• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:21
CEST 01:21
KST 08:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview4[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)7Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview5
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th22Weekly Cups (May 18-25): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League4Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double0Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview Weekly Cups (May 18-25): MaxPax wins doubles Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Welcome to the External Content forum Mutation # 527 Hell Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 526 Rubber and Glue
Brood War
General
Pros React To: ASL S21 Finals Every Matchup's Top 5 Winrates (all ASLs & KSLs) BW General Discussion Very long shot - StarCraft x A7X video Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [BSL22] WB Final & LB Semis - Saturday 21:00 CEST [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Dating: How's your luck? European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development streaming software
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Customization Drives Loyalty…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2172 users

Want some cheese with that whine? [Poll] - Page 3

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 9 10 11 Next All
Aberu
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States968 Posts
July 17 2010 21:22 GMT
#41
When people complain about cheese here (I think the SC community is funny because they do this) it just reminds me of when I was a kid and playing fighting games in the arcade, and I would use a throw on a kid who just blocked all the time, OVER and OVER and the kid would begin getting angry and eventually crying and using the word "cheap".

If you want to grow, how about you stop giving names to things to make yourself feel like you are better than the person you lost to.
srsly
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 21:24:26
July 17 2010 21:23 GMT
#42
guys who cheese every game are makiing me sad. especially if they just want to climb the ranks
edit: and i never played a guy with a cheese that was really creative or something.
FTD
Lucius2
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany548 Posts
July 17 2010 21:25 GMT
#43
7 proxy rax vs p (even better when hes random), nothing more to add...but im sure everyone else except me can handle this with his eyes closed
KnowMe
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany228 Posts
July 17 2010 21:33 GMT
#44
im cheesing zergs if they get their pool late. theyll alrdy have an economic advantage because i can not really deny the fast expand. a 15 pool just deserves to get punished by pylon+forge at choke
http://www.facebook.com/KnowMeSc2 https://twitter.com/YouBetterKnowMe
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
July 17 2010 21:33 GMT
#45
On July 18 2010 06:12 The_Pacifist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 06:09 Ghostcom wrote:
I'm fine with cheese, UNLESS it comes from a random player. I think cheese is a very important part of the game, and we all love(d) to see it in BW wondering wheter or not they would pull it off.

But when someone picks random and then cheeses I lose all respect for them.


Well, I don't lose all respect that way, but it just feels like they chose random and hoped for terran or zerg but got toss and so they immediately decide to cannon rush.

But whatever. Cheese or not, if I lose to it, I can only blame myself.


Well, I just played the same guy for the third (the odds of this happening is pretty small so I hope I won't have to play him again anytime soon). He plays random, I play protoss (or well, I do tonight) and our 3 games were:

1: PvP - he tries to canonrush, though I scout his probe as it enters my base so I stop it np.
2: PvZ - he 6 or 7 pools into mass-lings. I 13-gated, I lose (was on metalopolis and sadly for me not cross positions).
3: PvT - take a wild stab at what he does... If you guessed proxy reaper with marauders as follow-up + bunker you guessed right. Since I recognized him I prepared for him to cheese so I held it off and eventually won.

He was pretty obviously NOT playing random, hoping to get one of 2 races, he was playing random to get an extra advantage when he cheesed and THAT I simply can't respect.
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
July 17 2010 21:34 GMT
#46
Why is there no option for loving it?
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
July 17 2010 21:34 GMT
#47
Alternative and aggressive strategies are cool, gambling on an all-in at the start of the game is pretty lame. But it's useful to play against and make sure you can deflect it.
My strategy is to fork people.
EliteAzn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States661 Posts
July 17 2010 21:36 GMT
#48
It's a double edged sword.

Yes, people hate being cheesed, but it's a part of the game. The best part about defeating a cheese is the cheeser rage-quitting because he failed (and how the cheeser probably doesn't know how to play a game longer than 10-15 minutes)

