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Kpyolysis32
Profile Joined April 2010
553 Posts
July 17 2010 22:46 GMT
#81
I only dislike proxy gates in PvP, which is because it's just really goddamn strong. If he 10 Pylon 10 Gates and you do a 13 Gate, then even if you scout it perfectly it's pretty tough to hold off =P
Man, do I not keep this up to date, or what?
lu_cid
Profile Joined April 2008
United States428 Posts
July 17 2010 22:52 GMT
#82
Cheese is a natural part of the game, but players that cheese every game on two player maps are frankly retarded. I know of a couple of these on the US server, and sadly one of them is near the top of the ladder.
ToxNub
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada805 Posts
July 17 2010 23:03 GMT
#83
On July 18 2010 07:46 Kpyolysis32 wrote:
I only dislike proxy gates in PvP, which is because it's just really goddamn strong. If he 10 Pylon 10 Gates and you do a 13 Gate, then even if you scout it perfectly it's pretty tough to hold off =P


I have the same experience.
peachsncream
Profile Joined April 2010
United States289 Posts
July 17 2010 23:11 GMT
#84
cheese is fun to do before you matchup against the people around your skill... 1 hour 35 minutes 20 6 pool games.... not too bad... i think my longest game was 4 minutes lol
I Micro I Micro - PLZLEAVEDUCK
Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
July 17 2010 23:13 GMT
#85
On July 18 2010 08:03 ToxNub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 07:46 Kpyolysis32 wrote:
I only dislike proxy gates in PvP, which is because it's just really goddamn strong. If he 10 Pylon 10 Gates and you do a 13 Gate, then even if you scout it perfectly it's pretty tough to hold off =P


I have the same experience.

I hate PvP for this reason as said by tox esp on scrap station with such a wide ramp. Other maps I can hold it off if I scout it but that map its so hard. Any tips would be welcome.
Looky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1608 Posts
July 17 2010 23:18 GMT
#86
i feel liek cheese is part of the game now. it use to feel like your not a good player in BW but in sc2 theres so many factor that and i think more strategy to it and not so all in anymore
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
July 17 2010 23:26 GMT
#87
They all fail usually, except for 6 pool... i always have problems with that one.
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Marou
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1371 Posts
July 17 2010 23:30 GMT
#88
it's a full part of the game, feeling comfortable against chese is the first step into competitive gaming
twitter@RickyMarou
Powster
Profile Joined April 2010
United States650 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 23:33:14
July 17 2010 23:32 GMT
#89
Is.. 10 gate chronoboosted zealots in PvP (non proxy) cheese? I only use 1 gateway to mess up peoples build order forcing them to make zealots or die. If they put down a 2nd gateway then I do another gateway.. if they dont then I go to stalkers with a 2nd gate and then robo then a 3rd gate. Although I dont think its cheese people die to it a lot.. but I think its because they cant micro zealots+macro at same time. I have been doing this almost every game lately cuz I hate when games get to them 200/200 collossus attacking me so I play aggressive the whole game..

And.. is chronoboosted 2 fast stalkers in PvT (non proxy) cheese lol.. I killed some people who just had marines with the 2 stalkers..
ckw
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1018 Posts
July 17 2010 23:32 GMT
#90
I hate cheese from players who are obviously a weaker opponent and thats why they cheese. To make their rank better and because they can't win otherwise. WhiteRa is an exception, even his "cheese" is most of the time not all in, he thinks things out and can play a macro game. Sometimes a lot of people want to play a good game not a 5 minutes win/loss like a ZvZ, why do you think EVERYONE hates that mirror match-up. I love my long well fought out games but I also can admit, I love beating some noob who just tried to 6 pool me.

Just like you say cheese is part of the game, so is BM.
Being weak is a choice.
ckw
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1018 Posts
July 17 2010 23:35 GMT
#91
On July 18 2010 08:18 Looky wrote:
i feel liek cheese is part of the game now. it use to feel like your not a good player in BW but in sc2 theres so many factor that and i think more strategy to it and not so all in anymore


Theres no more strategy in SC2 than in BW. BW was just more developed so everyone did what everyone else did. Which was the best build. Cheese in BW and SC2 are the same, what are you getting at? It's not like if I cheese in SC2 I'm a better player than BW...
Being weak is a choice.
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
July 17 2010 23:35 GMT
#92
I've never cheesed ever because it feels like I'd learn nothing if I was to cheese.
It's a waste of time.

If I lose versus proxy barracks and mass marines then I'll leave without caring and probably won't watch the replay.
Standard games are the reason why I play SC2: not cheese.
Parodoxx
Profile Joined May 2010
United States549 Posts
July 17 2010 23:38 GMT
#93
I dont mind cheesing in and of itself but It bugs me when ppl cheese their way to the top of a latter b/c I dont feel they deserve their spot I.E cannon rush 100% of games
Ballistixz
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1269 Posts
July 17 2010 23:40 GMT
#94
i dont really care either way. the way i feel about cheesing is that its just a desperation play. if the cheese fails u loose and if goes good u win. its a all or nothing thing. and its easy to deal with as long as u have good scouting. the risks of cheesing are high on the player that decides to cheese.
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
July 18 2010 01:05 GMT
#95
I am totally indifferent to it, it is a part of the game.

I don't do it much though, though i it was a guilty pleasure to go 6pool a couple of times after a particularly bad losing streak.
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
im a roc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States745 Posts
July 18 2010 01:14 GMT
#96
I play the game to improve, not to win, so I never cheese. Jerks that care more about their ranking than about their skill or the skill of the other player will cheese. I find it to be a dick move every time because it's not only the cheeser that isn't learning anything from the game, it's also their opponent that is being robbed of practice time. It's disrespectful to both players in a game.
Beware The Proxy Pool Rush
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
July 18 2010 01:19 GMT
#97
Cheesing in a tournament is fine and part of the game.

Cheesing just to win in a ladder is something I find completely pointless. It does nothing. The ladder is really rather meaningless so playing just to win on the ladder which brings nothing makes no sense to me.

I know people like to say "A win is a win" but when that win means nothing and brings you nothing it doesn't have a value. That's why I cheese during tournaments on occasion for the whole psychological thing but on ladder I just don't.

I play ladder to practice. Getting top 10 by cheesing is a hollow victory and I learn nothing by doing it.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
July 18 2010 01:24 GMT
#98
I'm fine with cheese by itself, but I really think that people laddering and almost only cheesing are annoying. I do get frustrated when I loose to some cheese, but that's mostly that I am probably trying to improve my mechanics which fending off cheese doesnt help much.

Also, for those that cheese a lot, does playing agaisnt a Random player amkes you cheese more? Cause I really feel like I get cheesed a lot at diamond level, being a random player. And I kinda see a reasoning behind it, when you cannot really know chich opening to use, so people just cheese.
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
TradgyAtHand
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada99 Posts
July 18 2010 01:26 GMT
#99
Cheesing is fine by me as you normally have to give up one aspect of your game to get it to succeed (alot of cheese strats normally tend to be all-in)

what i really hate as BM and kinda cheesing is people who switch their race as game is counting down hoping you dont see the change. (not possible on new ladder but still)

RACE SWITCH IS BM
the biggest tragedy is a 6 pool that fails.....
SoL[9]
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Portugal1370 Posts
July 18 2010 01:26 GMT
#100
I dont care about cheese if i manage to win the game. I dont hate cheese but i hate the player special when they build one pylon in my main or proxy and say "gl hf gg" or "you dead"

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