EPTStarcraft is so mentally taxing to me - Page 2
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
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thezergk
United States492 Posts
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LooseMoose
United States184 Posts
I think a lot of it has to do with the pressure of the losses. In a lot of other RTS games you're able to make multiple accounts... so you can have a practice account and a main account and stuff like that where you just sit on practice accounts for days grinding out games not caring if you lose a lot. SC2 is going to change this... having 1 account and having to pay money for another is going to really cause a lot of people to be conservative with their gaming at first I think. But once you start playing a lot you'll feel a lot better and it won't be so taxing... every button you push will eventually end up being 2nd nature. | ||
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LokitAK
Japan90 Posts
I picked up Starcraft and they all became INCREDIBLY easy. Never have I done something so ridiculously taxing. I usually have to stop after 5-10 games, either because I'm tired, or because if I lose one more time I might go off on some killing rampage. | ||
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brinbran
United States52 Posts
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
On July 17 2010 14:32 mcneebs wrote: Win or lose, gold or diamond, those dedicated to getting better through massing games have my respect. How did you get over this initial hump of being able to execute actions without consciously making every decisioin? I get everything up to this point, can you be more specific as to whether your asking how does one mass game, or how did I get my APM high and not have to spam it. (aka: its a natural part of play) EDIT: Ok so after sifting through all the posts, I've come to conclude what it was that you meant exactly. Heres my response. Part of why you may be getting tired or what I call the "no-longer-interested" syndrome can be due to the lack of chat channels, and clans. With a clan on SC:BW I've always felt like there was something to due, someone to talk to, whether it be playing with them or observing them, and I always had a separate friends list. (aka: iCCup system). This "N-L-I" can also be caused because it is boring to have to mass game using the Ladder system in order to be sure of a half decent to equal game. On BW, anyone can create a game and call it "1vs1 Metal Play/Obs" and soon after you will have all of the observer slots filled as well as player slots. In these games however noobs would rather watch, and the better players are playing, so you still get that competitive edge. Even if it was noobs playing, you would still have fun, because the better players would just leave and the rest would have fun watching and chit chatting. This always created a very fun to be around environment on battle.net. Before SC2 came out, I was literally always playing BW. Even when I got bored I could still play, now that Battle.net 2.0 has come out I believe it has stripped a lot of the things that gave people that motivation to mass game. For instance on BW you can use the Ladder system, and if ever you got bored, you would just have to create a "1vs1 Metal Play/Obs" game. With this you would just watch anyone play, or /stats the players for the best possible records and let them play instead, or you could play and let others observe you. There used to be so many possibilities. So keep in mind while I say all of this, that SC2 is still in the beta stage. One last note, and that is my second reason as to why I think you may not be able to play as much as you want. With age, gaming can become boring. I find myself not being able to mass game anything anymore. So I think eventually age just catches up with you and starts making things too boring when you are stuck alone for too long. The mind can only take so much solitude especially when you are not caged. So be free!!!!! | ||
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Malgrif
Canada1095 Posts
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Bartiemus
New Zealand84 Posts
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Coil
Argentina119 Posts
That means that normally i cannot play more than 2 o 3 games in a row without alt-f4ing angry at myself, but somehow i enjoy it, and open the game 5 minutes later LOL. :/ | ||
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
Yeah, when you don't have basic macro as second nature yet it's very tough to maintain your stamina. It's much less intense than it used to be for me (sc2 is also less intense than bw because the mechanics are easier), but I still don't usually play more than 3 games in a row without some down time. | ||
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Skvid
Lithuania751 Posts
Its so mentally taxing, and the adrenaline... and getting pissed that you cant do things as fast as your mind wants to. I just MUST take a break for all that to subside and wore out because i dont like the thought of starting a new game instantly while being in such state. And the worst part is that i love this game, but i cant make myself play it as much as i would want to. I think its the whole 100% focus that effects me so hard, if somebody walks into a room and asks me a question when im in the middle of the match i literally am unable to process what they are saying. Even after an easy win i feel tired because my focus is still the same. I feel handicapped :| | ||
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xorpwnz
United States185 Posts
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
On July 17 2010 15:18 Skvid wrote: and getting pissed that you cant do things as fast as your mind wants to. This is one of the few things I hated about bw. I've probably watched over 10,000 reps and knew my strategy inside and out but never had mechanics to back it up. Nothing is more frustrating than knowing what you need to do but having sloppy hands that can't execute it well. On July 17 2010 15:25 xorpwnz wrote: I'm experiencing the same thing and I can usually only do about 4 or 5 games of 1v1 before I switch to 2v2 or 3v3 for a while because those are usually much more relaxed. I would like to re-ask the OP's last question: How did you get over this initial hump of being able to execute actions without consciously making every decisioin? I have only played about 30 1v1 games and it is getting a little easier I think. Just play more and train yourself to use every shortcut you can. Ex) use b+e to make an extractor instead of clicking, try to use the numerical hotkeys for everything you possibly can. Sc2 is a lot easier to break into than bw both because the mechanics are so much easier and the auto-matchmaking system is great. Nothing was more discouraging than searching for 10 minutes for a match at your level on iccup and then find out you're playing a guy on his way to A-. | ||
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Opti
United States155 Posts
Only thing i can compare it to is playing guitar, and shredding on some crazy solo/lead work. After a while your brain just sort of "gets it" and you do alot of things automatically, becomes second nature. Just like learning guitar though, it takes a while to get to that point, but its all jsut repetition and going over your mistakes and trying to correct them. If you can look at your games (especially losses) with a clear head, identify your mistakes and proactively try to correct them you will become a great player very quickly. And when i say very quickly, i mean a few months or so. Keep in mind, there are alot of people who played SC for 10 years or so, and are now playing SC2. You just can't compare that kind of experience and reflexes/mental conditioning to someone whos very new to it. Just keep at it and try to have fun with it. | ||
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Ploppytheman
United States248 Posts
Lets take a look at 5x5 Squats and 20 rep squats. You do 5 reps and take a 1-5min break depending on how heavy you are lifting. I can squat 300lbs for 5x5 over the course of a little under 30min. However when I stalled and tried a new program to break me out of that, 20 rep squats I only started with 225lbs. It took maybe 1.5-2.5 minutes (can't remember its so intense) but since I didn't stop even that light weight I was dead after. My legs were like jello, I was out of breath for 15minutes, and I got really sore. Starcraft is the 20rep squats of videogames and thats what it does to your mind (providing you are pushing yourself). Personally I can only play my best for a few hours and then I need a rest. Overtime you obviously develop less fatigue through efficiency but your brain also gets stronger for these tasks. Thats my take on it anyway :D | ||
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David Dark
Poland100 Posts
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
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darklordjac
Canada2231 Posts
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Azile
United States339 Posts
It's just a game. The best way to improve is to mass games and practice good technique while watching your replays to note mistakes. You can't mass games if you get pissed off every time you lose, this part is still hard for me because being very competitive I hate losing. But early on if you're new to the RTS scene or SC in general you really don't have to focus on doing EVERYTHING at perfectly at the same time. You'll go batshit crazy trying to do that. Focus on the little things first, basics such as "are my minerals and gas low? If not what do I need to improve that?". Little things like that become second nature and you can move on to bigger things. Watching Day9 and Husky analysis really helps a lot with that for me. If you try to think about everything at once you'll end up with an aneurysm. The key is to think about a few things over and over and over until they become second nature then add more gradually. | ||
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ganjazerg
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