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ClanOverdosed
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
691 Posts
July 18 2010 09:52 GMT
#141
Wow, I just noticed the connect between "whine" and "cheese" haha funny ^^
Overdosed--www.overdosed.net
SkyTheUnknown
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany2065 Posts
July 18 2010 09:54 GMT
#142
I'm okay with it. With one exception, I hate players who are not capable to do something else, but cheesing. Cheesing should be an option to make the game more viable, but cheesing every single match? Hell, no!
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown - H.P. Lovecraft
gdroxor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States639 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 09:59:32
July 18 2010 09:58 GMT
#143
On July 18 2010 18:39 Tabbris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 07:14 hp.Methos wrote:
On July 18 2010 05:45 Tabbris wrote:
Cheesing was much worst in bw than in sc2. It was like every 4 games someone would cheese. People are alot better in this game for some reason. I just remember i refused 2 cheese when playing starcraft as zerg(12 hatch all the way baby). You had to stop shit like 2 port wraith proxy gate on python..cannon rushes, bunker rushes. proxie barracks. Okey not all of those are cheeses but they were in my eyes! >: (.

The only annoying cheese in sc2 is fast marauder in tvp


not really cheese. it's not hard to defend against and it isn't all-in

Fast marader[sic] is defiently[sic] a cheese and it is hard as hell 2[sic] defend against if u[sic] 13 gate


Not really, it isn't an all-in strategy. If fast marauders doesn't work you haven't been cutting your economy badly enough (or at all) to lose the game or be too far behind to catch up. If anything it's just a very solid opening, especially in TvP.
Just because you are bad against a specific strategy doesn't make it cheese.
Sethronu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom450 Posts
July 18 2010 10:06 GMT
#144
As long as there's a reason for it, sure. If you play 2z in 2v2 only to 6pool every single game though, that's pretty retarded. It's not even about me not knowing how to deal with whatever kind of cheese or being annoyed because I lost a game by not spotting a proxy or whatever - I just don't find this kind of cheese games fun at all, where the game basically ends in 90 seconds either way.
Dantak
Profile Joined January 2006
Czech Republic648 Posts
July 18 2010 10:14 GMT
#145
This thread made me to login for the first time in like forever :-). Personally I have nothing against cheesers. Quite the contrary I can't get people who have anything agains cheesing.

I mean, the ultimate goal of playing the game is to win. To win means to destroy enemy base. That's it. There is no goal of becoming better, "not being gay" or whatever. Only thing that really matters is that you win.

For me cheesing is the most fun part of the game. Why should I stick to early-mid-late game phases? Why should I play the game as others tell me to? By cheesing you are forcing yourself and your oponent to get out of their comfort zone and improvise, which often leads to most interesting games in history. I don't really want to see 200 vs 200 battles, it's all the time all the same, let's bring in awesome micro, thinking out of a box, improvisation!
"Life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery." - f33red k0r34n z3rg
DiTH
Profile Joined March 2010
Greece116 Posts
July 18 2010 10:16 GMT
#146
I play random and TBH guys dont usually cheese me and i dont do cheese tactics either.I only used cheese 2 times.Me 7pool vs Protoss and it happened on both times that Both Protoss were proxy gating me (1 inside my bases and 1 outside).I loled so much.Imagine the odds.Out of my 100 games i cheesed twice and those 2 times they were cheesing me.But really who is cheesing vs Random?
GrazerRinge
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
999 Posts
July 18 2010 10:30 GMT
#147
Hate it because i got cheesed every two matches .__.
But have to admit that in VOD, it's top of cream!
"Successful people don't talk much. They listen and take action."
Crueger
Profile Joined May 2009
Sweden73 Posts
July 18 2010 10:42 GMT
#148
I hate cheese because it's overused, it's not good for practicing, and it just doesn't let you play the game. Cheesing in a BoX match is one thing, that's good in many ways, but cheesing against random people on ladder just feels pointless and annoying. Play fun games instead, games that helps you improve etc.
Ploppytheman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States248 Posts
July 18 2010 10:46 GMT
#149
I BM people who cheese b/c I'm at the point where defending cheese provides no benefit except a large advantage over my opponent where I don't really learn anything. You can argue "but you got cheese b/c u didn't do XYZ", fine I'd rather die to cheese in a few min that waste 15-20min beating someone who provided no learningification. If I had more SC friends I just wouldn't ladder as much and practice the things I feel I am weak at, midgame-lategame macro, macro while microing, etc. But since ladder 1v1 is 90% of my games I hate cheese. Its bad enough I get random maps and MU.

