength so playing random adds to the variety and possibly makes me play longer.
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You start by saying you've never lost to a random player and you're saying its a dilemma because they won't tell you their race? Thats part of being random deal with it you can ask but they won't always tell why should they? Your logic is pretty cloudy here.
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