EPTWant some cheese with that whine? [Poll] - Page 8
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ClanOverdosed
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
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gdroxor
United States639 Posts
On July 18 2010 18:39 Tabbris wrote: Fast marader[sic] is defiently[sic] a cheese and it is hard as hell 2[sic] defend against if u[sic] 13 gate Not really, it isn't an all-in strategy. If fast marauders doesn't work you haven't been cutting your economy badly enough (or at all) to lose the game or be too far behind to catch up. If anything it's just a very solid opening, especially in TvP. Just because you are bad against a specific strategy doesn't make it cheese. | ||
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Sethronu
United Kingdom450 Posts
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Dantak
Czech Republic648 Posts
I mean, the ultimate goal of playing the game is to win. To win means to destroy enemy base. That's it. There is no goal of becoming better, "not being gay" or whatever. Only thing that really matters is that you win. For me cheesing is the most fun part of the game. Why should I stick to early-mid-late game phases? Why should I play the game as others tell me to? By cheesing you are forcing yourself and your oponent to get out of their comfort zone and improvise, which often leads to most interesting games in history. I don't really want to see 200 vs 200 battles, it's all the time all the same, let's bring in awesome micro, thinking out of a box, improvisation! | ||
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DiTH
Greece116 Posts
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GrazerRinge
999 Posts
But have to admit that in VOD, it's top of cream! | ||
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Crueger
Sweden73 Posts
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Ploppytheman
United States248 Posts
The other reason is most people who cheese are BAD. They can only cheese so they do it. Almost 90% of the time I get a random I think "ah fuck a cheeser". Not only is it irritating to scout and playing PvZ w/o a FFE is generally a problem. For some reason every random player seems to cheese me. I don't know if its my luck or that there are a lot of bads, who choose random, to cheese. Its not like White-Ra who is amazing and chooses to cheese but is also capable of macro, thats respectable b/c he has skill. However I still understand how Idra feels about cheese just not as strongly, a macro game is just more rewarding and complex. I think once you get really high diamond cheesing is fine if your not random, because its less cheese and more punishing people and limiting options than LOL ZERG RUSK KEKEKEKEKEKE. Cheesing as random is BS imo b/c you can win b/c of a late scout and not be prepared for the several varieties of cheese that could happen, aka kulas ravine proxy reaper when you don't scout him for a long time. I am also pretty BM anyway but most of the time I'm just trolling for the fun of it. I don't like the taboo of BM or being angry at a loss. I'm an aggressive person IRL and being angry because you want to do better is NOT a bad thing. I've never thrown something or broken anything or punched a kitten but I BM, don't really care if people don't like it. I get mad for a sec then am like, ok so what can I do better so that baddy will lose. I find anger at faults as a good motivation. Also wtf is up with all this gl hf, gg bullshit and smily faces and shit. Fuck that. I can understand gg if they play well but who wants luck involved? I personally say BL HFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU every game. I'm tired of all this ^.^ shit, reminds me of anime. I'd rather have someone tell me go suck a fat **** than make a ^.^ at me. Maybe I should use those to troll.... hmmm.... | ||
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Tone_
United Kingdom554 Posts
On July 18 2010 05:36 SC2Pandemic wrote: Personally, I cant see why people have such harsh views against cheesing. I personally feel that it is your problem if you can not adapt to the sitatuion and pull out the win. Many people talk about how BM something is, and in my opinion getting mad at someone for cheesing is the ultimate BM. How dare you condemn someone for playing the game as they want to play it? I personally do not cheese often, but it disgusts me when i see others BM people who cheese. So, TL.net... whats your opinion on the matter? Poll: How do you feel about cheesing? Okay with it (864) Hate it (369) Dont care either way (251) 1484 total votes Your vote: How do you feel about cheesing? (Vote): Okay with it What a complete load of trash. If someone cheeses every game yeah blah blah it's part of the game! blah blah etc, I don't give a damn. I don't want to play 75% of my games dealing with cheese, I'd rather change builds without losing etc sometimes. I don't BM cheese players, sometimes I'll leave without a gg if it happens a few times in a row (90% of people don't gg anyway) but it's pathetic to have posts like this defending those who just cheese every game so they can win and make themselves feel better. I think defending people who just play cheese every game is ridiculous, I'd imagine you're "I don't cheese often" translates to something like "I cheese 3/4 of my games" in truth. But really, cut the "How dare you condemn someone" rubbish. I don't want to play vs cheese all the time, so I'll do as I please in games also, how dare you condemn me for playing the game as I want to play it? *EDIT: Everything in the post above is also true. | ||
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Pking
Sweden142 Posts
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Vxed
Norway239 Posts
I dislike people who try to pull off greedy builds and then rage when they get cheesed. Doing some macro abusive strat which gives you an economy win if not dealt with within say 5 minutes of play is in my opinion more abusive then early pressure strategies. | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On July 18 2010 18:58 gdroxor wrote: Not really, it isn't an all-in strategy. If fast marauders doesn't work you haven't been cutting your economy badly enough (or at all) to lose the game or be too far behind to catch up. If anything it's just a very solid opening, especially in TvP. Just because you are bad against a specific strategy doesn't make it cheese. A cheese does not have to be allin hence the 2 diffrent words. 4 gate is a cheese but not nessarly all in. A cheese is defined as a strategy easy to execute and hard to defend Maybe you dont know wut im talking about. You proxie the barracks and u get your gas at like 9 i guess? You defeiently cut scvs to do it | ||
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ZergTurd
83 Posts
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arnold(soTa)
Sweden352 Posts
but like cheesing in ladder with proxy 7rax reaper is just retarded...its not bm, its retarded. you are basiclly gambling and there is no skill involved at all. Cheesing for simple ladder points is not badmanner, its just low. unless you are practicing a specific cheesebuild for tournaments that is.. just my opinion. | ||
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Ventez
Norway107 Posts
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DwmC_Foefen
Belgium2186 Posts
 Just look in this thread how much people you can annoy :p... And I never pass up the opportunity to annoy the fuck out of people I don't know :d:d:d:d | ||
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Herculix
United States946 Posts
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extracheez
Australia151 Posts
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On July 18 2010 21:55 Herculix wrote: it's a strategy in the game. if you lose to it, you deserved to. it isn't impossible to prevent and until i see some form of cheese that is, i'm going to assume it's my fault when ever i lose to it. so by your logic, in bw if you opened with 12 hatch and your opponent BBS or proxygates or TvP you play standard but your opponent 12 nex on a map like collo, you deserve to lose? the good cheesers understand that on many maps their cheese gives them a very high rate of success. | ||
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