The other reason is most people who cheese are BAD. They can only cheese so they do it. Almost 90% of the time I get a random I think "ah fuck a cheeser". Not only is it irritating to scout and playing PvZ w/o a FFE is generally a problem. For some reason every random player seems to cheese me. I don't know if its my luck or that there are a lot of bads, who choose random, to cheese. Its not like White-Ra who is amazing and chooses to cheese but is also capable of macro, thats respectable b/c he has skill. However I still understand how Idra feels about cheese just not as strongly, a macro game is just more rewarding and complex. I think once you get really high diamond cheesing is fine if your not random, because its less cheese and more punishing people and limiting options than LOL ZERG RUSK KEKEKEKEKEKE. Cheesing as random is BS imo b/c you can win b/c of a late scout and not be prepared for the several varieties of cheese that could happen, aka kulas ravine proxy reaper when you don't scout him for a long time.

I am also pretty BM anyway but most of the time I'm just trolling for the fun of it. I don't like the taboo of BM or being angry at a loss. I'm an aggressive person IRL and being angry because you want to do better is NOT a bad thing. I've never thrown something or broken anything or punched a kitten but I BM, don't really care if people don't like it. I get mad for a sec then am like, ok so what can I do better so that baddy will lose. I find anger at faults as a good motivation.

Also wtf is up with all this gl hf, gg bullshit and smily faces and shit. Fuck that. I can understand gg if they play well but who wants luck involved? I personally say

BL HFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

every game. I'm tired of all this ^.^ shit, reminds me of anime. I'd rather have someone tell me go suck a fat **** than make a ^.^ at me. Maybe I should use those to troll.... hmmm....
youtube.com/ploppytheman for GAIMEZ!!!
Tone_
Profile Joined May 2009
United Kingdom554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 10:50:49
July 18 2010 10:49 GMT
#150
On July 18 2010 05:36 SC2Pandemic wrote:
Personally, I cant see why people have such harsh views against cheesing. I personally feel that it is your problem if you can not adapt to the sitatuion and pull out the win. Many people talk about how BM something is, and in my opinion getting mad at someone for cheesing is the ultimate BM. How dare you condemn someone for playing the game as they want to play it? I personally do not cheese often, but it disgusts me when i see others BM people who cheese.

So, TL.net... whats your opinion on the matter?

Poll: How do you feel about cheesing?

Okay with it (864)
 
58%

Hate it (369)
 
25%

Dont care either way (251)
 
17%

1484 total votes

Your vote: How do you feel about cheesing?

(Vote): Okay with it
(Vote): Hate it
(Vote): Dont care either way





What a complete load of trash. If someone cheeses every game yeah blah blah it's part of the game! blah blah etc, I don't give a damn. I don't want to play 75% of my games dealing with cheese, I'd rather change builds without losing etc sometimes.

I don't BM cheese players, sometimes I'll leave without a gg if it happens a few times in a row (90% of people don't gg anyway) but it's pathetic to have posts like this defending those who just cheese every game so they can win and make themselves feel better. I think defending people who just play cheese every game is ridiculous, I'd imagine you're "I don't cheese often" translates to something like "I cheese 3/4 of my games" in truth.

But really, cut the "How dare you condemn someone" rubbish. I don't want to play vs cheese all the time, so I'll do as I please in games also, how dare you condemn me for playing the game as I want to play it?

*EDIT: Everything in the post above is also true.
Hasta La Victoria Siempre | 톤
Pking
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden142 Posts
July 18 2010 10:50 GMT
#151
I'm okay with it and hate it. Sometimes I love it.
Vxed
Profile Joined April 2007
Norway239 Posts
July 18 2010 10:51 GMT
#152
Some people find the macro game boring and set in stone, while cheese, how the enemy reacts to it and how you follow it up can lead to very varied games.

