• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:42
CEST 17:42
KST 00:42
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 2 - RO4 & Finals Results (2025)4Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy4Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week0Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer12Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson."2Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey.8Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)14
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 2 - RO4 & Finals Results (2025) Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game Rain's Behind the Scenes Storytime Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer How herO can make history in the Code S S2 finals
Tourneys
$3,500 WardiTV European League 2025 RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Semi Finals & Finals WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target
Brood War
General
ASL20 Preliminary Maps BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recent recommended BW games FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 4
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Echoes of Revolution and Separation Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 32634 users

Starcraft is so mentally taxing to me

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 Next All
mcneebs
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada391 Posts
July 17 2010 05:32 GMT
#1
I've been learning starcraft for the last few months, and I feel I have been going about it the right way, in spite of having no friends (IRL or otherwise) that play with me. I study the liquipedia, watch the streams, and every night after work I throw on the day9 daily. I do a lot of lurking on the forums and occasionally throw in my two cents. I never cry foul on balance issues, and try to develop solid techniques. When it comes to playing the game, however, I can't play for more than an hour.

I can play CS, TF2, basically any FPS for hours. I've been playing them so long that it's just easy, and aim and decision making has come naturally to me. But even when I first got into playing FPS games, they never fatigued me so much as starcraft has. There have been times in large tournaments that I've felt mentally wiped after an intense match in CS 1.6, but I've never had a map change in a public server and said "wow, I need a break".

After I finish playing a game of starcraft, I need to take a break. Not just to watch the replay and reflect on all my mistakes (and trust me there are a ton), but because the game just wears me out so fast.

make SCVs, hows the food, rax almost finished?, remember to scan, rally points ok?, build an ebay, get that upgrade? shit i forgot that depo, okay now i'm supply blocked, throw down an expansion, damn mutas are here, pull scvs and on and on and on.

I'm sure there comes a point where you just do these things without having to consciously think about them, but for me it's such an incredibly difficult process to keep up with. I commend you 200APM players who can just sit there and mass games, but I just feel that I can't ever put in 4-5 hours of starcraft. I love the game. I could watch gretorp's stream for hours. It's awesome. It's just so difficult to climb up this steep learning curve.

Win or lose, gold or diamond, those dedicated to getting better through massing games have my respect. How did you get over this initial hump of being able to execute actions without consciously making every decisioin?

You do it to yourself. Just you. You and no one else.
Zombo Joe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada850 Posts
July 17 2010 05:35 GMT
#2
I am in the exact same position as you right now.

I have never played a game that takes such a toll on me.

Now I see why Husky didn't play and do any commentaries when he was sick.
I am Terranfying.
hellsan631
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States695 Posts
July 17 2010 05:35 GMT
#3
I am that way too. but the thing is, thats with ladder only for me.

try getting a practice partner or something.

That way, you can discuss games and with someone you can relate to.

it helps alot as well, if you go into vent/skype/ts with them and just bs the whole time.

i can't play more then 3 or so ladder games without needing to take a break. But i can easily mass 100 games with people i can relate to.
spiderface
Profile Joined May 2010
United States74 Posts
July 17 2010 05:35 GMT
#4
I logged on the other day and played one practice game with my buddy. While it was the best game I've had in all of beta, I haven't been able to play since because the game was so long and tiring.
TheAngelofDeath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2033 Posts
July 17 2010 05:36 GMT
#5
I just play a lot. The game is always mentally taxing IMO, it's just a matter of how much stress you can handle. Eventually all the things that drive your brain into hyper-drive will become 2nd nature, and won't be as big of a deal on your brain. So just play, a lot.
"Infestors are the suck" - LzGamer
EZjijy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1039 Posts
July 17 2010 05:36 GMT
#6
I think it gets to a point where it becomes natural. You don't need to 'think' too much once you've been exposed. Think of it like driving a car or even better a stick shift. At first, it is so chaotic because its just so many things that you worry/focus on. Later on, some things become natural and your mind only focuses on so many things at once.
Polar_Nada
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1548 Posts
July 17 2010 05:37 GMT
#7
i usually only need a break when i just played an intense game which is 30 minutes or longer.
[ReD]NaDa and fnaticMSI.SEn fighting~! ::POlar @ UC Irvine::
Dr.Smoke
Profile Joined July 2010
United States64 Posts
July 17 2010 05:42 GMT
#8
I know exactly what you mean, and its a damn strange change to me. I've been playing videogames in whatever form for over 20 years. Sitting down and playing something for 12+ hours at least once a week is nothing unusual to me. I have played all the games you mention above and many others, but nothing has ever fatigued me like SC.

The only solution I have found is to force "One more game" every time I get "that feeling".

If one game knocks you out, push forward and play that second.
chonks
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada13 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 05:44:21
July 17 2010 05:42 GMT
#9
I think it's the high stakes and the longer games/1on1 nature of the game in relation to FPS games.
I'm in the same boat, I am a hardcore TF2 player and playing SC2 I get all sweaty and when it's finished no matter if I won or not I can't play anymore and go back to playing TF2.
In TF2 when you lose you just respawn 10 seconds later and get right back to it, my mind also tends to go crazy when I play, thinking vigorously and I feel extremely overwhelmed nearing the endgame; It`s become enough that I haven`t even picked the game back up since the beta went down before.
AND WHY DOES PLAYING SC2 MAKE ME HAVE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM SO BAD, JESUS.
Butigroove
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Seychelles2061 Posts
July 17 2010 05:46 GMT
#10
Haha compared to broodwar, SC2 is like a relaxing vacation to me.

