EPTWant some cheese with that whine? [Poll] - Page 6
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
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Senorcuidado
United States700 Posts
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Nifarious
United States42 Posts
Personally, I rarely 7 pool, but love holding off cheese or early pressure. Sure, it sucks to not have scouted something out and lose to that, but who cares? It was only you who lost. Just man up and work on your scouting and game sense. Really, anyone who loses a match and complains that you did some sort of cheap strategy or that it was just the map is being a whiney little bitch. If you find that you lose to something, take it as your next challenge. I'm looking at all you terrans who don't like muta ling ;-P. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
There's nothing bm about cheese. It's a strategy, not a pylon-heart. | ||
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moon`
United States372 Posts
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Leeto
United States1320 Posts
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
T_T I go ballistic and can never stop it. Hate it but it is essential (i never cheese) | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On July 18 2010 10:31 GHOSTCLAW wrote: it would be nice if you gave a better definition (either in sc1 or sc2, but preferably both) as to what cheesing is. for example, in SC:BW, is 3 hat hydra considered a cheese? In my opinion, it's a timing attack that has it's own strengths and weaknesses, and in many cases can be much weaker than 3 hatch mutalisk. However, there are many people who think that from the number of drones cut, as well as the timing, it is a cheese. I consider anything with a very slight chance of recovery a cheese. I would consider the 3 Hatch Hydra you described as an all-in push. I would consider a 4/5/6 Pool a Cheese. Also Proxy Cannons/Gates, and very early proxy Raxs are cheeses to me. I don't see why people consider all-in pushes cheese. Sure, all-in pushes put you behind if you don't win, but you can transition out of them, as you already have the basic structures to tech up or make an army to defend. For example, 4 Warp Gate all-in allows you to transition into an expansion (since you probably put them on the defense) and into Robo Tech or Templar Tech. While a Proxy Cannon Rush leaves you with a Forge. You have to build up from basically nothing. | ||
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DITISSPARTA
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1a2a3aPro
Canada227 Posts
On July 18 2010 11:25 Whole wrote: Sure, all-in pushes put you behind if you don't win, but you can transition out of them, as you ... No, you can't. The definition of an "all-in" is you either do a crippling amount of damage or kill your opponent, or you lose. That is why they are called all-ins. For example, 4-pool is all in. You cannot transition to a midgame (unless you kill all but 3 svs or something silly). A 5-pool, you simply need to do a lot of damage and you can enter an even/ahead mid-game of some kind, IMO 5 pool is not all-in, some may argue it is, but I think they are wrong edit: changed "damage" to "a lot of damage" in 5 pool description  | ||
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im a roc
United States745 Posts
On July 18 2010 11:25 Whole wrote: I consider anything with a very slight chance of recovery a cheese. I would consider the 3 Hatch Hydra you described as an all-in push. I would consider a 4/5/6 Pool a Cheese. Also Proxy Cannons/Gates, and very early proxy Raxs are cheeses to me. I don't see why people consider all-in pushes cheese. Sure, all-in pushes put you behind if you don't win, but you can transition out of them, as you already have the basic structures to tech up or make an army to defend. For example, 4 Warp Gate all-in allows you to transition into an expansion (since you probably put them on the defense) and into Robo Tech or Templar Tech. While a Proxy Cannon Rush leaves you with a Forge. You have to build up from basically nothing. I agree with your description mostly. Proxies are almost always cheeses to me, but all ins are still just another high risk high reward strategy that some people use. On July 18 2010 11:28 DITISSPARTA wrote: idc if people cheese but i think it's fine to be bad mannered if someone chesses you This is one of the most hilarious first posts I think I've ever seen. | ||
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Zombo Joe
Canada850 Posts
Cheese is taken badly when you don't scout. I held the Xel'naga Watchtower and saw many Marines pouring in from the enemy's base. So I Chronoboosted some Stalkers out and eventually pushed to his base where he had to give up as he cut workers to do an all-in cheese. I can't tolerate the cheese like 6 pools or cannon rushes. But I can tolerate the kind of cheese that doesn't get you behind. Its an essential part of the game but too many bad players use it against others that don't know how to stop it. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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NotJack
United States737 Posts
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Brutaxilos
United States2633 Posts
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
usually goes like this once i see it me: really? *silence* *silence* *silence* them: hellzya me: k xxxx has left the game You are victorious! | ||
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ScvReady
United States61 Posts
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BamBam
745 Posts
On July 18 2010 11:54 ScvReady wrote: I bm cheesers every time. I mean ill admit i cheesed before but that was back in bronze league and I think it should stay there. Right. Cause I mean, its totally fine to act mannered during a lengthy game where a set amount of specific units are used, but heaven forbid someone decides to do something out of the scope of a "normal" game they should be crucified. I personally think that if someone does a cheese, while still having a long-term plan I would classify said person as being a creative and risky player. Its those who can pull it off time and time again with wins regardless of the result of the cheese are the kinds of players I can respect. Sadly, not everyone accepts this viewpoint because everyone has their specific plan which relies on their opponent doing something normal (which is defined by those who appear in showmatches and win in tourneys, etc..) but should they not be able to pull it off because their opponent didnt do something they expected all of a sudden its a cheese and that person is a noob instead of the person that lost. I mean, how dare he not follow the obviously set rules of the Starcraft universe. | ||
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