I dislike people who try to pull off greedy builds and then rage when they get cheesed. Doing some macro abusive strat which gives you an economy win if not dealt with within say 5 minutes of play is in my opinion more abusive then early pressure strategies.
Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 11:02:01
July 18 2010 10:58 GMT
#153
On July 18 2010 18:58 gdroxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 18:39 Tabbris wrote:
On July 18 2010 07:14 hp.Methos wrote:
On July 18 2010 05:45 Tabbris wrote:
Cheesing was much worst in bw than in sc2. It was like every 4 games someone would cheese. People are alot better in this game for some reason. I just remember i refused 2 cheese when playing starcraft as zerg(12 hatch all the way baby). You had to stop shit like 2 port wraith proxy gate on python..cannon rushes, bunker rushes. proxie barracks. Okey not all of those are cheeses but they were in my eyes! >: (.

The only annoying cheese in sc2 is fast marauder in tvp


not really cheese. it's not hard to defend against and it isn't all-in

Fast marader[sic] is defiently[sic] a cheese and it is hard as hell 2[sic] defend against if u[sic] 13 gate


Not really, it isn't an all-in strategy. If fast marauders doesn't work you haven't been cutting your economy badly enough (or at all) to lose the game or be too far behind to catch up. If anything it's just a very solid opening, especially in TvP.
Just because you are bad against a specific strategy doesn't make it cheese.


A cheese does not have to be allin hence the 2 diffrent words. 4 gate is a cheese but not nessarly all in. A cheese is defined as a strategy easy to execute and hard to defend

Maybe you dont know wut im talking about. You proxie the barracks and u get your gas at like 9 i guess? You defeiently cut scvs to do it
ZergTurd
Profile Joined June 2010
83 Posts
July 18 2010 11:03 GMT
#154
Cheesing is always going to be a part of the game.. nothing wrong with it unless it's a clear flaw in the game's mechanics or balance. Sure it can be annoying to lose to it, but learn to defend against it for next time.
arnold(soTa)
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden352 Posts
July 18 2010 12:31 GMT
#155
I get cheesing in tournaments, it can become queite tiresom to play a BO5 when you are the underdog sometimes..cheese one game to get your selfesteem back etc..

but like cheesing in ladder with proxy 7rax reaper is just retarded...its not bm, its retarded.
you are basiclly gambling and there is no skill involved at all. Cheesing for simple ladder points is not badmanner, its just low.

unless you are practicing a specific cheesebuild for tournaments that is.. just my opinion.
"I like turtles"
Ventez
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway107 Posts
July 18 2010 12:40 GMT
#156
I got cannon rushed a couple of days ago but this fucktard. The guy had played 150 games in around 4 days and the last 100 of them was, I kid you not, ALL cannon rushes. He did 100 games in 4 days where he only cannon rushed, for me thats fucking insane.
DwmC_Foefen
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Belgium2186 Posts
July 18 2010 12:48 GMT
#157
Cheesing people is funny Just look in this thread how much people you can annoy :p

... And I never pass up the opportunity to annoy the fuck out of people I don't know :d:d:d:d
Herculix
Profile Joined May 2010
United States946 Posts
July 18 2010 12:55 GMT
#158
it's a strategy in the game. if you lose to it, you deserved to. it isn't impossible to prevent and until i see some form of cheese that is, i'm going to assume it's my fault when ever i lose to it.
extracheez
Profile Joined January 2009
Australia151 Posts
July 18 2010 13:04 GMT
#159
The only reason I hate cheese is because its very nature is to take you off guard with little skill to execute. I find this really frustrating because generally ANY cheese is easily defended against if you have practiced against it say 5 times? That's what makes it so frustrating to play against cheese in sc2... in sc1 I had enough practice against most cheese to make a good estimation of what I needed to defend against it... however in sc2 its so easy to over or under react because the game is so new.
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
July 18 2010 17:59 GMT
#160
On July 18 2010 21:55 Herculix wrote:
it's a strategy in the game. if you lose to it, you deserved to. it isn't impossible to prevent and until i see some form of cheese that is, i'm going to assume it's my fault when ever i lose to it.


so by your logic, in bw if you opened with 12 hatch and your opponent BBS or proxygates or TvP you play standard but your opponent 12 nex on a map like collo, you deserve to lose? the good cheesers understand that on many maps their cheese gives them a very high rate of success.
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