EPTOf course, if you play each game as if it's part of the match of your life, you're getting tired very fast. Now, both extremes have traps. If you don't push too much, you won't really improve from all those games. But I think for newer players it's really better to get a lot of games under the belt - bad, good, whatever. And only when most situations in the game are very familiar and not that stressful, to begin to require optimal performance each time (with gradual steps as Day[9] advises). Hope this advice helps a little. Just don't be too serious in the beginning, if you prefer to get higher number of games. Look at your whole current account as a training account.
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figq
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Of course, if you play each game as if it's part of the match of your life, you're getting tired very fast. Now, both extremes have traps. If you don't push too much, you won't really improve from all those games. But I think for newer players it's really better to get a lot of games under the belt - bad, good, whatever. And only when most situations in the game are very familiar and not that stressful, to begin to require optimal performance each time (with gradual steps as Day[9] advises). Hope this advice helps a little. Just don't be too serious in the beginning, if you prefer to get higher number of games. Look at your whole current account as a training account. | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
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KrUnch
Australia54 Posts
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RoL
United States22 Posts
On July 17 2010 14:36 Repok wrote: I think it gets to a point where it becomes natural. You don't need to 'think' too much once you've been exposed. Think of it like driving a car or even better a stick shift. At first, it is so chaotic because its just so many things that you worry/focus on. Later on, some things become natural and your mind only focuses on so many things at once. I tin Repok says it the best out of everyone - If you look at the pros, though they're nearly mechanically perfect, they get the point where they don't have to think about everything and by looking at the current situation, quickly realize what priorities are important that need to be focused on. Taking his example further, its sort of like, when I'm driving on the freeway, do i need to be watching out for stupid people suddenly running across the freeway? No, I just need to pay attention to the car in front of me and the nearest cars of the 2 lanes beside me, but if I was driving through a residential area, or near a school around 3pm, I would be more aware and on the watch for these kind of things, and likewise pay less attention to the other cars around because we're all moving so much slower. There's no way, even a pro, can think about every single detail all the time, and that's why in pro matches players are still able to slip in vultures, sneak a drop in, etc. But with proper analysis of the current situation, you can be able to pick out what priorities you should focus on. For example, if you were playing zerg and your opponent being terran or protoss has already taken his natural before you, expanding would be pretty high on your priority list. If you guys are duking it out early with tier 1 units, it wouldn't be. If its late game, and both of you have 3 bases each, making sure your nexus is continually producing probes probably wouldn't be very high on your priorities list, but in the beginning this is crucial. These are all very easy examples, but as you play more and more games, you start recognizing more complicated situations and the priorities associated with them. After realizing this, the best thing you can do, is to just take your games less seriously, I mean it's still the beta, your current rank right now doesn't really matter. Go with the flow, and if you lose, just skim over your replay, realize the priority you missed, and make a mental note of it the next time you find yourself in a similar situation. | ||
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Breach_hu
Hungary2431 Posts
On July mcneebs wrote: + Show Spoiler + I've been learning starcraft for the last few months, and I feel I have been going about it the right way, in spite of having no friends (IRL or otherwise) that play with me. I study the liquipedia, watch the streams, and every night after work I throw on the day9 daily. I do a lot of lurking on the forums and occasionally throw in my two cents. I never cry foul on balance issues, and try to develop solid techniques. When it comes to playing the game, however, I can't play for more than an hour. I can play CS, TF2, basically any FPS for hours. I've been playing them so long that it's just easy, and aim and decision making has come naturally to me. But even when I first got into playing FPS games, they never fatigued me so much as starcraft has. There have been times in large tournaments that I've felt mentally wiped after an intense match in CS 1.6, but I've never had a map change in a public server and said "wow, I need a break". After I finish playing a game of starcraft, I need to take a break. Not just to watch the replay and reflect on all my mistakes (and trust me there are a ton), but because the game just wears me out so fast. make SCVs, hows the food, rax almost finished?, remember to scan, rally points ok?, build an ebay, get that upgrade? shit i forgot that depo, okay now i'm supply blocked, throw down an expansion, damn mutas are here, pull scvs and on and on and on. I'm sure there comes a point where you just do these things without having to consciously think about them, but for me it's such an incredibly difficult process to keep up with. I commend you 200APM players who can just sit there and mass games, but I just feel that I can't ever put in 4-5 hours of starcraft. I love the game. I could watch gretorp's stream for hours. It's awesome. It's just so difficult to climb up this steep learning curve. Win or lose, gold or diamond, those dedicated to getting better through massing games have my respect. How did you get over this initial hump of being able to execute actions without consciously making every decisioin? mass gamers were BW players, which taxes you the most. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
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lololol
5198 Posts
On July 17 2010 15:05 wishbones wrote: The mind can only take so much solitude especially when you are not caged. So be free!!!!! Conclusion: If you want to mass game you should be locked in a cage while playing SC2? | ||
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Pocketokun
Canada74 Posts
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Jollyburner
Canada190 Posts
whenever im super tired i play 2v2 random ladder so i dont fk up my 1v1 rankz too bad. | ||
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SneakPeek
Philippines162 Posts
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HTX
Germany265 Posts
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
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theRiverX
Malaysia59 Posts
On July 17 2010 17:24 Fantistic wrote: I can only play up to 3 games. After that I feel like I'm too tired to learn anything so I see it as a non-rewarding waste of time. I like this though because it means I'm actually having breaks from the computer for once. That's more or less what I do. I find Sc2 mentally stressful right now. =( | ||
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TheDna
Germany577 Posts
I need sometimes DAYS to get myself to play more. I ll prolly wont be good in sc2 ever because of that fact. When i had the beta first i was like wow ok i ll play 24h in a row to get better and get an advantage, but it simply wasnt possible. I dont know why its not exactly boring for me to play it just makes me so tired to do the same macro things over and over again. The reward isnt there either i guess. I could observer good games or watch replays for hours tho. Practising works as well in custom games. Just not ladder :/ | ||
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gdroxor
United States639 Posts
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mcneebs
Canada391 Posts
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NotJack
United States737 Posts
I came from BW so it's really easy to spam games since everything is more comfortable in SC2, but when I started out in BW the only reason I could mass games from the start was because I knew my only reason for massing was to improve; Not to win 100% of my games, but to improve. If you have a good mindset and discipline in SC2, you could honestly make it to diamond league in a week. | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
On July 17 2010 17:35 theRiverX wrote: That's more or less what I do. I find Sc2 mentally stressful right now. =( It is a bit stressful right now but the more you play, the more the stress goes away. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
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TheRecliner
Sweden103 Posts
On July 17 2010 14:32 mcneebs wrote: ... I can play CS, TF2, basically any FPS for hours. I've been playing them so long that it's just easy, and aim and decision making has come naturally to me. But even when I first got into playing FPS games, they never fatigued me so much as starcraft has... I am sort of in the same place. Its not a question of Starcraft being taxing per se. Are you relaxed when practising against the AI? Starcraft 2 is outside of your natural habitat. Youve been playing FPS games for years, and you are very comfortable with them. And when you started out Im willing to bet money that you only did it for fun and sort of did not care about performance. At some point you started to, but it was not a huge deal in the beginning. Now you are playing Starcraft, and the difference is that now you want flawless performance in a game that uses completely different mechanics, You watch streams, Day9's Daily and you want to perform like that. Only thats over your level. So you focus like mad and try to be awesome when youre not quite there yet. Just take it easy and do one thing at a time. It's only the beta, man. Watch out. Dont burn out early. Learn to crawl before you run and you might enjoy this for years. | ||
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