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Want some cheese with that whine? [Poll]

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SC2Pandemic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States18 Posts
July 17 2010 20:36 GMT
#1
Personally, I cant see why people have such harsh views against cheesing. I personally feel that it is your problem if you can not adapt to the sitatuion and pull out the win. Many people talk about how BM something is, and in my opinion getting mad at someone for cheesing is the ultimate BM. How dare you condemn someone for playing the game as they want to play it? I personally do not cheese often, but it disgusts me when i see others BM people who cheese.

So, TL.net... whats your opinion on the matter?

Poll: How do you feel about cheesing?

Okay with it (864)
 
58%

Hate it (369)
 
25%

Dont care either way (251)
 
17%

1484 total votes

Your vote: How do you feel about cheesing?

(Vote): Okay with it
(Vote): Hate it
(Vote): Dont care either way



iEchoic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1776 Posts
July 17 2010 20:38 GMT
#2
Cheesing is okay if it's adding another dimension to your play. WhiteRa's cheese is awesome because he uses it tactically (i.e. to keep his opponent honest) and he's a legitimately good macro player. The guys who just cheese 24/7 on the ladder are honestly pretty sad, though.
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Daedie
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium160 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 20:42:44
July 17 2010 20:40 GMT
#3
Poll needs a bit more of a "neutral but in a non-indifferent way" option.

Anyway, I think cheese has it's place, as long ppl don't base their whole play on it.
I like turtles
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
July 17 2010 20:41 GMT
#4
Of course cheese is frustrating when on the receiving end of things, but I think it's good for the game in general. Keeps people on their toes and makes for interesting games(If you watched proleague last night you know what I'm talking about). Players need to have both cheese and standard play in their game and not bm about it, but I always love when people call someone else bad because they got beat by cheese.
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Jarvs
Profile Joined December 2009
Australia639 Posts
July 17 2010 20:42 GMT
#5
Totally fine with it. If it weren't a legit choice than it wouldn't be so effective.

I get frustrated losing to it like every other player but I respect my opponent doing whatever they believe gives them the best chance of winning.
Wishous
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany3 Posts
July 17 2010 20:43 GMT
#6
people who use to cheese all the time wont get better anyway, so i dont care about "cheesers"
Just a human with respect in his pockets.
Duban
Profile Joined July 2009
United States548 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 20:47:10
July 17 2010 20:44 GMT
#7
On July 18 2010 05:38 iEchoic wrote:
Cheesing is okay if it's adding another dimension to your play. WhiteRa's cheese is awesome because he uses it tactically (i.e. to keep his opponent honest) and he's a legitimately good macro player. The guys who just cheese 24/7 on the ladder are honestly pretty sad, though.

I'm fine with it. Great players find new and creative ways to defeat opponents in ways they are not prepared for. If that way qualifies as cheese than so be it. Great players also find ways to counter those strategies. Good players observe the great players and learn from those strategies. Bad players whine about those strategies on the forums.
An ignorant person makes a mistake. A stupid person makes it again.
Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 20:45:53
July 17 2010 20:45 GMT
#8
Cheesing was much worst in bw than in sc2. It was like every 4 games someone would cheese. People are alot better in this game for some reason. I just remember i refused 2 cheese when playing starcraft as zerg(12 hatch all the way baby). You had to stop shit like 2 port wraith proxy gate on python..cannon rushes, bunker rushes. proxie barracks. Okey not all of those are cheeses but they were in my eyes! >: (.

