Personally, I cant see why people have such harsh views against cheesing. I personally feel that it is your problem if you can not adapt to the sitatuion and pull out the win. Many people talk about how BM something is, and in my opinion getting mad at someone for cheesing is the ultimate BM. How dare you condemn someone for playing the game as they want to play it? I personally do not cheese often, but it disgusts me when i see others BM people who cheese.

So, TL.net... whats your opinion on the matter?

Poll: How do you feel about cheesing?

Okay with it (864)

58%

Hate it (369)

25%

Dont care either way (251)

17%

1484 total votes

Your vote: How do you feel about cheesing?

(Vote): Okay with it
(Vote): Hate it
(Vote): Dont care either way

iEchoic

United States1776 Posts

July 17 2010 20:38 GMT

Cheesing is okay if it's adding another dimension to your play. WhiteRa's cheese is awesome because he uses it tactically (i.e. to keep his opponent honest) and he's a legitimately good macro player. The guys who just cheese 24/7 on the ladder are honestly pretty sad, though.

Daedie

Belgium160 Posts

July 17 2010 20:40 GMT

Poll needs a bit more of a "neutral but in a non-indifferent way" option.

Anyway, I think cheese has it's place, as long ppl don't base their whole play on it.

Myles

United States5162 Posts

July 17 2010 20:41 GMT

Of course cheese is frustrating when on the receiving end of things, but I think it's good for the game in general. Keeps people on their toes and makes for interesting games(If you watched proleague last night you know what I'm talking about). Players need to have both cheese and standard play in their game and not bm about it, but I always love when people call someone else bad because they got beat by cheese.

Jarvs

Australia639 Posts

July 17 2010 20:42 GMT

Totally fine with it. If it weren't a legit choice than it wouldn't be so effective.

I get frustrated losing to it like every other player but I respect my opponent doing whatever they believe gives them the best chance of winning.

Wishous

Germany3 Posts

July 17 2010 20:43 GMT

people who use to cheese all the time wont get better anyway, so i dont care about "cheesers"

Duban

United States548 Posts

July 17 2010 20:44 GMT

On July 18 2010 05:38 iEchoic wrote:
Cheesing is okay if it's adding another dimension to your play. WhiteRa's cheese is awesome because he uses it tactically (i.e. to keep his opponent honest) and he's a legitimately good macro player. The guys who just cheese 24/7 on the ladder are honestly pretty sad, though.

I'm fine with it. Great players find new and creative ways to defeat opponents in ways they are not prepared for. If that way qualifies as cheese than so be it. Great players also find ways to counter those strategies. Good players observe the great players and learn from those strategies. Bad players whine about those strategies on the forums.

Tabbris

Bangladesh2839 Posts

July 17 2010 20:45 GMT

Cheesing was much worst in bw than in sc2. It was like every 4 games someone would cheese. People are alot better in this game for some reason. I just remember i refused 2 cheese when playing starcraft as zerg(12 hatch all the way baby). You had to stop shit like 2 port wraith proxy gate on python..cannon rushes, bunker rushes. proxie barracks. Okey not all of those are cheeses but they were in my eyes! >: (.

The only annoying cheese in sc2 is fast marauder in tvp

Sylvr

United States524 Posts

July 17 2010 20:45 GMT

A win is a win. If it's within the (intended) parameters of the game, then it's all good.

fatduck

United States148 Posts

July 17 2010 20:45 GMT

#10

my sentiments exactly

To me, it's a high risk move meant to punish your opponent for making assumptions about your play, like a surprise bomb pass in football or a long alley-oop in basketball. It won't work every time but it can catch an opponent off guard and force them to play more cautiously, which you can turn into a longer advantage.

Cheesing on ladder is kind of lame because you might not play that same player ever again, but I can understand that if you want cheese to be part of your strategic arsenal you need to practice it and practice against it.

sushiko

197 Posts

July 17 2010 20:46 GMT

#11

I'm more annoyed with people complaining about cheese that isn't cheese. Going Dt's 7 minutes into the game because i see you have no detectors is not cheese.

Pistolfied

Canada79 Posts

July 17 2010 20:46 GMT

#12

I actually kinda like it when I get cheesed because if I'm able to fend it off I'm guaranteed to win because of my economic advantage, so I go into troll mode and attempt to make them rage quit :3

DarQraven

Netherlands553 Posts

July 17 2010 20:52 GMT

#13

I definitely think cheese has its place, although there is no denying it is annoying when you're on the receiving end.
Thing is, I've had some dedicated cheese defense practice with a friend of mine, and after that it's not so bad. He'd spent the preceding days learning some cheese builds and where and how to use them. We'd start out with 6pool: he'd do it n times in a row, I'd try to defend. Once I could defend, I'd try how far I could stretch my defense to maximize my advantage once I'd survived it, while he'd try and pull it off in different ways (like different positions to hide his proxy gates, etc).
After this, something else like cannon rush or PF rush.

With that experience behind my belt, it's definitely less annoying to face cheese in ladder games. I know I can counter them, and any loss comes from a lack of scouting on my part.

LittLeD

Sweden7973 Posts

July 17 2010 20:54 GMT

#14

Okay with it. Doesnt bother me at all. Cannon pushes and such can be compared to all-in tower rushes in wc3, 2v2 where one guy sends all his militas to the opponents base to spam up towers whereas the other guy feed him the required gold and wood. But if you're experienced enough there's always ways to win. So BM just because someone doesnt play the game you 'want' it to be played, then its your own bloody fault.

Kindred

Canada396 Posts

July 17 2010 20:57 GMT

#15

the only one that really annoys me is cannon rushing

Zexion

Sweden971 Posts

July 17 2010 20:58 GMT

#16

I'm defenitely fine with it. Creative cheese, or whatever we should call it, is just good for the future of SC2. And "standard" cheese should be so easy to counter and the player only have himself to blame if he loses to a cannon rush or 6 pool...

In fact, you ALWAYS only have yourself to blame after losing a game, unless it's a disconnect or something like that of course.

Toyta

12 Posts

July 17 2010 21:00 GMT

#17

but if u can stop a cannon rush, ur opponent will be way behind..

nttea

Sweden4353 Posts

July 17 2010 21:00 GMT

#18

You give me cheese and i shove whine down your throat FUCKER.

i hate losing to cheese!

DashFlow

United Kingdom176 Posts

July 17 2010 21:00 GMT

#19

I'm one of the people who hate cheese since its so annoying but i know i should learn from it and see how to win against cheese instead of losing to it