I only dislike proxy gates in PvP, which is because it's just really goddamn strong. If he 10 Pylon 10 Gates and you do a 13 Gate, then even if you scout it perfectly it's pretty tough to hold off =P

lu_cid

United States428 Posts

July 17 2010 22:52 GMT

#82

Cheese is a natural part of the game, but players that cheese every game on two player maps are frankly retarded. I know of a couple of these on the US server, and sadly one of them is near the top of the ladder.

ToxNub

Canada805 Posts

July 17 2010 23:03 GMT

#83

On July 18 2010 07:46 Kpyolysis32 wrote:
I only dislike proxy gates in PvP, which is because it's just really goddamn strong. If he 10 Pylon 10 Gates and you do a 13 Gate, then even if you scout it perfectly it's pretty tough to hold off =P

I have the same experience.

peachsncream

United States289 Posts

July 17 2010 23:11 GMT

#84

cheese is fun to do before you matchup against the people around your skill... 1 hour 35 minutes 20 6 pool games.... not too bad... i think my longest game was 4 minutes lol

Vimsey

United Kingdom2235 Posts

July 17 2010 23:13 GMT

#85

On July 18 2010 08:03 ToxNub wrote:

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I have the same experience.

I hate PvP for this reason as said by tox esp on scrap station with such a wide ramp. Other maps I can hold it off if I scout it but that map its so hard. Any tips would be welcome.

Looky

United States1608 Posts

July 17 2010 23:18 GMT

#86

i feel liek cheese is part of the game now. it use to feel like your not a good player in BW but in sc2 theres so many factor that and i think more strategy to it and not so all in anymore

sjschmidt93

United States2518 Posts

July 17 2010 23:26 GMT

#87

They all fail usually, except for 6 pool... i always have problems with that one.

Marou

Germany1371 Posts

July 17 2010 23:30 GMT

#88

it's a full part of the game, feeling comfortable against chese is the first step into competitive gaming

Powster

United States650 Posts

July 17 2010 23:32 GMT

#89

Is.. 10 gate chronoboosted zealots in PvP (non proxy) cheese? I only use 1 gateway to mess up peoples build order forcing them to make zealots or die. If they put down a 2nd gateway then I do another gateway.. if they dont then I go to stalkers with a 2nd gate and then robo then a 3rd gate. Although I dont think its cheese people die to it a lot.. but I think its because they cant micro zealots+macro at same time. I have been doing this almost every game lately cuz I hate when games get to them 200/200 collossus attacking me so I play aggressive the whole game..

And.. is chronoboosted 2 fast stalkers in PvT (non proxy) cheese lol.. I killed some people who just had marines with the 2 stalkers..

ckw

United States1018 Posts

July 17 2010 23:32 GMT

#90

I hate cheese from players who are obviously a weaker opponent and thats why they cheese. To make their rank better and because they can't win otherwise. WhiteRa is an exception, even his "cheese" is most of the time not all in, he thinks things out and can play a macro game. Sometimes a lot of people want to play a good game not a 5 minutes win/loss like a ZvZ, why do you think EVERYONE hates that mirror match-up. I love my long well fought out games but I also can admit, I love beating some noob who just tried to 6 pool me.

Just like you say cheese is part of the game, so is BM.

ckw

United States1018 Posts

July 17 2010 23:35 GMT

#91

On July 18 2010 08:18 Looky wrote:
i feel liek cheese is part of the game now. it use to feel like your not a good player in BW but in sc2 theres so many factor that and i think more strategy to it and not so all in anymore

Theres no more strategy in SC2 than in BW. BW was just more developed so everyone did what everyone else did. Which was the best build. Cheese in BW and SC2 are the same, what are you getting at? It's not like if I cheese in SC2 I'm a better player than BW...

Lennon

United Kingdom2275 Posts

July 17 2010 23:35 GMT

#92

I've never cheesed ever because it feels like I'd learn nothing if I was to cheese.
It's a waste of time.

If I lose versus proxy barracks and mass marines then I'll leave without caring and probably won't watch the replay.
Standard games are the reason why I play SC2: not cheese.

Parodoxx

United States549 Posts

July 17 2010 23:38 GMT

#93

I dont mind cheesing in and of itself but It bugs me when ppl cheese their way to the top of a latter b/c I dont feel they deserve their spot I.E cannon rush 100% of games

Ballistixz

United States1269 Posts

July 17 2010 23:40 GMT

#94

i dont really care either way. the way i feel about cheesing is that its just a desperation play. if the cheese fails u loose and if goes good u win. its a all or nothing thing. and its easy to deal with as long as u have good scouting. the risks of cheesing are high on the player that decides to cheese.

Ghad

Norway2551 Posts

July 18 2010 01:05 GMT

#95

I am totally indifferent to it, it is a part of the game.

I don't do it much though, though i it was a guilty pleasure to go 6pool a couple of times after a particularly bad losing streak.

im a roc

United States745 Posts

July 18 2010 01:14 GMT

#96

I play the game to improve, not to win, so I never cheese. Jerks that care more about their ranking than about their skill or the skill of the other player will cheese. I find it to be a dick move every time because it's not only the cheeser that isn't learning anything from the game, it's also their opponent that is being robbed of practice time. It's disrespectful to both players in a game.

Jayme

United States5866 Posts

July 18 2010 01:19 GMT

#97

Cheesing in a tournament is fine and part of the game.

Cheesing just to win in a ladder is something I find completely pointless. It does nothing. The ladder is really rather meaningless so playing just to win on the ladder which brings nothing makes no sense to me.

I know people like to say "A win is a win" but when that win means nothing and brings you nothing it doesn't have a value. That's why I cheese during tournaments on occasion for the whole psychological thing but on ladder I just don't.

I play ladder to practice. Getting top 10 by cheesing is a hollow victory and I learn nothing by doing it.

CynanMachae

Canada1459 Posts

July 18 2010 01:24 GMT

#98

I'm fine with cheese by itself, but I really think that people laddering and almost only cheesing are annoying. I do get frustrated when I loose to some cheese, but that's mostly that I am probably trying to improve my mechanics which fending off cheese doesnt help much.

Also, for those that cheese a lot, does playing agaisnt a Random player amkes you cheese more? Cause I really feel like I get cheesed a lot at diamond level, being a random player. And I kinda see a reasoning behind it, when you cannot really know chich opening to use, so people just cheese.

TradgyAtHand

Canada99 Posts

July 18 2010 01:26 GMT

#99

Cheesing is fine by me as you normally have to give up one aspect of your game to get it to succeed (alot of cheese strats normally tend to be all-in)

what i really hate as BM and kinda cheesing is people who switch their race as game is counting down hoping you dont see the change. (not possible on new ladder but still)

RACE SWITCH IS BM

SoL[9]

Portugal1370 Posts

July 18 2010 01:26 GMT

#100

I dont care about cheese if i manage to win the game. I dont hate cheese but i hate the player special when they build one pylon in my main or proxy and say "gl hf gg" or "you dead"