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ejac
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1195 Posts
May 24 2010 18:47 GMT
#41
I personally don't see a problem with them as long as there are no macro functions.
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Nutshell
Profile Joined March 2010
United States41 Posts
May 24 2010 18:58 GMT
#42
On May 25 2010 03:03 LeX- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2010 00:13 MovieDude wrote:
I am hoping someone on this forum can please help me. I have been searching quite a bit for information on using the G-13 w/ Starcraft 2 and have found very little information.

I am positive I can obtain the results I am looking for w/ scripting, but i am not a programmer and this seems to be a bit above my head. If someone can lend me some assistance on the following issues, I would greatly appreciate it!

A) Opener Script : I would like this script to perform the following actions in the start of a game if possible:

0) Select a probe and press "Control+3" to assign to hotkey 3.
1) Select ALL probes and right click on middle mineral patch to begin mining.
2) Select Nexus and press "E" to build my first probe.
3) Select the Nexus and set the middle mineral patch as the rally point.
4) Select the Nexus and press "Control+0" to assign Nexus as hotkey "0".
5) Press "Control+F5" to set the current camera view to my main base.

(I always play as Protoss, so switching to different configurations for different races is NOT an issue for me. This is a pain in the a$$ to do at the beginning of EVERY game and would love to SCRIPT it.)

B) Build Gateway (Or other Building) & Assign Hotkey

1a) Press "3" to select probe hot-keyed from above script.
1b) Or alternately just use the probe currently selected
2) Press "B" then "G" to build a gateway and let me click to select position.
3) Select the new gateway & assign hotkey by pressing "control+9"

(I would like to be able to modify this script code to make other buildings as well and assign a different hotkey to each. For instance I may want to build a Cybercore "C" and assign it to "7". Of course each script will be attached to a separate GXX button on the G13.)

These two things would really help me out quite a bit. Thank you for taking the time to read my message, and no flames please. I simply want to make the gaming experience more pleasurable for myself by reducing repetitive keyboard presses every single game. I am not a professional and do not compete...


No one here will script this for you.

When the game comes out, hopefully all of this will be blocked for ladder play/online play.
How do you expect a script to know where the middle mineral patch is, or any mineral patch for that matter? It changes based on map and position... but ya know blizzard really has to ban this sort of macroing!
mcht
Profile Joined December 2009
Germany201 Posts
May 24 2010 19:18 GMT
#43
i see two problems with custom input devices
first because the developers didnt take it into consideration it can create imbalances in the game even if both players are using it
second if its gonna give u an advantage u pretty much have to buy it
(think of the best custom input device as plugging your brain to the pc)
dunno if your pad applies to any of this
Nakas
Profile Joined May 2010
United States148 Posts
May 25 2010 01:18 GMT
#44
It's a pretty blurry line between a "keyboard" and a "gamepad". What exactly is the distinction? The number of keys? I'm sure most of us aren't using standard 101 key keyboards anymore, I know mine has a few extra keys. Why should these extra keys be ok but the extra buttons on a gamepad not be? Is it the ability to perform macros? I'm sure you could find a keyboard that can do that, and a gamepad that can't.
MovieDude
Profile Joined May 2010
7 Posts
May 25 2010 01:42 GMT
#45
My Logitech mouse can perform macros based on button presses. This is the exact same thing on a smaller scale, and much more common these days. Like you said, a gamepad is really just a simplified keyboard. The way a laptop KB has less keys than a full 101 KB on a desktop PC. the gamepad is just more specialized for quick and precise movements...
SzaszaG
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary120 Posts
May 25 2010 18:33 GMT
#46
Through the first 100 Votes, the Poll was showing a tendency like this:

60% of the people would not allow using GamePads at Tournaments at all !

40% of the people would allow using GamePads at Tournaments !

-------- (20% of them even with Macros, and 20% without Macros) --------
ilnp
Profile Joined December 2002
Iceland1330 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-25 19:04:18
May 25 2010 19:03 GMT
#47
more pics of your gamepad plz

the lego one
8===D~~
SzaszaG
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary120 Posts
May 25 2010 19:59 GMT
#48
Okay =) Tonight I'm only gonna watch the MLG matches: Qxc vs. HuK ! But tomorrow I will put up some more pics about my HomeMade ex-GamePad ! =)
SzaszaG
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary120 Posts
May 26 2010 15:38 GMT
#49
On May 26 2010 04:03 ilnp wrote:
more pics of your gamepad plz
the lego one

Well here are some more pictures about my HomeMade ex-GamePad, made from Technic Lego ! =)

http://picturepush.com/public/3512936
http://picturepush.com/public/3512950
http://picturepush.com/public/3512953
http://picturepush.com/public/3512958
http://picturepush.com/public/3512964
http://picturepush.com/public/3512969
http://picturepush.com/public/3512972
http://picturepush.com/public/3512975
http://picturepush.com/public/3512979
http://picturepush.com/public/3512981
http://picturepush.com/public/3512983
http://picturepush.com/public/3512986
http://picturepush.com/public/3512988
MovieDude
Profile Joined May 2010
7 Posts
May 26 2010 17:16 GMT
#50
That's awesome!!
SichuanPanda
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1542 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-26 17:25:41
May 26 2010 17:21 GMT
#51
I voted keyboards, there has to be some kind of standard rules to keep all players 'even' before the game starts. One player who can afford a gamepad facing one who can't would have an unfair advantage. Of course there is the fact to consider that one could use a gamepad in an online tournament and no one would know about it.