Without cheese, the game might get too boring...
(╯`Д´)╯︵ ┻━┻ High Five! _o /\ o_
HubertFelix
Profile Joined April 2010
France631 Posts
July 17 2010 21:37 GMT
#49
I'm ok with cheese since I don't see much of this in my ladder games.
If it was 50% of the game like the early beta marine+scv rush I would be pissed off.
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
July 17 2010 21:38 GMT
#50
I hate cheese but there is no other way to keep abusive players honest. 12 nexus would be a ridiculous standard in PvT if BBS didn't exist.
Cadgers
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States514 Posts
July 17 2010 21:39 GMT
#51
Learning how to defend cheese is just one aspect of the game. Whether you like it or not cheese is a legit strat that you should learn to counter just like you would Muta/Ling.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
July 17 2010 21:41 GMT
#52
i hate it since..well its all everyone on beta does
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
ClanOverdosed
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
691 Posts
July 17 2010 21:42 GMT
#53
Cheese is fine because all is fair in a battle to the death, but I find it annoying when I'm looking for a fun game with head to head battles
Overdosed--www.overdosed.net
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
July 17 2010 21:47 GMT
#54
i dont have problems with moderate cheesing but super cheese like 6pool, proxy rax and proxy gates takes no skill and is so boring.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
July 17 2010 21:48 GMT
#55
I love cheese, its my favorite!! I play a macro game only, but when I get cheesed I either win or I get better. Also often times cheese leads to weird situations that are fun.

Today I played a PvZ where a guy put cannons on the bottom of my ramp on python. Good thing they changed how the high ground works because my queen could attack the cannons. Went 1 base muta = gg
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
July 17 2010 21:50 GMT
#56
I don't think you should use cheese in anything other than a series (BoX) match. Cheesing in ladders is just stupid.
:)
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
July 17 2010 21:52 GMT
#57
perfectly fine cheesing and getting cheesed.
Moderatorsloppy little slug
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
July 17 2010 21:53 GMT
#58
On July 18 2010 06:23 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
guys who cheese every game are makiing me sad. especially if they just want to climb the ranks
edit: and i never played a guy with a cheese that was really creative or something.


Sorry to single you out because there are thousands upon thousands of posts on TL with this sentiment.

Why do you care about the guy that is cheesing? Are you interested in his progression as a player? Is he dating your mother? etc.

The person you should focus on is yourself. What did you do to make yourself vulnerable to cheese? Why does it anger you when someone pulls off that cheese against you? Is there a weakness in your build timing that you are hoping is not exploited?

If you win, do you think "what a stupid piece of shit!" or do you think "well, my build can respond well to this timing"?

If you lose, do you think "what a stupid piece of shit!" or do you think "what went wrong in my build or response"?

Trying to mystically uncover the motivations of your opponent or making a scapegoat out of them is a huge waste of your time.
roachy
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada9 Posts
July 17 2010 21:54 GMT
#59
You should be scouting enough to adapt to whatever comes your way.

However, in a 2v2 or a 3v3, if theres some sort of double or triple cheese action it can get annoying
Back
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada505 Posts
July 17 2010 21:54 GMT
#60
I hate the word cheese. People use it and twist it any way they like to pretend it's not their fault they lost. Not my fault; i got cheesed. I'm the better player, but I got cheesed. It's already getting old and I can hear the distant wailing of millions of starcraft newcomers that will assault all forums with demands that "cheese" be "nerfed".
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 9 10 11 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
19:00
Mid Season Playoffs
Gerald vs MindelVK
goblin vs TBD
Jumy vs HonMonO
SteadfastSC129
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft725
ZombieGrub131
SteadfastSC 129
uThermal 90
JuggernautJason54
SpeCial 49
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 556
NaDa 18
Dota 2
capcasts124
Counter-Strike
summit1g14089
tarik_tv3794
Doublelift3205
Fnx 1411
minikerr8
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King117
PPMD57
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi1564
Day[9].tv467
C9.Mang0242
ViBE124
JimRising 88
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick576
Counter-Strike
PGL183
Other Games
BasetradeTV179
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 105
• RyuSc2 39
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21353
Other Games
• Day9tv467
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
39m
Maestros of the Game
13h 39m
Big Brain Bouts
16h 39m
Shino vs Scarlett
Bly vs DnS
Serral vs ByuN
Replay Cast
1d
RSL Revival
1d 7h
Lambo vs SHIN
Solar vs Rogue
herO vs Clem
Maestros of the Game
1d 11h
IPSL
1d 16h
ZZZero vs WorsT
Julia vs eOnzErG
BSL
1d 19h
TerrOr vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs eOnzErG
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
[ Show More ]
Maestros of the Game
2 days
OSC
2 days
IPSL
2 days
Dragon vs Artosis
dxtr13 vs Hawk
BSL
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
4 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Maestros of the Game
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
6 days
Maestros of the Game
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 21
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

2026 KK StarCraft Pro League
BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: King of Kings
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
Bounty Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.