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Sammyp
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia7 Posts
July 19 2010 10:52 GMT
#201
All cheese strats can go HORRIBLY wrong if countered. Say 2 proxy gateway, some quick lings, marines or z's plus some worker help, you may aswell count your chickens before they hatch. Cheesing is in some ways a lot harder then microing up because it takes a lot of macro. If you can pull off a good cheese, its fine but its at A LOT of risk.
Tone_
Profile Joined May 2009
United Kingdom554 Posts
July 19 2010 11:02 GMT
#202
On July 19 2010 19:29 gakkgakk wrote:
Alot of people saying its ok to cheese in tournaments, but not in ladders because you should use ladder to practice. But then how do you get better at cheesing? It does make sense to practice cheese on ladder so that when you do it in a tournament youre awesome at it. Right?


People are not reading the thread properly and repeating discussions now, the problems highlighted are to do with those who cheese 24/7. Who wants 50% of their games to be defending cheese, even if you win 100% of the time.

And for those who say winning any way is acceptable, no point in you commenting here really is there? Go do some of those 6pools that make you the 'good player' you clearly are.
Hasta La Victoria Siempre | 톤
Wihl
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden472 Posts
July 19 2010 11:04 GMT
#203
I can get a bit annoyed when people just want a fast win and cheese their way to diamond but its fun when you counter it and they leave immediately.
obb
Profile Joined August 2007
Sweden4 Posts
July 19 2010 14:02 GMT
#204
There is no point in practicing timing push builds if u cannot handle cheese, I'm 100% fine with cheese in the game.


Not accepting cheese as 100% right and in it's place is like not wanting pre-flop raises in poker.
EliteAzn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States661 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-19 16:18:05
July 19 2010 16:17 GMT
#205
On July 19 2010 23:02 obb wrote:
Not accepting cheese as 100% right and in it's place is like not wanting pre-flop raises in poker.


Um....no because that's (pre-flop raises) standard.
Cheese is more like aggressive bluffing.

Anyways, it's a part of the game and you can't do anything about it.
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LeDuck
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany152 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-19 16:23:36
July 19 2010 16:22 GMT
#206
It's a part of the game and I guess most of the people, who are complaining, just did mistakes of their own, e.g. late scouting. If you're at a point, where you know how to handle the different builds, you probably won't have a lot of problems against it. People who want "noble" victories just aren't using the full potential of the game.
Quack
Dance.jhu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States292 Posts
July 19 2010 16:27 GMT
#207
The Diamond league in American servers is a cheese-fest at around 300 points...I have never played a protoss who didn't cheese.
It is what it is...
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
July 19 2010 16:33 GMT
#208
Cheese is part of the game. If there was no cheese there would be no tension in the early game.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Back
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada505 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-19 16:38:54
July 19 2010 16:38 GMT
#209
On July 20 2010 01:27 Dance.jhu wrote:
The Diamond league in American servers is a cheese-fest at around 300 points...I have never played a protoss who didn't cheese.


Yeah they always two some chessy 2-gate zealot thing instead of letting me fast-expand in peace so we can have a nicely balanced mid-game. Oops, is my probe showing?
Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
July 19 2010 16:47 GMT
#210
On July 20 2010 01:27 Dance.jhu wrote:
The Diamond league in American servers is a cheese-fest at around 300 points...I have never played a protoss who didn't cheese.


Sounds like anyone not cheesing could win easily by playing safe?

Good players will often cheese once or twice in a bo5. If the same rate of cheese doesn't exist in the ladder then overly economic and risky openings will be more successful than they should.

People complaining about cheese are just bitter. Either you aren't cheesed more than what is necessary to keep you honest about not playing too economically or you're being cheesed so often that you can gain an advantage by playing safe.

Just adapt.
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Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-19 16:50:27
July 19 2010 16:48 GMT
#211
On July 19 2010 20:02 Tone_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2010 19:29 gakkgakk wrote:
Alot of people saying its ok to cheese in tournaments, but not in ladders because you should use ladder to practice. But then how do you get better at cheesing? It does make sense to practice cheese on ladder so that when you do it in a tournament youre awesome at it. Right?


People are not reading the thread properly and repeating discussions now, the problems highlighted are to do with those who cheese 24/7. Who wants 50% of their games to be defending cheese, even if you win 100% of the time.


The problem won't get to that point specifically because of the same things you mentioned. Cheese players aren't hard to deal with. If cheese becomes anything more then a minor annoyence for some players, then you're going to get a lot of practice against it whether you want to or not.

If someone cheeses 100% of the time, they aren't going to go anywhere. They're going to get a decent ladder spot and get repeatedly beat by anyone better, will never win any kind of BO series or tournament, and won't even come close to being a recognized SC player.

Players who cheese all the time aren't a problem (unless you lose all the time against them).
Dillingerz
Profile Joined May 2010
United States54 Posts
July 19 2010 17:49 GMT
#212
I hate cheese I always fine myself panicking, pissed, and making mistakes when I come across a chesser.
Never underestimate puddles
johngalt90
Profile Joined May 2010
United States357 Posts
July 19 2010 18:13 GMT
#213
only cheese i really hate is the proxy reaper (im toss) seems this comes out a little too early (stalker prbably just started building). also when randoms six pool thats the worst. occasionally i will lose to cannon rushes but thats normally cuz im asleep behind the wheel and imo prob the least aggravatin cheese.
fuck the haters
jtgizmo
Profile Joined April 2010
Congo161 Posts
July 19 2010 19:01 GMT
#214
cheese imo doesnt involve a skill so I think whoever cheeses deserves bm and also does not deserve a gg
tfmdjeff
Profile Joined June 2010
United States170 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-19 19:03:36
July 19 2010 19:02 GMT
#215
I hate it. It gives players the impression that they're good while they actually completely lack skill. Still, they can cheese, I'll just play macro, get better, and actually work my way up the ladder while they can remain the kings of silver league, winning every game with 2 proxy gateways or a 6pool.
HardcoreBilly
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States222 Posts
July 19 2010 19:05 GMT
#216
I don't hate cheese that much, but I refuse to gg if I lose to cheese. It's simply not a good game then, no other way to put it.
trucejl
Profile Joined May 2010
120 Posts
July 19 2010 19:10 GMT
#217
depends on the type of cheese. if they just rally point everything into ur base mindlessly and kill you then it is kind of annoying since nobody wants to sent out a super early worker to scout every game. but if the cheese involved a lot of micro then its nothing to be mad about
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
July 19 2010 19:17 GMT
#218
How can there even be an option: "Dont care either way"?
Either you hate cheesing or you don't care (which implies that you are ok with it)...

I for my part am ok with cheesing. I try it every once in a while, when I get bored or have lost a few games in a row.
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