My first game of bw when beta was down I was so sad afterwards because it was sooo hard. Idle drones everywhere.

Eventually I got used to it, and now SC2 seems easy again.
beach beers buds beezies b-b-b-baaanelings
javy_
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1677 Posts
July 17 2010 05:47 GMT
#11
I know what you mean. I used to play a lot of CS1.6 and would scrim for hours upon hours but it's very hard for me to play SC2 games back-to-back.
♪~( ̄。 ̄)
ImSkeptical
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia51 Posts
July 17 2010 05:48 GMT
#12
From day9 and gretorp, having small goals not directly about winning, such as these few games im not going to get supply capped, or have my creep expanded to my 3rd before i expand there. Also dedicating a certain specific amount of time to starcraft, and leaving it unambiguous, such as from 3-6 im going to play starcraft solidly, save all the replays and watch them all at a 8-9.
EG is a great example
ToFu.
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
331 Posts
July 17 2010 05:49 GMT
#13
it's prolly b/c most other games that you play are for casuals.

BW and even WC3 players won't feel that SC2 requires more effort (in fact it's usually less)
just like i get dizzy watching my friend play FPS at crazy high sensitivity, your mind prolly can't handle all the multitasking yet.
Constipation Zerg Fighting!
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
July 17 2010 05:50 GMT
#14
you have to learn to really enjoy the stress and the mental challenges. its hard i know but once you do, its magical, addictive and richly rewarding.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
July 17 2010 05:54 GMT
#15
SC2 is actually really easy in comparison to brood war. Generally, in the SC1, I had over 4000 mins and gas regularly in late game because I couldn't macro well. I rarely go above 1500 in SC2 late game.
purerythem
Profile Joined June 2009
United States245 Posts
July 17 2010 05:54 GMT
#16
100% agree with the OP. I've come from a huge FPS background as well, and like the OP, I can play those for hours. But one intense game of SC, and I literally walk out of my room, shut the light off, and go downstairs. Usually I don't even turn on the tv. I relax by playing with my puppy outside, but the mental fatigue sc does to me is insane. I'm not sure if its just more time playing, but I've never played a game that physically tires me out.
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
July 17 2010 05:57 GMT
#17
it hard for me to start a session but once i do i usually play for 25+ games in a row.
Cytokinesis
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada330 Posts
July 17 2010 05:58 GMT
#18
It's because of the one on one environment. A lot of "competitive" gamers aren't used to it. I use quotes because many consider them such, but haven't really done anything on a personal level. It's one thing to take full responsibility for EVERYTHING. Where as you're playing CS and some douche blocks you and you get destroyed, it's easy to look past what you did. It's the intimate one on one environment that gets you, probably.
Ive seen people who dont believe in sleep count sheep with calculators that double as alarm clocks
sevia
Profile Joined May 2010
United States954 Posts
July 17 2010 05:59 GMT
#19
I think it's the 1v1 aspect, the razor-sharp competitive nature of the game. 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, even FFA are all very relaxed and fun. Why? Well, you're not judged in any way, if you lose it's not necessarily your fault, you have teammates to fall back on if you mess up, etc. But in 1v1, if you screw up, it's because *you screwed up*. In a finely balanced game like Starcraft, losing means that the other guy is better than you in some way. He outsmarted you, or had better reflexes, or had a more solid plan going into the game.

The game is easy to understand when you're on the outside looking in. Watching dailies and streams makes it seem so easy and intuitive. But when you're actually in the game, head to head with an equally skilled opponent that could run you over if you so much as hit the wrong hotkey, the pressure can be too much to handle.
최지성 Bomber || 김동환 viOLet || 고병재 GuMiho
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
July 17 2010 06:00 GMT
#20
I definitely need a break after about 5 games.
#1 Kwanro Fan
1 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 18m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko566
mouzHeroMarine 286
ProTech69
RushiSC 30
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 6115
Rain 5672
Horang2 2012
Stork 668
Mini 505
EffOrt 414
BeSt 255
Rush 230
GuemChi 215
actioN 136
[ Show more ]
PianO 130
Mong 111
sSak 102
Hyun 96
Snow 90
Sharp 83
ToSsGirL 80
Trikslyr54
Movie 47
Terrorterran 38
Shine 25
zelot 21
soO 20
HiyA 12
Dota 2
Gorgc8369
qojqva2352
syndereN258
Fuzer 248
XcaliburYe212
Counter-Strike
markeloff192
edward117
Other Games
tarik_tv3263
singsing1797
B2W.Neo1461
hiko1226
gofns694
crisheroes451
C9.Mang0388
elazer288
KnowMe234
ArmadaUGS133
Mew2King74
QueenE55
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream8686
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 9
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2536
• WagamamaTV311
League of Legends
• Nemesis16372
• Jankos3450
• TFBlade1237
Other Games
• Shiphtur97
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Qualifier
18m
PiGosaur Monday
8h 18m
RSL Revival
18h 18m
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
1d 8h
The PondCast
1d 18h
RSL Revival
1d 18h
Harstem vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
SC Evo League
3 days
[ Show More ]
Circuito Brasileiro de…
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #3 - GSC
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
BLAST Open Fall 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.