I think using mouse macros to put a couple of commands on should be allowed at the players preference as unless you have the Razer Naga I doubt putting a-move and perhaps space bar (jump to last unit/structure/upgrade) would make the given player perform that much faster, it would just be at their preference if they prefer some commands on the mouse.

A full-out gamepad like the Belkin Nostramo however, no I do not think those should be permitted.

And for anyone who is interested here's what I did in WoW (keyboard).

1,2,3,4,R,T,Y,F,G,H,V,B,N as spell/action bar hotkeys (class Mage)
All the commands such as 'C' to open character, 'B' to open bag and so on bound to Numpad
QWEASD for moving/side-stepping, ZXC unbound and used as necessary.
i-bonjwa
SzaszaG
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary120 Posts
May 26 2010 18:52 GMT
#52
Thanks for the nice words =)

This topic showed me, that there are much more Variations between Keyboards, Mouses and Gamepads too. I share with you the categories, I could came up with untill now. Let me now if there is something I forgot about.

Keys:
1) Simple 101key Keyboard
2) Keyboards with Bindable extra buttons
3) Keyboards with Macro buttons
4) Gamepads/Gameboards with Bindable and also Macro ready buttons

Mouses:
1) Simple 2 button Mouse
2) Mouses with Bindable extra buttons
3) Mouses with Macro buttons
4) Maybe some electronic Pens or Touchpads, but I don't really know much about these things yet

(Personally I use the 4-1 variation)
SzaszaG
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary120 Posts
June 04 2010 17:25 GMT
#53
(Weekly refresh - Try to keep the Poll & Topic up to date)
SzaszaG
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary120 Posts
July 04 2010 14:34 GMT
#54
I've just realized, that the F5,F6,F7,F8 keys are doing the same like F2,F3,F4 did in SC1. So there are 4 more keys to handle during the game.

PS: I hope that the Beta will come back on the next week ! =)
Nyx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Rwanda460 Posts
July 04 2010 14:38 GMT
#55

On May 24 2010 04:50 charlie420247 wrote:
i think alot of people need thier account banned for doing this. has it is right now starcraft players are horribly imba!!!!


If not troll, strategy is far more important than any benefit this would give anyway.

We're talking about tournament level, where the skill difference between players is much lower and every edge they can find counts.

k!llua
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia895 Posts
July 04 2010 14:58 GMT
#56
From an admin's perspective, this should be banned.

If several people bring gamepads to a tournament, admins have to go through and check each binding. That's an absolute nightmare for local events, and potentially international LAN comps too.

From a player's perspective, it's only fair if everyone has the same access to the macros. Everyone has access to a keyboard and mouse, but gamepads or expensive keyboards or mice with in-built macros? Not necessarily.

And while they seem useless now, there is always the chance someone will find a way to make them extremely useful.

So yeh, ban it.
my hair is a wookie, your argument is invalid
Mr.Pyro
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Denmark959 Posts
July 04 2010 15:12 GMT
#57
On May 23 2010 21:20 SzaszaG wrote:
Pictures of my HomeMade GamePad are attached to the original post now !
Naf I see you live in Denmark, so please message me, if you know some jobs at the LEGO company for a graduating engineer. =)


Because every dane has a connection to lego? Wtf?
P⊧[1]<a>[2]<a>[3]<a>tt | P ≝ 1.a.2.a.3.a.P
SzaszaG
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary120 Posts
July 04 2010 15:16 GMT
#58
On July 05 2010 00:12 MaD.pYrO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 21:20 SzaszaG wrote:
Pictures of my HomeMade GamePad are attached to the original post now !
Naf I see you live in Denmark, so please message me, if you know some jobs at the LEGO company for a graduating engineer. =)


Because every dane has a connection to lego? Wtf?


Excuse me, if I had hurt you with this. I was in the weeks of Graduating, so I meant it like a joke, and not an Offense ! =)
Bob300
Profile Joined April 2010
United States505 Posts
July 04 2010 15:33 GMT
#59
I don't like the idea of the macro capability even being there. People could lie and still use the macro keys, for more than 1 key.
NYC Suburbs --- College Freshman --- Season 1 - Drone Whiskey
cloudJR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States266 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-04 16:17:51
July 04 2010 16:08 GMT
#60
On July 04 2010 23:58 k!llua wrote:
From an admin's perspective, this should be banned.

If several people bring gamepads to a tournament, admins have to go through and check each binding. That's an absolute nightmare for local events, and potentially international LAN comps too.

From a player's perspective, it's only fair if everyone has the same access to the macros. Everyone has access to a keyboard and mouse, but gamepads or expensive keyboards or mice with in-built macros? Not necessarily.

And while they seem useless now, there is always the chance someone will find a way to make them extremely useful.

So yeh, ban it.


You know I had the same views, but then again admins really wouldn't need to check every single keystroke for "illegal macros" pre-match. Most of the time there are people viewing the players actually playing and if someone notices that 1 button does several things they should be disqualified. I personally use a customizable keyboard that I have changed the key positioning for every race just so it's easier for me to remember (ie D produces probes, drones, and scvs). Now I'm far from being at a competitive level, but I would be really upset if I couldn't use my keyboard because others want to cheat. Then again I guess you could argue I'm handicapping myself by doing that lol
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