The only annoying cheese in sc2 is fast marauder in tvp
Sylvr
Profile Joined May 2010
United States524 Posts
July 17 2010 20:45 GMT
#9
A win is a win. If it's within the (intended) parameters of the game, then it's all good.
fatduck
Profile Joined April 2010
United States148 Posts
July 17 2010 20:45 GMT
#10
On July 18 2010 05:38 iEchoic wrote:
Cheesing is okay if it's adding another dimension to your play. WhiteRa's cheese is awesome because he uses it tactically (i.e. to keep his opponent honest) and he's a legitimately good macro player. The guys who just cheese 24/7 on the ladder are honestly pretty sad, though.


my sentiments exactly

To me, it's a high risk move meant to punish your opponent for making assumptions about your play, like a surprise bomb pass in football or a long alley-oop in basketball. It won't work every time but it can catch an opponent off guard and force them to play more cautiously, which you can turn into a longer advantage.

Cheesing on ladder is kind of lame because you might not play that same player ever again, but I can understand that if you want cheese to be part of your strategic arsenal you need to practice it and practice against it.
good sir, you appear to be somewhat lacking in intelligence. please refrain from posting until this is remedied, since it renders your opinions slightly less than correct and has a tendency to irritate more informed forum-goers
sushiko
Profile Joined June 2010
197 Posts
July 17 2010 20:46 GMT
#11
I'm more annoyed with people complaining about cheese that isn't cheese. Going Dt's 7 minutes into the game because i see you have no detectors is not cheese.
Pistolfied
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada79 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 20:47:35
July 17 2010 20:46 GMT
#12
I actually kinda like it when I get cheesed because if I'm able to fend it off I'm guaranteed to win because of my economic advantage, so I go into troll mode and attempt to make them rage quit :3
Stop saying anywayS, it's anyway, not anyway>>S<<. Anyways is not a word!!!
DarQraven
Profile Joined January 2010
Netherlands553 Posts
July 17 2010 20:52 GMT
#13
I definitely think cheese has its place, although there is no denying it is annoying when you're on the receiving end.
Thing is, I've had some dedicated cheese defense practice with a friend of mine, and after that it's not so bad. He'd spent the preceding days learning some cheese builds and where and how to use them. We'd start out with 6pool: he'd do it n times in a row, I'd try to defend. Once I could defend, I'd try how far I could stretch my defense to maximize my advantage once I'd survived it, while he'd try and pull it off in different ways (like different positions to hide his proxy gates, etc).
After this, something else like cannon rush or PF rush.

With that experience behind my belt, it's definitely less annoying to face cheese in ladder games. I know I can counter them, and any loss comes from a lack of scouting on my part.
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
July 17 2010 20:54 GMT
#14
Okay with it. Doesnt bother me at all. Cannon pushes and such can be compared to all-in tower rushes in wc3, 2v2 where one guy sends all his militas to the opponents base to spam up towers whereas the other guy feed him the required gold and wood. But if you're experienced enough there's always ways to win. So BM just because someone doesnt play the game you 'want' it to be played, then its your own bloody fault.
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Kindred
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada396 Posts
July 17 2010 20:57 GMT
#15
the only one that really annoys me is cannon rushing
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Zexion
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Sweden971 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 21:00:04
July 17 2010 20:58 GMT
#16
I'm defenitely fine with it. Creative cheese, or whatever we should call it, is just good for the future of SC2. And "standard" cheese should be so easy to counter and the player only have himself to blame if he loses to a cannon rush or 6 pool...

In fact, you ALWAYS only have yourself to blame after losing a game, unless it's a disconnect or something like that of course.
Toyta
Profile Joined July 2010
12 Posts
July 17 2010 21:00 GMT
#17
but if u can stop a cannon rush, ur opponent will be way behind..
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
July 17 2010 21:00 GMT
#18
You give me cheese and i shove whine down your throat FUCKER. i hate losing to cheese!
DashFlow
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom176 Posts
July 17 2010 21:00 GMT
#19
I'm one of the people who hate cheese since its so annoying but i know i should learn from it and see how to win against cheese instead of losing to it
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Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
July 17 2010 21:01 GMT
#20
cheese is fine as long as it has a followup in chase it does not work. the people who all inn 4 mins into the game are bad. ;D
"Mudkip"
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